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New DoomRL guide...
« on: December 11, 2009, 07:25 »

Hi folks,
I put together a guide to doomrl, as an aside to the excellent '(Un)official doomRL strategy guide by Thomas
Parasiuk', and the excellent Wiki by Aki. You can view it at the following link:

http://sylph.me.uk/doomrl/doomrl%20guide%20sylph.txt

Enjoy!
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 07:45 »

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Passive defense:
standing there getting shot at

Active defense:
running around getting shot at

Tactical defense:
not getting shot at

Hahahaha.

Also you totally did not just diss Army of the Dead. It gives you so much more damage, it's like permanent double damage for long range shotgun fighting, or just an ass-ton of damage at short range.
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 08:04 »

Hehe, I did say
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It's not bad, by any stretch

I do like army of the dead, I think it's a good trait, I simply think that shotgun characters can get by just fine on finesse and juggler. Sure, their shotgun is less powerful, but it's not like they're gonna run out of ammo, and the defense from a level 12 character using corners+knockback and spending 9 character points on defense (say ironman 3, hellrunner, dodgemaster, tough as nails 2, and badass) is perhaps, maybe, a little easier to win the game with, in my experience, than a character that has a powerful long-range shotgun attack.

Glad you enjoyed some of the humour in the guide! Your guide was absolutely invaluable to me, and your praise is very, very much appreciated.
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 15:09 »

I'm making a few updates to the traits section of the guide, as well as expanding it in the last sections. Just a heads-up.
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 17:03 »

Sylph, could you post it to gameFAQs once it's semi-finished? And don't forget to include a link to DoomRL INSIDE :)
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 18:53 »

I was actually planning on releasing it to gamefaqs. In fact that's why the 'traits' section has a 'general traits' and a 'task-specific traits' split - to keep with the 79 characters per line rule for gamefaqs. :)
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 23:15 »

Great guide!  I love the builds you posted towards the end, especially shocket :)
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 03:02 »

Sylph - you have done us a great service, sir

Not only will the new players have a fighting chance, it helps out our PR as well!
Thanks!
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 01:53 »

*is glad to see his passive/active/tactical defense theory becoming canon*
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2009, 04:32 »

Great guide:

+It has probably the best explanation of shooting around corners I've seen. I liked the part where you made a hole in the wall to make a corner from which to shoot the monsters in the middle of the level.

+The arena tips.

+Fun to read.

+/- Running gives armour bonus? WTF, why, since when, and why hasn't anyone told me before? :O

-Surely power mods give more than +1 damage :) With a plasma rifle on AoMC it's more like +8. In a normal game tech mods might still be more useful, but it's still balancing a chance to kill with less shots vs shooting those shots faster.

-The range of throwing knives is 5 squares, not 4. I think the explosion radius of the barrels is 4 so this might be a significant difference on AoB :P

Other than the numbers I don't have much to complain. Reading your guide gave me the inspiration to finally tackle Ao100. My god was it boring, but thanks, now I don't have to play it again for a while.
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2009, 08:18 »

-Surely power mods give more than +1 damage :) With a plasma rifle on AoMC it's more like +8. In a normal game tech mods might still be more useful, but it's still balancing a chance to kill with less shots vs shooting those shots faster.

Lets say your gun does XdY damage per shot (It doesn't matter how many shots it fires in a single volley).

If X is lower than Y, your gun gains X - (X/(Y+1)) per shot.
If Y is lower than X, your gun gains (Y/2) per shot.

In AoMC, it just increases the damage by X or Y per shot (It chooses the lower one)

Whereas a tech mod is a flat +25% to your damage per second, unless you need to reload your weapon a lot.

As such, tech mods are much more useful in a MAc run from a purely damage-per-second perspective. Hmm...
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2009, 17:28 »

I'd like to say thanks to Sylph for the nice guide, it helped me quite a bit.
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 22:52 »

A tech mod is only 15% to DPS, and due to rounding, a tech modded normal weapon goes 1.0, 0.8, 0.7, 0.6.

Running mode does not increase armor.  It does, however, decrease monster to-hit (ranged and melee) by 4 and give +20% to active defense checks (monster is much more likely to shoot at your old position).
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2010, 01:52 »

So you're saying a Tech mod is more useful than a power mod the first time, but less useful each time after that?
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Re: New DoomRL guide...
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2010, 02:18 »

Maybe.  The relative utility of tech mods and power mods is variable depending on weapon stats.
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