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Karry:
There was a second movie a while back, and it was pretty bad.

As for the games - do you honestly think that without the games there would still be a movie ? I dont think so. Thats exactly the warped mentality of movie producers of this century.

aoanla:
Actually, of course, the AvP movie started out (before the FPS games, by the way - but not before the console games which started just after the comics) as an attempt to adapt the generally excellent Aliens vs Predator comic. Along the way, as with all scripts in Hollywood, it went through major changes (the earliest leaked script I've seen had already moved the action to a jungle setting, rather than the desert/prairie of the comic), ending up in the significantly dumbed-down, and totally different AvP film that we actually got. This entire process took something like a decade+ (the comic was released in the early 90s, and the film seems to have entered script writing somewhere in the mid 90s...).

Coming back to the original discussion - I fully support the idea of a randomly occurring Predator (guaranteed in any given game, but randomly located), but it does seem a little unfair to let people use its equipment. (That said, there is at least movie-canon for the throwing disk being human-useable...)

Daqin:

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I wonder who the hell knows how it did come out ? Only thing you can do is to see the movie, and I think it is pointless to think about origins in this way especialy if they don't seem to have much connection to what we assume may be. Just look at movies alone and what's there. That makes whole picture and makes sense (movie is not about director and why, where things come from -in paper RPG games it is called meta gaming and thinking -you play character as if it knows is playing game and knows the rules.. instead of beeing in game world).

aoanla:

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I wonder who the hell knows how it did come out ? Only thing you can do is to see the movie, and I think it is pointless to think about origins in this way especialy if they don't seem to have much connection to what we assume may be. Just look at movies alone and what's there. That makes whole picture and makes sense (movie is not about director and why, where things come from -in paper RPG games it is called meta gaming and thinking -you play character as if it knows is playing game and knows the rules.. instead of beeing in game world).

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Except, of course, that there's evidence that 20th Century Fox consider at least some of the comics to be canonical, and the makers of the second AvP film (Requiem, out now) have noted in interviews that they consider some of the plot lines to be influenced by the FPS games. So, we should consider canon to be whatever seems to work (an example of why you can't "just look at movies alone" is given by the case of the Highlander films and TV show. Even though Highlander 2 was considered canon when it was released, the subsequent films (and the TV show) have all considered it to not be canon. This suggests that canon is somewhat more complex than you suggest.)
Also, the AvP original film doesn't make much sense in the canon of the Aliens films, although it does somewhat agree with the Predator films...

Cyber Killer:
AVP as a general idea is a mistake IMHO. the Alien movies were great, the Predator movies also, but as with most crossovers it worked out only to a small degree.

Besides AliensRL is set in time somewhere around Alien 2 ("Aliens") and there is no guarantee that the Predator race still exists. Anyway it would spoil the great feel of the game.

BTW: Speaking of games with Aliens: Alien Quake TC was a far better FPS than any part of AvP :-P.

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