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[wingie]

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8 (WIN-S)) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Wingie, level 7 soldier, nuked the Cyberdemon.
 on level 21 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 92551 turns and scored 42927 points.

 He killed 433 out of 546 hellspawn. (79%)

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 He fought on Hell's Arena.
 He witnessed the City of Skulls.
 He faced The Wall.
 He killed the Cyberdemon, just to find a greater evil...
 He discovered true Hell!

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -11/60   Experience 27706/7
  ToHit +6  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman        (Level 1)
    Tough as nails (Level 2)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 2)
    Cateye         (Level 2)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [ Weapon     ]   BFG 9000 (8d8) [20/100]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [4/4] (88%)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] rocket launcher (4d4) [1/1]
    chaingun (1d6)x5 [23/50]
    [c] plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [32/40]
    [d] BFG 9000 (8d8) [100/100]
    [e] rocket (x4)
    [f] rocket (x10)
    [g] power cell (x18)
    [h] phase device
    large med-pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    60 former humans
    63 former human sergeants
    33 former human captains
    33 imps
    52 demons
    76 lost souls
    22 cacodemons
    16 barons of hell
    10 hell knights
    8 arachnotrons
    8 former human commanders

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 He started his journey on the suface of Phobos.
 On level 2 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 Afterwards he fought on Hell's Arena.
 On level 3 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 4 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 5 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 6 he found hellish caves.
 On level 7 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 8 he found a hellish city.
 On level 9 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 10 he found hellish caves.
 Afterwards he witnessed the Wall.
 On level 11 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 He then ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 On level 12 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 13 he found a hellish city.
 On level 14 he found a hellish city.
 On level 15 he found a hellish city.
 On level 16 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 Then he found the City of Skulls.
 On level 17 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 18 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 19 he found hellish caves.
 Then at last he found the Phobos Arena.
 He killed the Cyberdemon, and discovered true Hell!
 There finally he nuked the Cyberdemon..

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

  He's the first brave soul to have ventured into Hell...

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SO. This was the second time where I made it to the Cyberdemon, and the first where I got past him...

I killed the Cyberdemon, and then I got a message that says something like "You outsmarted Hell itself! But why is the evil still there?" and a staircase down. I took it down... and found a level called Hell Fortress with John Carmack, who preceeded to open six cans of whoopass on me. He kept summoning Barons of Hell, but I was doing fine since I had 2 BFGs and loads of ammo. After about 8 shots on Carmack and loads of dead demons my game crashed, but it automatically saved my character. When I reloaded... well... I had to start the level over again with the equipment I had at the end of my battle, which is 4 shots worth of energy cells and no armor. =( So I died and got this dump.

Here's the deal: I killed big C not by shooting him, but by thermonuclear device WHILE I WAS INVINCIBLE! (I was lucky enough to find an invincibility globe a few steps away from the staircase in the previous level. So I just nuked the crap out of him. Is this why I got the special message and level instead of the ending the Wiki mentioned?

Has anyone else ever gotten this? Was the crash the result of me beating Carmack? Because, seriously, nothing should survive 8 BFG shots. =)

[Anticheese]

Ok..

You most likely beat the Cyberdemon..

But the rest of it is utter bullcrap.

Seriously, As soon as you defeat the Cyberdemon the ending text to Doom I - Knee deep in the dead shows. That is all.

There are absolutely no powerups in the level Phobos Arena, And if you really were clued up on your Doomlore you would know it was John Romero's head on a pike that was behind the Icon of Sin/Gatekeeper/Bahaptamut/Giant demon head with a weak spot on its forehead..

The fact that your dump file only says "He was the first brave soul to venture into hell" is also a major tip-off.

I also doubt you got two BFG's, You would have to have visited the spiders lair to get a second one.

ALSO, I just did the maths and according to your monsters killed you only shot down 348 monsters, EXCLUDING the cyberdemon, Which incidentally will show up on a real post mortem dump.

Please, If you are going to lie, Do your homework first.

Otherwise, Welcome to the forums.

We hope you enjoy your stay.

[Aerton]

Now DRL have got it's first rumour...
Would you like to belive wingie's the story, or would rational Anticheese convince you? Pick your side.

And yes, I am trying to nuke the cyberdaemon while invulnerable since closed beta. No luck so far.

[jake250]

For a first (or second) post, its a realy bad start.

Seriously, your so new, saying non-sense stuff, no one will trust you. And if it was true, at least I know Kornel would've implemented it in the right way (I mean, John Carmack? You lost all your points here).

I'm wondering if you'll ever post in here again!

[Turgor]

I'm not sure what to think. I've been trying to find the special ending for a long time too, tried the nuking, tried lots more, but never found it. But then again it could be a random event after killing the cyberdemon, which he was lucky enough to get.

Now there are some inconsistencies in his post mortem, but that may have been due to the crash? Allthough the whole crash story makes me doubt this a bit more too.

Wingie never mentions any powerups on Phobos Arena, just an invincibility globe he found on the level before the Cyberdemon, which made him decide to use the nuke.

