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Badges, badges, badges!
Gargulec:
--- Quote from: action52 on April 03, 2010, 19:25 ---I don't think it's quite that high. On AoB, you're guaranteed a homing device in Hell's Arena, which is hard but quite doable on HNTR (one thing that helps is to take 3 levels of Brute instead of berserker--enemies are too few and too spread out for berserker to work well there). If you find an invulnerability sphere or berserk pack close to the entrance to The Wall--I would say the chances of this are quite good if you play the game on AoB a lot--you just need to have a phase device get you to the other side. If you can get yourself in the middle of the Barons and Hell Knights with invulnerability or berserk active, it should be a cakewalk. You should be able to keep your berserker status easily, allowing you to mow through them without even needing a med-pack if you start the level at 100% or higher.
If you have the Anti-Freak Jackal, I can't imagine it would be that hard either, at least not on HNTR. Just take them one at a time.
Also, if you find the Trigun, you could just nuke the level.
--- End quote ---
Concerning the AoB, the way you speak about it... Apart from if's, have you actually done it? Cleared the Wall on AoB?
action52:
Nah. I've never gotten the Jackal on AoMr, and I haven't played AoB much yet... not even 10 games. But I think I'll put my money where my mouth is and make the Silver Brick my next goal. As soon as I finish my current game (Angel of Impatience) I'll be doing nothing but AoB for awhile. I'll post the mortem if I manage to pull it off.
Game Hunter:
I'm not saying that it should be hard...if you have the items necessary to do it. The exact same is true of AoP, after all: it can be really, really easy if you get a few lucky stairs early on and some homings. The problem comes from getting that luck in the first place...unlike just about every other silver medal, Brick Silver requires only a paltry amount of skill and a rather unproportionally large amount of luck.
- AoMr: Early uniques have vanishingly small chances and tend to be Cleaver more often than not (keep in mind only one of the three pistols will do it as is...early blaster is more likely but not by much, and Trigun will require invuln at JUST the right time).
- AoB: A guaranteed homing, sure, but it requires you to beat Hell's Arena (which requires some luck in the timing of enemy attacks, your knife properly two-hitting demons, and a sufficient number of health packs and armor to survive the guaranteed damage). Then you still require an average of two phase devices to properly make it to the other side of The Wall. I once had three phases and not one of them passed me to the other side of The Wall, even though the odds should be about 50%.
The Silver could be from the fact that all this luck has to occur relatively early, allowing you to restart prematurely and work the RNG faster until you get the desired results. AoB is more likely to give you better odds, having most of the luck occur before and during HA, but it's not much of a comfort knowing you still need a couple of phases and a decent teleport (ie, not die the second you make it to the other side) for a successful run. All in all it's a badge that isn't very fun to go for, just one that you'll "happen to get" eventually. The same can be said of just about every Diamond badge, but at least they're MEANT to be like that.
Lava Silver sure is annoying, though...I really don't feel like doing another AoMs run on HNTR, and there's almost no chance of me doing it on harder difficulties short of a nuke (if that even works).
glacialxice:
--- Code: ---DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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x, level 6 Demon Sergeant, killed by a baron of hell
on level 14 of the Phobos base.
He survived 50066 turns and scored 31626 points.
He played for 44 minutes and 5 seconds.
He didn't like it too rough.
He killed 260 out of 314 hellspawn. (82%)
He was an Angel of Marksmanship!
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Brick Silver Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health -3/50 Experience 15846/6
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +0 ToDmg Ranged +2 ToDmg Melee +2
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Son of a bitch (Level 2)
Son of a gun (Level 3)
Dualgunner (Level 1)
SoG->SoG->DG->SoG->SoB->SoB->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] blue armor [1/2] (32%)
[b] [ Weapon ] modified pistol (2d5) [4/6] (P1)
[c] [ Boots ] nothing
[d] [ Prepared ] pistol (2d4) [4/6]
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] blue armor [1/2] (46%)
[b] 10mm ammo (x10)
[c] 10mm ammo (x100)
[d] 10mm ammo (x100)
[e] small med-pack
[f] small med-pack
[g] small med-pack
[h] large med-pack
[i] phase device
[j] phase device
[k] thermonuclear bomb
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
84 former humans
35 former sergeants
8 former captains
51 imps
12 demons
40 lost souls
9 cacodemons
7 barons of hell
12 hell knights
2 arachnotrons
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 9 he found Hell's Armory.
On level 11 he witnessed the Wall.
He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 14 he finally was killed by a baron of hell.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You wear/wield : a blue armor [2/2] (100%)
There is a Computer Map lying here.
Everything seems clear now.
You open the door.
Fire -- Choose target... The barrel explodes! Boom!
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the baron of hell.
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the baron of hell.
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the baron of hell. The missile
hits the baron of hell.
The baron of hell uses a small med-pack. The baron of hell looks healthier!
You dualreload your guns!
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the imp. The imp dies.
You dodge! Boom!
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the baron of hell. The baron of
hell fires! You are hit! The barrel explodes! Your blue armor is
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
Before him 61 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
55 of those were killed.
And 4 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
Is he immortal? 2 souls claim to have killed him...
2 killed the bastard and survived.
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Well, i tried for the silver brick badge a few days ago and succeeded on the first attempt. Yes it is just a silver badge, but it has a good story behind it. Before attempting the wall i had a phase device, a homing phase device, five large med packs and two pistols. After phasing behind the wall i just lined the barons up by moving away from them, while they damaged themselves i pumped them full of lead and won in no time. However i was left with no med packs and very few defences. Sure enough i died soon after the wall, but at least i got the badge :)
action52:
Getting through Hell's Arena on AoB is proving much harder than I remembered it. I used to be able to get to the third round in most games, but I found myself having a hard time even making it to round 2. At first I thought it was just me, but then I remembered that demons got a buff in the new version. They really wear down your health now, making iut considerably harder to beat it in the new version. So I'm just skipping the Arena now. I figure the odds are better that way. Anyway I want to try and get some Berserk badges, so I'll keep pushing through the game and trying The Wall if I get there with more than one phase device. So far it hasn't hapened though.
Congratulations glacialxice! Personally, I always seemed to wind up getting killed whenever I tried for Silver on AoMr.
EDIT: I finally get a good run going--I'm on level 4, ready to run and get the chainsaw for the first time in a 0.9.9.1 AoB run, when I go berserk right next to the exit. I go to kill a sergeant, and he takes off 14% health in one shot! Seems I have been a victim of the infamous "berserker" bug in this version, where you don't get the defense bonus if your berserk status comes from the trait. *Sigh* Sorry guys, I think I'm going to call it quits on AoB unitl they get a bugfix out (and hopefully I'm more skilled at this damned game).
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