Topic: Wolf RL? (Read 20863 times)

Andrew Freeman · « **on:** September 09, 2006, 15:56 »

That's right, Wolfenstein RL.

I know I'll probably never see it, and I'm not sure why I'm so gun-ho about it, since it's essentially a dumbed-down version of Doom RL, but I still want it. Perhaps if one of us could get our hands on the Doom RL source code (wink wink, nudge nudge) this could happen.

What I see would make this different from Doom is there would be more stealth and conservation of ammo (there is only one type of ammo here!) Does anyone remember the really, really old version of Wolfenstein, before it was 3D? You had limited ammo and a few grenades, so you had to use your wits. I guess what I want to see is the original Wolfenstain plus the features and enemies implemented by Wolfenstain 3D.

This is what I see as far as enemies:

Guard: Your average Former Human. I remember from the game he went down with a single bullet -- That's my kind of enemy!

SS Troop: The Former Human Sergeant or Captain with a sub-machine gun. A bit more health.

Dog: Basically an itty-bitty demon. Isn't it cute? Also goes down with a bullet.

Mutant: Two pistols, fast firing rate; my childhood memories of these guys were painful.

Bosses: Remember the big beefy guys with grappling guns for hands? They could easily replace Hell Knights and Barons. Only every couple levels, mind!

I'm sure there were more. I think there might have been ninjas for some reason, as well as Hitler-ghosts and the Fueher himelf in his little robot suit!

In Wolf 3D, there were only three guns and a knife, as well as only one type of ammo. The origianl non-3d Wolf had grenades as well. Like I said before, maybe this one would rely a bit more on strategy than running in guns-a-blazing, since Guards and Dogs both easily fell to a single bullet each.

Anywho, I'm starting to ramble, so I'll throw this topicopen for discussion. I know I probably won't see this happen, at least not here, but tell me what you think!

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2006, 16:10 »

A great idea for Carceri I would say :). After DiabloRL I'll take a look at Carceri and see how i would fit ^_^

BTW, try those sites:
http://www.wolfenstein3d.co.uk/enemies.htm
http://www.geocities.com/grindmachine2000/

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2006, 16:30 »

Sweet! Thanks for the links; the last time I seriously played Wolfenstain I was 8! But what is Carceri?

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2006, 16:36 »

This might, or might not answer your question:
http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Carceri

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2006, 01:45 »

Kornel, I demand that you start working on Carceri!

Seriously though, here is a review of that old, old Wolfenstein I mentioned. If you want to play it, you need to download DOSbox first.

http://www.abandonia.com/games/en/390/CastleWolfenstein.htm

Malek Deneith · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2006, 09:40 »

Quoting: Andrew Freeman

Kornel, I demand that you start working on Carceri!

Shhhh! Don't disturb him! He has to finish DoomRL 0.9.9 and DiabloRL 0.5.0 first!

Santiago Zapata · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2006, 16:34 »

Quoting: Andrew Freeman

Seriously though, here is a review of that old, old Wolfenstein I mentioned. If you want to play it, you need to download DOSbox first.

Ahh... looks so roguelike-adaptable!

Hmm...

Jorge Alonso · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2006, 20:00 »

``id'' wanted to create an aliens3d, but by questions of copyrights, they could not do it; so, instead of wolfRL, aliensRL!

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2006, 20:06 »

AlienBreedRL is on my someday maybe project list :D

Derek · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2006, 20:46 »

Holy crap, and Aliens RL would be awesome! :O

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2006, 21:08 »

To tease you a little, here are some points from the ABRL design doc:
* directional line of sight (so you don't know if someone sneaks up from behind)
* enemies -- military robots gone wild and aliens (facehuggers, traditional, doglike, queen, invisible stalkers, etc)
* a black-green-gray style of the UI
* random tower layout (basing on Tower Assault)
* each tower with a different theme
* many weapons, each with a unique effect - pistol, shotgun, assault rifle, flamer
* cybernetics and terminal hacking

Ech...

Santiago Zapata · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2006, 00:07 »

Sounds cool! Is that your 7DRL? :P

*shuts up and hides* :P

hehe but yes... I will be there on october ... let's hope interesting projects arise!

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2006, 00:12 »

No, just a developed project idea :)

Yena · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2006, 05:28 »

howdee, i'm not very technical, etc etc
But I signed up here just to say I think wolfenstein is a far far better idea, i'm so nostalgic over that game - its just cute, lets face it, stealing nazi gold is far more amusing than killing aliens (although that is amusing also)

ok thats all :)
just wanted to put my vote in, since i'm lacking the technical skills to actually do anything about it myself!
Thanks!

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2006, 17:02 »

Quoting: Yena

howdee, i'm not very technical, etc etc
But I signed up here just to say I think wolfenstein is a far far better idea, i'm so nostalgic over that game - its just cute, lets face it, stealing nazi gold is far more amusing than killing aliens (although that is amusing also)

And I think it would fit nicely into the ASCII genre. Especialy Wolf3d with it's square shaped levels.