I fail to see why Kornel wouldn't use Carmack here instead of Romero (allthough i was hoping it would be Kornel himself :D) so this part is still credible for me.

But what i miss are screenshots! Give me some screenshots and you'll convince me (if they are not fakes offcourse).

Anyway, welcome to the forum wingie! I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and congratulate you on at least discovering the special ending!

EDIT:

Quoting: wingie

So I just nuked the crap out of him. Is this why I got the special message and level instead of the ending the Wiki mentioned?

I don't think so. Lots of people tried this and got the normal ending.

Quoting: wingie

Has anyone else ever gotten this? Was the crash the result of me beating Carmack? Because, seriously, nothing should survive 8 BFG shots. =)

As far as i know you are the first one to report this ending here. Wether nobody ever got it before i cannot say, but it is a very rare event (I've killed the Cyberdemon about a dozen times now, never got what you got).

[wingie]

Quoting: Turgor

Anyway, welcome to the forum wingie! I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and congratulate you on at least discovering the special ending!

Thank you! I hope somebody can either duplicate the findings, or, say, Kornel himself would appear and settle this once and for all. =) You were right in that I never mentioned any powerups in the Phobos Arena---it was in the level right before it.

I think the monster inconsistencies may have resulted from the crash / monsters in the "secret level" that I BFGed. As to why it said "the first person to ever venture into hell", I downloaded it fresh for this computer---I've been playing for two weeks at another. Maybe that has something to do with it? That a "new" version got put up very recently?

Anyway, I do not expect you to believe me, especially when I don't have some very easily-shopped ACSii screenshots to accompany my post. I do expect you, however, to try to find the "special ending" on your own---I'm pretty sure the trigger is nuking the Cyberdemon while you're invincible.

[Turgor]

Nope, i'm pretty sure it's not nuking while invincible.. but i'm getting more and more sure it's just random.

hmm i'm not even sure of that actually. gotta keep killing the cyberdemon till i find out 0.o

[Anticheese]

Quoting: wingie

I downloaded it fresh for this computer---I've been playing for two weeks at another. Maybe that has something to do with it? That a "new" version got put up very recently?

One can duplicate that effect by deleting all files but the .exe itself.


I'd also like to say that if your mortem.txt is correct, You could have used a large health pack, Unpacked the other BFG and then have two more shots at the head on a stick.

Lets for a moment assume that dump is 100% authentic.

Wingie said that he died and got that dump, So glitch crashes are out of the question, According to what he says it is a bona-fide dump.

I'm sorry, I would like to believe you but I have spent half my life cutting through bullshite and I feel jaded towards anything that is way "out there".

Its classic "I'll believe it when I see it" syndrome.

So for that matter I would like to suggest a new feature to DoomRL - That the game uploads mortem files by itself. Or if you dont have internet access at the time, Perhaps having an encoded file (and a plain .txt file) that you can upload by hand.

Perhaps it is a bit tough, But it ensures authenticity.

But hey, Well done. If it isint true, At least you have started up a powerful rumor :-)

[jake250]

Quoting: Anticheese

Perhaps it is a bit tough, But it ensures authenticity.

Good idea, would be worth it imo.

I realy want Kornel's comment here, only he can verify the authenticity of his story for now.

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

Quoting: jake250

I realy want Kornel's comment here, only he can verify the authenticity of his story for now.

Sorry, I don't want to do that :-).
All I can say for now, that the current version has a overspawn bug, that crashes the game when too many monsters appear. It's my fault, and I'm terribly sorry for that.

[wingie]

Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz

All I can say for now, that the current version has a overspawn bug, that crashes the game when too many monsters appear. It's my fault, and I'm terribly sorry for that.

Well, the "secret boss" does spawn lots of Barons of Hell, so that may explain it.

I think it may be my fault for not killing them fast enough though. =)

As for the where I got the BFGs question: I got 2 of them in the City of Skulls.

Anyway, I just finished another game. This time, I killed the Cyberdemon (rather easily, since I had an overcharged plasma rifle and 3 loaded BFGs---1 from Halls of Carnage and 2 from City of Skulls). I got the normal ending. This is the post-mortem I got. The last line is the most interesting.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8 (WIN-S)) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Wingie, level 8 soldier, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 20 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 98360 turns and scored 46047 points.

 He killed 539 out of 548 hellspawn. (98%)
 He held his right to remain violent.

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He stormed the Chained Court.
 He ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 He found the Hell's Armory.
 He witnessed the City of Skulls.

