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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2009, 18:08 »


No, it is not a bow and arrow, it is a bow and THREE ARROWS!

Furthermore, as a Ranger, I can DUAL WIELD my bows!

Moreover, as a Ranger\Ranger, I can DUAL WIELD my DUAL WIELD



So yeah, Dualgunner expansion can lead to insanity like dual-wielding two Plasma Rifles. Not good for teh supplies.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2009, 18:57 »
Quote from: raekuul on October 07, 2009, 18:08


No, it is not a bow and arrow, it is a bow and THREE ARROWS!

Furthermore, as a Ranger, I can DUAL WIELD my bows!

Moreover, as a Ranger\Ranger, I can DUAL WIELD my DUAL WIELD


OMG, no ! That would be the 18th comic for me to read QQ...
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Quote from: raekuul on October 07, 2009, 18:08
So yeah, Dualgunner expansion can lead to insanity like dual-wielding two Plasma Rifles. Not good for teh supplies.
Well... Think about it - if someone is desperate enough to pick SoaG twice and lug around enough ammo to feed his dual-PRs... why the hell should we not let him ? Ammochain blocks SoaG anyway so he'd have to either hog all cells he finds (which might STILL not be enough) or simply NOT fire dual-PRs all the time and switch between weapons a lot (and those additional weapons, and their ammo, take space)... or switch between melee and dual-PR wielding, which would be so badass with SoG->SoG->DG that I'd want this to work simply for the show xD.

Sounds quite nice, actually. It DOES have its uses and appeals mostly to pistol-players who want to switch from time to time. Shotgun users would suffer a LOT until getting Shottyman, which means that they would be able to deal some serious dual-SG damage as late as on the 6th level. They would become killing machines at level 9 (MAD), three levels later than they normally would (or, more likely, they would get DG on level 9) but it wouldn't be THAT bad if we simply put a range limit on using both of their weapons at once.

There are TWO very positive things about this idea.
1* It would encourage non-AoMr pistol users to go some crazy stuff with other weapons they find
2* It would allow you to change a pistol-oriented game into a shotgun game as late as at level 3. Sure - at first those SGs would be a bitch to reload but that's exactly why dual-wielding them wouldn't be overpowered at this point...
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2009, 21:12 »
Well allowing SoG to affect other weapons removes the unique benefit to pistols.  I would probably simply dual wield chainguns and swap in a plasma rifle or two for tougher enemies.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2009, 01:22 »
How about we leave the insanity of Duel Wielding other things then pistols to user mods? :D
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2009, 08:52 »
Quote from: Aki on October 08, 2009, 01:22
How about we leave the insanity of Duel Wielding other things then pistols to user mods? :D

I can get behind that.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2009, 12:37 »
ok i realise this is getting nowhere soon and i´m gonna close this mess in some days but...how broken is 2 doubleshotguns, one in each weapon slot, shottyman, reloader 3, juggler. shoot switch shoot reload switch reload repeat. this is totally possible in the game as it is... and yet it didn´t break it. now, how much improvement is my trait to this ? ...just a thought
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2009, 13:32 »
Quote from: xenozid on October 08, 2009, 12:37
ok i realise this is getting nowhere soon and i´m gonna close this mess in some days but...how broken is 2 doubleshotguns, one in each weapon slot, shottyman, reloader 3, juggler. shoot switch shoot reload switch reload repeat. this is totally possible in the game as it is... and yet it didn´t break it. now, how much improvement is my trait to this ? ...just a thought

Because it's not dualwielding double shotguns, firing both of them at the same time.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2009, 15:09 »
Quote from: xenozid on October 08, 2009, 12:37
ok i realise this is getting nowhere soon and i´m gonna close this mess in some days but...how broken is 2 doubleshotguns, one in each weapon slot, shottyman, reloader 3, juggler. shoot switch shoot reload switch reload repeat. this is totally possible in the game as it is... and yet it didn´t break it. now, how much improvement is my trait to this ? ...just a thought

Because you wouldn't have to take Fin 1 and Juggler...
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2009, 05:27 »
As far as I recall, John Preston did dual-wield shotguns in the 'puppy in the trunk' scene. However, even he fired them in quick succession, rather than at the same time (read: Fin/Juggler).
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2009, 08:22 »
It's not dualwielding shotguns that is the problem, it's reloading them using one hand that is :P.

Although Arnie Swarzenegger did that in some movie AFAIK :P.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2009, 08:24 »
The Rock did in "Welcome To The Jungle", as well as Arnie in whatever it was.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2009, 08:28 »
Quote from: raekuul on October 07, 2009, 18:08


No, it is not a bow and arrow, it is a bow and THREE ARROWS!

Furthermore, as a Ranger, I can DUAL WIELD my bows!

Moreover, as a Ranger\Ranger, I can DUAL WIELD my DUAL WIELD



So yeah, Dualgunner expansion can lead to insanity like dual-wielding two Plasma Rifles. Not good for teh supplies.

Wow, I never expected to find another 8BT reader in the Chaosforge forums. One of my favourite Ranger sayings :P
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2009, 00:03 »
Quote from: Kornel Kisielewicz on October 09, 2009, 08:22
It's not dualwielding shotguns that is the problem, it's reloading them using one hand that is :P.
Ash does it all the time ^^

ok and i just checked the opening of "desperados" he does dualwield a sawed off doubleshotgun and a streetsweeper but doesn´t fire them at the same time, maybe i have to play a juggler/shotgun run...but i don´t think it´ll feel as amazing...
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2009, 13:39 »
Quote from: xenozid on October 10, 2009, 00:03
Ash does it all the time ^^

ok and i just checked the opening of "desperados" he does dualwield a sawed off doubleshotgun and a streetsweeper but doesn´t fire them at the same time, maybe i have to play a juggler/shotgun run...but i don´t think it´ll feel as amazing...

Which Ash?

Oh, and of course it won't feel as amazing, but it's what you get for now.
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Re: New Master Trait - Desperado ?
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2009, 01:54 »
Quote from: Kornel Kisielewicz on October 09, 2009, 08:22
It's not dualwielding shotguns that is the problem, it's reloading them using one hand that is :P.

Although Arnie Swarzenegger did that in some movie AFAIK :P.
Arnie was also able to hold a vulcan cannon and use it [:
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