We welcome the first representative of the more beautiful side of mankind to the forum :).

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #15 on:** September 13, 2006, 18:07 »

What, more beautiful than me?

...

Wolfenstein defined the entire genre of FPS's. What better form to immortalize it than ASCII?

Psycho · « **Reply #16 on:** September 14, 2006, 23:33 »

I have always thought a WolfRL would be awsome, if you could sneak up on guards, and stuff.

I actually created a boardgame like that once, it was fun, really difficult for the escapee, but fun.

I would love to see Wolf as a RL, i am glad someone other than me thinks the same!

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2006, 23:38 »

I might do it as a 7DRL :).

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #18 on:** September 15, 2006, 10:58 »

Quoting: Psycho

I have always thought a WolfRL would be awsome, if you could sneak up on guards, and stuff.

I actually created a boardgame like that once, it was fun, really difficult for the escapee, but fun.

Really? Do you still have the rules and stuff? I'd love to give it a try!

Psycho · « **Reply #19 on:** September 15, 2006, 13:54 »

Yeah i do have the rules, for the board i had a gigantic graph paper which i cut up into rooms of varying sizes, i printed off some guards and stuff, all using the old wolf3d graphics. Its just homemade, so its not the fanciest, or most balanced, but it is fun.

The escapee almost always loses, just like in real life :)

I could send you the token pages and rules if i can find them on my PC.

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2006, 14:29 »

Please do! I'm eager to see it!

Edit: Ever since I read your post about the board game, I have started working on my own!

Psycho · « **Reply #21 on:** September 15, 2006, 18:12 »

Quoting: Andrew Freeman

Edit: Ever since I read your post about the board game, I have started working on my own!

Its always been a hobby of mine, im glad i inspired you, ill go look up (and rewrite the rules to be a bit more readable by people other than me) for you, expect an email in a few days, as im out camping this weekend.

Send me your rules if you ever finish yours!

Margo · « **Reply #22 on:** September 15, 2006, 23:56 »

Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz

We welcome the first representative of the more beautiful side of mankind to the forum :).

The first representative? I suppose, you missed somebody VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU. Yes, she posts here very rarely, but still SHE does!!!

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #23 on:** September 15, 2006, 23:59 »

Ooops, I'm gonna get killed ^_^

Santiago Zapata · « **Reply #24 on:** September 16, 2006, 17:22 »

Hahaha

Dont get mad at him Margo, it uses to happen! One tends to overlook what is more important for one self.

Specially when personal hobbies, like roguelikes are involved (yep yep... it happens to me a lot :D)

Margo · « **Reply #25 on:** September 16, 2006, 21:58 »

Quoting: Santiago Zapata

Dont get mad at him Margo, it uses to happen!

So I see that my dear poor little Kornel has his own personal spokesman ^_^. I'm afraid it won't help him much. Better advice him Slash, which flowers should he buy me tommorow. Otherwise he can't count on forbearance. And the nervous RLdeveloper amounts to NOT THE MOST EFFECTIVE RLdeveloper. Do you really want that, guys? ^_^

Psycho · « **Reply #26 on:** September 17, 2006, 22:45 »

I have thunk, and thought and done many other things, and i have decided

WolfRl could be done by your truly

Remember though
Im 15 with no coding experience whatsoever

I plan to use either
Visual Basic (my freind knows some, w00t)
or Freepascal

However, i must inquire, what is ValkaiteCMS library (or similar)
would it be easy to use?

I did half of a Design Doc for this and so far i have these "features"

-Weapons of diffrent strength (persay, 1 pistol might have 4 attack, whilst another might have 5, and so on)

-7 or 8 diffrent enemies, and 3 diffrent bosses (30 levles altogether)

-6 Weapons (i beleive)

3-5 Diffrent Level types

-2 diffrent ways to play, you could go stealth, or Gunz-a-blazin'

Definetly some sort of alarm system.

so, there you have it, if someone can point me to some sort of coding engine i can easily learn and use, i will create said roguelike (by Create i mean start and PROBABLY not finish.)

If Kornel or anyone else completes it before i do, good idea, id much rather play it than create it, as i have other, more important things to do (such as Homework!)

Thanks all

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #27 on:** September 20, 2006, 12:44 »

I admire your gumption (whatever that is), but I have a few ideas from I had from studying the game for the last couple days.

1. The Pistol, Machine Gun, and Caingun all used the same ammo and dealt the same damage. The only thing that changed was the rate of fire.

2. In the original, non-3d WOlfenstein, there were grenades and enemy uniforms you could wear.

3. In the Mac version of Wolf 3D, there were two extra weapons- the flame thrower, which ran on gas, and the rocket launcher, which used rockets.

