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[Vestin]

About savescumming -this REALLY shows the skill of the player, it's only a prevention of YASD.

It's all about the "S" in YASDs. You show skills by avoiding them and adjusting to whatever you get on the next level. That shows that you can handle (almost) ANYTHING that waits for you out there. Reloading a save only shows that there is ONE situation on that level that you can deal with.

About cheating - it's REALLY FUN.

Subjective. I think of it as repulsive.

You didn't take that score seriously, didn't you?

I just said that there is no need for a protection.

I've cheatet for only purpose - to post a topic(which is right now not posted). I wan't to make a solution of "How to beat the N!".

That's research. Seems to fit more into the "Discussion" subforum and should doesn't make a single mortem helpful - it should rather be filled with your thoughts and/or stats you got from the game.
The stats, BTW, more fit the Wiki than the forums.

(...) Cheating is created not for wininng the game, it's for having real FUN!

It's like cheating on your wife. It might be fun, but it's wrong and not something you want to talk about in public ;P.
Just a thought...

[ZZ]

And what about really making it. I konow how to do this. And about savescuming - it shows the skill, but is much below the score. Whenn I was savescumming,I have been killed on lvl  appr. 8 17 21 22 23 24( now I can beat them).
And about N!, I'm not sure about all of material, I want people to post their thought on topic.

[Titt]

Savescumming and various other ways of cheating can be pretty important for playtesting the game and making sure everything works properly, but part of the point of a roguelike is that the balance and pace of the game is very particular and carefully designed; in my experience, any degree of cheating throws off the balance and pace, and makes the game completely unfun (for me, at least).

[ZZ]

For you of course! Not for me. When you're cheating you MUST forget all of the basic rules and do your own. Like "demons can only be killed by themselves" or any other crazy thing. I've ompleted the wall with using only 1 phase devise(I mean without rockets). If you should think about just winning the game with cheatinng, you sould remember that "every foll could win the game with cheats". It's fun when YOU make it fun. This is the rule to cheat in ALL games.
PS: And should I post a Global Highscore topic(another), on which not the discussion, but scores will be?

[Thomas]

Eh, scumming is horrible. Especially when I can already do silly challenges like shotgun-only games without scumming.

Well, I did scum my full win, but only level 24. I did level 1-23 without saving and I didn't save before the final boss.

Also wait a second, how did ZZ scum N!? There's supposed to be no saving on N! and if that got changed in some version then I demand it gets changed back in 0.9.9 BETA 1.

[ParaSait]

Maybe he used that DoomRL trainer ;P

[ZZ]

Hey, people, I've didn't savescum on N!, i've been walking with 570% of HP!

[Thomas]

Oh... (Also I did check and thank god, saving still doesn't work in N!)

Well that's even worse than scumming then.

* Thomas coughs awkwardly.

[ZZ]

The worsest thing I can do - make ammo in weapon do not go down and you can shot from your BFG as many times as you want. Men, im a PRO cheater and I could cheat in almost EVERY game. And I've told you - that was for posting the topic here in forum!
AND ABOUT GLOBAL HIGHSCORES!!! Maybe we could remove our cheating discussion to CHeating section and here dtscuss only Global HIghscores.

[Vestin]

AND ABOUT GLOBAL HIGHSCORES!!! Maybe we could remove our cheating discussion to CHeating section and here dtscuss only Global HIghscores.

Feeling guilty... or just uneasy ;) ?

[ZZ]

I'm feeling that I could do something for forum and I really want to know my rating(not cheating of course). I don't know how I'm playing.I don't feel guilty for cheating! I want here place for real GlobalScores not for cheating
And if you want me to do such thing like GS I could do it on 1 december, not before.

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

And if you want me to do such thing like GS I could do it on 1 december, not before.

Should I understand that as a offer of help for implementing the web-side of the GS? :)

[skarczew]

About savescumming -this REALLY shows the skill of the player (...)
Cheating is created not for wininng the game, it's for having real FUN! (...)

You are wrong.
Cheating in real game (not testing) is for losers and braggers. Everyone can win with cheating, but only skilled player can win without cheating.

You may have fun, but you also steal fun from the people that truly deserve it.

[ZZ]

I'm skilled cheater. Savescumming is not that kind of cheating with whoch could anybody win with. And I've said - cheating it's not desined to win - it's for having fun.

[skarczew]

And I've said - cheating it's not desined to win - it's for having fun.

Following your way of thinking - why don't you make a cheat that will kill you every time you reach level 5 in DoomRL, for example ? :D
You cheat, you have fun - and you do not influence other people ;) .