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[N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« on: May 22, 2009, 20:07 »

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Joseph Hewitt, level 19 Cacodemon Blade, killed by something...
 on level 100 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 175125 turns and scored 3757396 points.
 He opposed the Nightmare!

 He killed 3361 out of 5074 hellspawn. (66%)
 He was an Angel of 100!


-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  ..#.....0.#VV0......0...........#.......=.=...............#
  ..#.......#BBB.......|....\.....#.######=#######..#######.#
  ..#.......#=RRR.................#.#.....=......#..#.==%=+.#
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  ###.=====.======.........==...........=====...............#
  .....=...===..=..........}...........======...............#
  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 80/80   Experience 639686/19
  ToHit +6  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman        (Level 3)
    Finesse        (Level 2)
    Hellrunner     (Level 1)
    Tough as nails (Level 3)
    Son of a bitch (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 3)
    Juggler        (Level 1)
    Cateye         (Level 1)
    Badass         (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy   (Level 1)

  EE->EE->Cat->SoB->SoB->SoB->TaN->TaN->Fin->Fin->TaN->Jug->EE->HR->Iro->Iro->Iro->Bad->TH->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   green armor [1/1] (81%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   advanced chaingun (1d7)x5 [50/50] (D1S3)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   Phaseshift Boots [4/4] (96%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   Nuclear Plasma Rifle (1d7)x8 [24/24]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] advanced BFG 9000 (11d8) [220/220] (D1M3)
    [b] Railgun (6d6) [40/40]
    [c] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x70)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [k] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [l] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [m] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [n] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [o] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [p] power cell (x44)
    [q] small med-pack
    [r] small med-pack
    [s] phase device
    [t] envirosuit pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    111 former humans
    271 former sergeants
    229 former captains
    147 imps
    97 demons
    23 lost souls
    122 cacodemons
    276 barons of hell
    97 hell knights
    220 arachnotrons
    14 former commandos
    94 pain elementals
    264 arch-viles
    185 mancubi
    146 revenants

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 9 he found the Phaseshift Boots!
  On level 15 he found the Nuclear Plasma Rifle!
  On level 26 he found the Missile Launcher!
  On level 28 he found the Phaseshift Armor!
  He nuked level 31!
  On level 32 he found the Necroarmor!
  He flooded the entire level 44 with acid!
  On level 57 he found the Gothic Armor!
  On level 61 he found the Railgun!
  On level 100 he finally was killed by something...

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 hits the baron of hell. The missile hits the baron of hell. The
 missile hits the baron of hell. The missile hits the baron of hell. The
 missile hits the baron of hell.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the baron of hell. The baron of
 hell dies.
 Unknown command. Press "?" for help.
 You reload the chaingun with 10mm ammo.
 You open the door.
 You start running!
 There are stairs leading downward here.
 Just one more! Just one more! Will you die here? Press <Enter>... 
 You enter Phobos Hell, level 100.
 You use a homing phase device. You feel yanked in an non-existing
 direction! There are stairs leading downward here.
 You did it! You completed 100 levels of DoomRL! You're the champion! Press

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 383 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 354 of those were killed.
 5 of those were killed by something unknown.
 And 13 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 11 souls claim to have killed him...
 9 killed the bastard and survived.
 2 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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My second really good try. Last one died on 54 because i ran out of ammo and got down to a rocket launcher.
To be honest, i've never had so much help from the RNG. I had Nuclear Plasma Rifle + NecroArmor + Phaseshift Boots. I was clearing V's like they were no trouble, i was carrying 8 large med packs and 2 homing devices most of the time.
Then on lvl 85 i lost the NecroArmor due to overconfidence. Shit! Shit! Shit! I barely managed to end it, on level 95 i even ran out of medkits. Manage to run out the remaining levels ^^.
I even got rapid chaingun and rapid plasma rifle + the ultra rare BFG in Ao100. I even saw a chainsaw at some point and 2 MegaSpheres i didn't use.
Ah, one more point, i didn't really like the Railgun before, but it's quite handy to kill those V's hiding behind rezed monsters.
And i state again, NecroArmor is so powerful it's scary.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 20:34 by Dervis »
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 01:52 »

Hah, I didn't know it showed a "Just one more!" message on level 100.

Also I'm gonna call bullshit on your run. No offense. I mean, you at least start-scummed (It's hard not to in N! Ao100), but I think you may have cheated a little more than that.

