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[Sachiko]

Indeed! Shotguns are awesome as they are! Making them stronger from far away is also not being faithful to the modus operandi of a shotgun. You must understand that a single square of distance in DOOMRL could be, like, half a metre? in reality, more or less. At that distance, the munitions of a shotgun shell disperse, making them hit a wider area, but also making them less effective. The very point of a shotgun is shooting from quasi-point-blank or you're doing it wrong.

[ultimate26]

wanted to prove a point and i did a game of hurt me plenty...
everything was allright till i started picking up bunch of 10mm ammo, and didnt notice there was lava underneath, wich killed me....

real real cheapass way of dying eh?

but guess what i beated the wall with only my plasma rifle.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Timo Viitanen, level 10 Former Human Corporal, committed a stupid suicide
 on level 19 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 116450 turns and scored 94004 points.
 He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.

 He killed 522 out of 522 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!


 He saved himself once.

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -5/50   Experience 41156/10
  ToHit +6  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse        (Level 1)
    Son of a bitch (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 3)
    Intuition      (Level 3)

  EE->EE->SoB->SoB->SoB->EE->Int->Int->Int->Fin->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Gothic Armor [7/7] (182%)
    [ Weapon     ]   modified chaingun (1d7)x5 [50/50] (D1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [2/2] (70%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified plasma rifle (1d9)x8 [40/40] (D1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] advanced rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1] (R1S2)
    modified plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [52/52] (M1)
    [c] modified BFG 9000 (11d8) [100/100] (D1)
    [d] modified red armor [4/4] (128%) (D)
    [e] Baron Armor [6/6] (60%)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x140)
    10mm ammo (x25)
    [j] rocket (x14)
    [k] power cell (x19)
    [l] power cell (x70)
    [m] power cell (x70)
    [n] power cell (x70)
   

• power cell (x70)

[p] power cell (x70)
    [q] large med-pack
    [r] large med-pack
    large med-pack
    [t] phase device
    envirosuit pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    55 former humans
    77 former sergeants
    27 former captains
    90 imps
    40 demons
    70 lost souls
    22 cacodemons
    26 barons of hell
    15 hell knights
    17 arachnotrons
    7 former commandos
    9 pain elementals
    7 arch-viles
    2 mancubi
    5 revenants

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 9 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 16 he found the Gothic Armor!
  On level 18 he found the Phaseshift Armor!
  On level 19 he found the Baron Armor!
  On level 19 he finally committed a stupid suicide.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You fully unload the chaingun. There is a chaingun (1d6)x5 [0/50] lying here.
 There is shotgun shell (x30) lying here.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the former captain. The missile
 hits the former captain. The former captain dies. You feel
 relatively safe now. Boom! Boom! Boom! There is shotgun shell (x30) lying
 here.
 You reload the chaingun with 10mm ammo. There is shotgun shell (x30) lying
 here.
 There is 10mm ammo (x100) lying here.
 You found 100 of 10mm ammo.
 There is 10mm ammo (x100) lying here.
 You found 100 of 10mm ammo.
 There is a chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50] lying here.
 Argh!!! Lava! There is 10mm ammo (x100) lying here.
 You found 100 of 10mm ammo. Argh!!! Lava!

[Errant]

UNRELATED, NEW IDEA ENTIRELY:

Hey, we have a rapidfire build (SoB, TaN and EE)
A shotgun build (SM, HR and Fin)
A melee build (Bru, Bsk and HR)
And even a gosh darned pistol build (SoG, DG and Fin)
So where's the rocket launcher build? (Something that reduces item/self damage, something that increases blast radius, something that increases blast damage)

EDIT: Actually, seeming how late you get AoE weapons, maybe you should only include one of those traits. But make it very very good, cause the rocket launcher SUCKS for general usage (Not including special levels, at which point it's a godsend)

This...got me to thinking. If i go double-shotgun, I carry a RL to plug the tactical holes. but maybe you could do it the other way around. The thing that distinguishes the RL is that not only can you guarantee picking one up almost straight away, you can then guarantee finding an advanced RL in the Wall. I'm thinking Finesse and then Wizkid to reduce the firing time and reload times primarily. dunno what other traits would work best. I think I'm going to go try some test builds.

i'm not expecting miracles, but it might be workable on the easier settings.

[Visalos]

it's easy to run low on rockets sometimes, mid-game-ish. but yeah, speed/reload/accuracy would be the way to go. hmm, idea for a rocket talent: something that reduced the blast radius by 1 and divided that damage among the remaining squares? prereq. eagle eye 2?

[Errant]

Works fairly well if you find the weapon speed and reload time mods. I was wrong about it working better on the lower settings: it works better on harder difficulties because the main problem is ammo and you don't get many rockets unless you bump it up a notch.

Other problems are starting combat the right distance away, and blowing up loot. It's a bucket of fun, but probably not the most efficient way to play. Would be nice if I found a unique to play with.