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 13/50   Experience 40260/8
  ToHit +6  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Hellrunner     (Level 1)
    Tough as nails (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 2)
    Cateye         (Level 2)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   blue armor [0/2] (19%)
    [ Weapon     ]   BFG 9000 (8d8) [60/100]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [8/8] (96%)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    rocket launcher (4d4) [0/1]
    [c] chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50]
    [d] plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [40/40]
    [e] BFG 9000 (8d8) [20/100]
    [f] BFG 9000 (8d8) [100/100]
    [g] 10mm ammo (x49)
    [h] rocket (x10)
    rocket (x10)
    [j] power cell (x50)
    [k] power cell (x50)
    [l] power cell (x50)
    [m] thermonuclear bomb
    [n] phase device

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    75 former humans
    52 former human sergeants
    33 former human captains
    56 imps
    54 demons
    113 lost souls
    40 cacodemons
    12 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    20 hell knights
    19 arachnotrons
    17 former human commanders

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 He started his journey on the suface of Phobos.
 On level 2 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 3 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 4 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 5 he found hellish caves.
 He then stormed the Chained Court.
 On level 6 he found a hellish city.
 On level 7 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 8 he found a hellish city.
 On level 9 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 He then found Hell's Armory.
 On level 10 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 11 he found a hellish city.
 On level 12 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 13 he found hellish caves.
 He then ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 On level 14 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 15 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 16 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 Then he found the City of Skulls.
 On level 17 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 18 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 19 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 Then at last he found the Phobos Arena.
 There finally he defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 2 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 1 of those was killed.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 1 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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Anyway, if you don't believe me, here's a screenshot:
http://halogen.note.amherst.edu/~wing/dumpbox/doom.png

(Before anyone says "OMG IT IS NOT EVEN WINDOZ", I use bbLean and ObjectDock as my shell replacement, so it looks like a better OS. =) And it's not Photoshopped, because I do not have Photoshop. It may be Painted, actually I did paste the screenshot into Paint to save it, which explains the color loss, because Paint sucks in its PNG export.)

There was one of 'em invincibility orbs a few feet away from the stairs down to the Arena this time, again. I couldn't pick it up, though, because a Baron of Hell blasted me when I was next to it and took it out.

[jake250]

Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz

Sorry, I don't want to do that :-).
All I can say for now, that the current version has a overspawn bug, that crashes the game when too many monsters appear. It's my fault, and I'm terribly sorry for that.

I hate you :P

You want that! You want everyone to look and waste hard earned time on your game to find and understand the secrets themselves! You want it! :P

Anyway I would at least like to know if there is any logical conclusion to this, or is pure randomness the reason of this event. I mean it, I never ever killed that cyberdemon, never even went farther than level 15 (or something around there). It'll be long before I figure all that out by myself.

TO WINGIE

Now im going to talk to you! And you alone. I trust you, relatively. You proved there is an additional line of text, which should be available on every other post mortem you will do. Now now, if you would be so gentle, you would send me the "score.dat" folder to :

bozo2011@hotmail.com (please, forget the stupid email name, I created it when I was like 7 years old and I can't create another one :P)

You understand, it is damn easy to edit a picture. Any one with 5 minutes of free time can work it out. I doubt you can edit score.dat, so it would completely prove your authenticity. Please, I would really like you to send it to me, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks :)

ANOTHER THING CONCERNING THE NAME OF THE BOSS : John Carmack. Ok, a small theory. If you give yourself no name, the game gives you one from a list. In this list you can find John Romero, and even Adrian Carmack. But here you got John Carmack. It would be stupid to call the boss John Romero and end up in a John Romero VS John Romero fight...

Well, all this is my opinion, and I wish luck to everyone in finding everything about this mystery.

Oh and sorry for the long post!

[wingie]

Sure, in fact, even better: I uploaded the score.dat here:

http://halogen.note.amherst.edu/~wing/dumpbox/score.dat

Have fun!

[Anticheese]

Assuming the information is correct, I'd say your best bet is to play it on a fresh installation of DoomRL and see what happens.

[packrat]

In the previous version, on the Arena, I have found that some of pillars here are red and one is green (or maybe the other way around). The red ones were easy to destroy and see what is inside, but I could not destroy the green one (I tried all my weapons, and made the Cyberdemon shoot at it also). Something interesting could be inside. But this might have been a red herring.

[Anticheese]

The green one is indestructible. Period.


@Kornel - I can just see you are enjoying all of this..

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

I can, and I realy do :-). Why do you think it is indestructible? And...:

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#?#
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Get the idea? ;-)
I guess you would need a nuke to destroy such a wall ^_^.

[jake250]

Quoting: wingie

Sure, in fact, even better: I uploaded the score.dat here:

http://halogen.note.amherst.edu/~wing/dumpbox/score.dat

Have fun!

Thanks a lot! I see now Kornel love to hide stuff like that and I do understand, after all I make game too (but nowhere are they spectacular).

Anyway, this made me want to play the game again :P I want to solve the mystery!..

[Malek Deneith]

Quoting: jake250

Anyway, this made me want to play the game again :P I want to solve the mystery!..

Damn ... I would play too (not that I bet the game so far) ... but I can't see dark red on black background with my graphics card T-T

[Turgor]

Aww so now it is resolved.. no more mystery. I guess your theory was right after all wingie. Weird, i could've sworn i tried that too, but i guess i just nuked myself along with the Cyberdemon too (no invincibility).

Well, time to cheat to get it (a.k.a. savescumming :P).

[Anticheese]

Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz

I guess you would need a nuke to destroy such a wall ^_^.

You..Bastard :-)

Hey Turgor, Upload a challenge to the wiki: "Beat the cyberdemon using a Nuke, And survive."