I mean, to start, it's an N! Ao100 win. That's evidence enough for some sort of foul play. No-one's good enough to do that and should anyone be that good, why would they bother wasting 5 hours of their time with the disheartening truth somewhere in them that they're about to die and lose all their invested hours?

Your trait choice is sub-optimal. Also why didn't you get trigger happy much sooner if you had a nuclear plasma rifle?
Your run claims an incredible ability to kill arch-viles. It's ludicrous to think that someone can kill Arch-Viles as well as you can with a Nuclear Plasma Rifle.
Your kills list is heavily out of proportion. I'm checking back to my N! AoLT win and I can't see how you could possibly kill so few lost souls (Less than 1 per 4 levels! I mean what, did you NEVER get a pain elemental cave!?) and so few commandos.
You pulled the acid-lever on level 44. No-one even half as good as a Nightmare Ao100 winner would do that.
This one's a bit of a stretch, but I don't think you could've gotten over 3.75 million points.

Also your last posts (Sorry, I was just wondering if you were the same guy as the last time I saw an unbelievable run) show a slight ignorance to how DoomRL works. Again, nit picking but you really do have to be perfect at everything before I'll believe you.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 04:29 »

Its definatly a fake.  Not only aren't the lost soul numbers right, particularly considering the pain elemental kills, but the kill numbers for the monsters don't add up to 3361.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2009, 05:29 »

One thing I can say for sure, the score amount is valid.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 06:34 »

Its definatly a fake.  Not only aren't the lost soul numbers right, particularly considering the pain elemental kills, but the kill numbers for the monsters don't add up to 3361.
If Arch-vile resurrects a monster and you kill that monster again, that this count as a kill?
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 06:40 »

You pulled the acid-lever on level 44. No-one even half as good as a Nightmare Ao100 winner would do that.
Why? You can pull the lever, wait for the monsters to die and use the homing phase device. You don't waste ammo on mosters.
This also reminds, how can I "use" anything besides the level I am standing on? Because I ussualy pull the lever, move to acid/lava that filled the room and then use th homing phase device.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 07:01 »

Well, i didn't really expect to be called fake this blatantly but this is perfectly legit.

Anyway, i'll explain some stuff if it makes you happier:
- First thing about Ao100, is that the monsters spawned change every 25 levels. So past level 25 no more demons, lost souls, etc. Past level 75 i only saw V, M, R, A, Caco, Baron, former sargeant and former captain (commandos disappeared on lvl 25, seamt weird to me).
- Second, and this is for Kornel, I don't feel that the monster numbers increased from lvl 30 onward.
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Your trait choice is sub-optimal. Also why didn't you get trigger happy much sooner if you had a nuclear plasma rifle?
My primary weapon was rapid Nuclear Rifle, Nuclear Plasma Rifle is awesome not for the burst damage, but for the ammo saving. Trigger Happy is excellent for chainguns, +/- for plasma guns. Actually i was happy with the Trigger Happy 1, it meant i could shoot 9+9+8 cells on the NPR.
Explaining traits:
Hellrunner 1 - I got Phaseshift Boots early so i just needed 1 point to guarantee movement under 1,00 seconds. (This is important for 2 reasons, most monsters can't get a double move on you and you're fast enough to retreat from anything)
Juggler - Brutally important. Meant i could swap to the recharging NPR and finish off monsters. Typical Monster kill, burst of rapid Plasma Rifle, 2-3 cells from NPR, dead.
CatEye 1 - You only need one to avoid ambushes if you're fast enough.
Badass 1 - Enough to stop knockback.
TH - Already explained.
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It's ludicrous to think that someone can kill Arch-Viles as well as you can with a Nuclear Plasma Rifle.
Burst of rapid Plasma Rifle + Burst of NPR = 1,44 seconds with 9 cells used. Not awesome enough?

I found 4-5 Pain Elementals, 2 i ran away from them, the others were easy: Chaingun kills the O, 2 cells NPR kills the s. Yes i killed alot of lost souls, dunno why it doesn't show.

*SPOILER*
Monsters don't leave corpses on Water, Acid, Lava. So whenever you see one of these hit it (provided you have the envirosuits). Level 44 was the easiest level ever. (click lever, activate enviro, look for ladder/items with everything DEAD)
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 08:38 »


You reload the chaingun with 10mm ammo.                                       
 There is a advanced BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100] lying here.                     
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 Joseph Hewitt              Armor : Necroarmor [6/6] (99%)                     
 Health: 124% Exp: 19/0%    Weapon: advanced chaingun (1d6)x5 [50/50] (S1)     
 cautious                                                    Phobos Hell  Lev54

I got one screenie when i found the BFG.