Also, I'm gonna repost a link Kornel gave me.
http://www.wolfenstein3d.co.uk/enemies.htm

And here is one I found.
http://www.mac-archive.com/wolfenstein/index.html

Question, what enemies are you thinking about? Because I can only think of 5 different enemies -- the rest are bosses and special level enemies.

Psycho · « **Reply #28 on:** September 20, 2006, 13:24 »

i was thinking of making it with a few more enemies and weapons for the sake of variety

For enemies i was thinking prison guard, Brownshirt Guard, Guard Dog, SS Guard, SS stormtrooper, and zombies.

The prison guard is a weaker version of the Brownshirt, and the SS guard is an actual guard, whereas the SS stromtrooper will storm the level if an alarm is set off

as for weapons, i was looking at pistol Machinegun, Chaingun (of course) With a Kar98k, Sturmrifle, and Grenades

I own the original game, i should be fine, i just wanted to have more variety. Im planning on having the same ammo for Pistol Machinegun and Chaingun, and the same ammo for Kar98k and the sturmrifle (Sturmrifle is the first ever assault rifle btw)

I also have the original non 3d Wolfenstein.

Im not sure about uniforms, im thinking no, the only way you could get them is off a dead guard, and to get them you have to kill him, and i think people would notice a bit stab rip in the uniform ;)

As for bosses, i plan to have Hans Gross, Dr. Shcabbs and Hitler, there will be 3 "episodes" of 10 levels each, im not sure about secret levels.

No lives, 1 death only

For level types im planning
1. Jail
2.Generic "castle"
3. Armory
4. Kitchen
5. Lab

Santiago Zapata · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2006, 15:48 »

Quoting: Psycho

Im 15 with no coding experience whatsoever

I admire your will, but I suggest you to make a smaller game before going into this, just so the oportunity is not wasted ;)

I wouldnt recommend Visual Basic

Quoting: Psycho

what is ValkaiteCMS library

ValkirieCMS is a top-notch web tool used to generate high quality roguelike websites..

.. now... 'Carceri' is (will be?) a data driven roguelike engine which I hope doesnt get corrupted by unneeded LUA crap, with which you will be able to create all sorts of fun themed roguelikes without needing to code.

Quoting: Psycho

if someone can point me to some sort of coding engine i can easily learn and use,

Java is a pretty nice coding engine, you may want to give it a look at http://java.sun.com or tutorials around the web

Quoting: Psycho

Create i mean start and PROBABLY not finish.

Thats not the spirit! :/

Psycho · « **Reply #30 on:** September 21, 2006, 23:45 »

Quoting: Santiago Zapata

I admire your will, but I suggest you to make a smaller game before going into this, just so the oportunity is not wasted ;)

I wouldnt recommend Visual Basic

Well, this is going to be "small" as it is, for i have planned a much larger Project

Whats Wrong with visual basic?

Quoting: Santiago Zapata

Java is a pretty nice coding engine, you may want to give it a look at http://java.sun.com or tutorials around the web

Ill give that a look today

Quoting: Santiago Zapata

Thats not the spirit! :/

Lawl, twas jokes!

Andrew Freeman · « **Reply #31 on:** September 22, 2006, 13:18 »

Good, now that we have Wolfenstein RL on its way, who wants to start working on MARIO RL?! Anyone?

Yena · « **Reply #32 on:** September 22, 2006, 14:10 »

Bugger mario mate - bring on alex the kidd!

(am trying to make my posts more ambiguous, first one was apparently a tad overtly girly, i think i've done a 'bang up job'....)

Yena · « **Reply #33 on:** September 22, 2006, 14:15 »

brainwave people, somehow get the alex the kid music/backing track as the soundtrack...

doesn't exactly fit, but it could be passed off as some sort of artistic statement about being desensitised to violence through playing rl games which treat people as objects....

thats deep

and we get to enjoy alex the kid!

(and i am sooo about to get myself flamed out of this programmer's forum, excellent work)

Kornel Kisielewicz · « **Reply #34 on:** September 22, 2006, 17:51 »

The only further remakes I consider are FalloutRL, AlienBreedRL, WolfRL, and EliteRL :-P.

Santiago Zapata · « **Reply #35 on:** September 22, 2006, 18:31 »

Well, at least you are not considering one of my possible OOMG7DRL :D

My question is if I should make another remake or an original idea :P

bfg9001 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2006, 00:59 »

Actually.... I've looked at the source code for W3d and the weapons actually do deal out different levels of damage, with the pistol being the least and the chaingun being the greatest.

Psycho · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2006, 02:03 »

Quoting: Santiago Zapata

Java is a pretty nice coding engine, you may want to give it a look at http://java.sun.com or tutorials around the web

Which program do i download?

As for damage, im thiking that if you score a hit, it will say which bit of the body you hit, and deal damage accordingly

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