Errata, i meant 4-5 Pain Elemental Caves.

And Melon, i use all items from the inventory screen 'i', so no problem with levers.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2009, 10:42 »

Its definatly a fake.  Not only aren't the lost soul numbers right, particularly considering the pain elemental kills, but the kill numbers for the monsters don't add up to 3361.
If Arch-vile resurrects a monster and you kill that monster again, that this count as a kill?
You're right actually, I checked a couple of my mortems and saw that the numbers didn't add up there either, ressed monster kills are added to the total killed, but not the individual monster type kills, sorry Dervis, I should have double checked things first before accusing.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2009, 17:50 »

Well, i didn't really expect to be called fake this blatantly but this is perfectly legit.

Directness is just one of my many talents.

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- First thing about Ao100, is that the monsters spawned change every 25 levels. So past level 25 no more demons, lost souls, etc. Past level 75 i only saw V, M, R, A, Caco, Baron, former sargeant and former captain (commandos disappeared on lvl 25, seamt weird to me).

Okay, that kind of explains the kills.

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Actually i was happy with the Trigger Happy 1, it meant i could shoot 9+9+8 cells on the NPR.

That's what I meant. It seemed like an obvious advantage to me.

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Burst of rapid Plasma Rifle + Burst of NPR = 1,44 seconds with 9 cells used. Not awesome enough?

Ah, I didn't know you had a real plasma rifle.

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I found 4-5 Pain Elemental Caves, 2 i ran away from them, the others were easy:

Uh, what. This does not match my pain elemental cave experiences at all. Even when using rockets you can't kill everything fast enough before the pain elementals respawn. I often save homing phases just for caves.

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Monsters don't leave corpses on Water, Acid, Lava. So whenever you see one of these hit it (provided you have the envirosuits). Level 44 was the easiest level ever. (click lever, activate enviro, look for ladder/items with everything DEAD)

Yeah, I knew that. I just never bring down envirosuits because they're essentially useless when you can run through several squares of lava and then heal up with a small medpack.
I mean, unless you were specifically carrying them for flood-level levers? That seems a bit situational to me.
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Re: [N!|Ao100|66%|YAVP] Easier than AoB imo
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2009, 01:18 »

Monsters don't leave corpses on Water, Acid, Lava. So whenever you see one of these hit it (provided you have the envirosuits). Level 44 was the easiest level ever. (click lever, activate enviro, look for ladder/items with everything DEAD)

Yeah, I knew that. I just never bring down envirosuits because they're essentially useless when you can run through several squares of lava and then heal up with a small medpack.
I mean, unless you were specifically carrying them for flood-level levers? That seems a bit situational to me.

Well, you can run through lava, and you can use a small med-pack to heal yourself. But what happens when a Baron of Hell hit you with his acid ball and you get pushed back in the lava?

I always make sure I have a spare enviroment suit. This way, when pulling the levers and it is not the free experience lever I can just run away
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2009, 07:57 »

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I found 4-5 Pain Elemental Caves, 2 i ran away from them, the others were easy:

Uh, what. This does not match my pain elemental cave experiences at all. Even when using rockets you can't kill everything fast enough before the pain elementals respawn. I often save homing phases just for caves.

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Monsters don't leave corpses on Water, Acid, Lava. So whenever you see one of these hit it (provided you have the envirosuits). Level 44 was the easiest level ever. (click lever, activate enviro, look for ladder/items with everything DEAD)

Yeah, I knew that. I just never bring down envirosuits because they're essentially useless when you can run through several squares of lava and then heal up with a small medpack.
I mean, unless you were specifically carrying them for flood-level levers? That seems a bit situational to me.
My opinion on Pain Elemental Caves:
- They're easy or hard depending or whether you're in a corner or the middle of the map. On an Angel of Impatience challenge i died on one of these caves even after 5 BFG shots.
- You need LOTS of ammunition to clear it, so this will be a issue more often than not.
- Pain elementals don't respawn, so you can take your time.

Actually, the reason i carry envirosuits is that sometimes there's a path being blocked by monsters being continually rezed by V's. On those occasions you need to go around and more often than one would think, it's full of lava.
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