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Quick questions thread!
Tormuse:
Oh, hey! Lots of old, unanswered questions here! :o I guess no one's been paying attention to these forums in a while. :|
--- Quote from: iainuki on April 28, 2020, 15:16 ---I've watched the videos of Tormuse and frozenca/papilio doing Hell Arena on UV/N! with a pistol or melee weapon, but in trying to replicate them, I've completely failed. When I looked at the mortems, though, they and other people seem to be able to do Hell Arena in AoB/AoMr on UV/N!. However, every time I try I end up running out of HP and dying. What's the trick to it?
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Who the heck did Hell's Arena in AoB Nightmare? :o I've only done that once in a previous version of DRL, and it was due to incredible luck. If anyone figures out how to do that with some level of consistency, I hope they'll share their secret. :P (Same goes for UV, though to a lesser degree)
Hell's Arena in AoMr is a lot more manageable, though. The basic strategy is to corner-shoot the Cacodemons, using the pillars as cover, then (if it's Nightmare) stack the Demon corpses on top of them. (That goes double for the Barons; you don't want to face them twice; in fact, on a few occasions, I would stand on the Baron body to make sure it doesn't respawn until I could be sure I could get a Demon on it; it might even be worth letting a Cacodemon shoot you while you're standing on it to destroy it, rather than face a respawned Baron) Once the Cacodemon bodies are all eliminated, the Demons are comparably much easier to deal with. You might want to consider getting a level of Hellrunner, so you can outwalk the Demons, which helps maneuver them into corpse-stacking positions.
One thing to keep in mind is that no matter how good your strategy is, you have to expect to die a lot. Behind every one of my victorious mortems, there are a hundred or more dead Doomguys. If you die, just take it as experience for next time.
--- Quote from: iainuki on May 27, 2020, 21:57 ---In some of Tormuse's mortems for AAoRA, I've seen that that he's visited Hell's Armory at least. I know how to do Deimos Lab in AAoRA, but I haven't figured out the trick to getting to the important parts of Hell's Armory in time. What's the trick?
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It's been a while since I watched my video of that, but I don't think I got to the "important" parts of Hell's Armory. I just dipped in there for a bit of extra experience and kills. Without a lucky phase or liberal rocket-jumping, I don't see how you could do it.
--- Quote from: CrashGordon94 on January 17, 2021, 17:59 ---Anyone got any basic strategy stuff for:
• Angel of Pacifism
• Angel of Red Alert
• Angel of Confidence/Overconfidence
?
These ones aren't covered on the wiki, or I wouldn't bother you guys here.
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AoPc is a pretty luck-based challenge, but generally, use lots of running and move in a zig-zag pattern to help dodge enemy fire. (You're more likely to dodge if your path is perpendicular to enemy fire) This pretty much applies to any DRL game, of course, but especially for AoPc, because your goal is to just get the heck out of there while taking as little damage as possible.
For AoRA, I recommend taking any traits that boost your speed, (getting HR first would be good) and find the exit as soon as possible. Once you find the exit, remember where it is and try to gauge how many enemies it's safe to kill with your remaining time. Remember, no kills or equipment are worth dying to the nuke, so exit when you have to.
AoC/AoOC... really, tactics that work on any other level/challenge just apply extra here. Be especially mindful of cover and corner-shooting. One of the nice things about these challenges is that encountering the bigger enemies sooner means you level up faster, so at least you've got that going for you. :)
CrashGordon94:
That definitely makes sense, I could see how Hellrunner first would be good. I had been going Intuition first for the sake of seeing where powerups to heal and sometimes maps where but that's obvious a bit chance-y on whether it'd work out.
For Red Alert, I was definitely thinking a Master that would mesh with Hellrunner, like Blademaster, Gun Kata, Fireangel or so on.
For Pacifist, definitely going Masterless, Hellrunner/Dodgermaster, Tough as Nails and Ironman seeming to be solid choices for obvious reasons (plus probably still Intuition.
Also maybe a strange note but for the latter I had a thought of sometimes visiting special levels just since I'd know exactly where the stairs are even without stair-sense.
Confidence/Overconfidence, I was thinking it should be a skill line that "takes off" quickly since there are fewer levels to gain. And not using a Pistol or Melee build (due to how those tend to have a weaker start and in the latter case I can't get the Chainsaw).
apalapan:
--- Quote from: CrashGordon94 on February 10, 2021, 10:11 ---Confidence/Overconfidence, I was thinking it should be a skill line that "takes off" quickly since there are fewer levels to gain. And not using a Pistol or Melee build (due to how those tend to have a weaker start and in the latter case I can't get the Chainsaw).
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Melee build can work on AoOverconfidence. You start with Assault Shotty, Minigun, their respective ammo boxes, and a combat knife.
You level up like crazy on Hell 1, enough to at least get Berserker. After that, you can immediately go to Unholy Cathedral, and if you find at least one Red Armor, maybe one bulk or power mod, and can bring plenty of healing items, you can defeat the Angel of Death easily.
Of course you need tons of luck to get the perfect run going, but since this is AoOc, you don't lose much time if you die on Hell 1 or UC.
If you complete UC, you get the Longinus Spear, so you don't need the chainsaw anyways.
And I know that this is all possible, because just today I used AoOc to cheese getting Azrael's Spear (since getting 100% kills this way counts and is almost required anyway). This was done on HMP difficulty.
Hell, while writing this comment, I got a silly idea, one thing lead to another, and I've just completed AoB+AoOC on N!
My point is, Melee is a good choice as any other on AoOC.
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Here's are my quick question: what's a good approach to complete Ao100/666 with a melee build?
Tormuse:
--- Quote from: apalapan on February 11, 2021, 20:58 ---Here's are my quick question: what's a good approach to complete Ao100/666 with a melee build?
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All the melee builds except Blademaster block Eagle Eye, so you'll probably be relying pretty heavily on your shotgun for the early game until you can level yourself up enough and get enough equipment to switch over to using melee exclusively. Armour gets shredded a lot in melee, so you'll probably want something indestructible. Nanofiber red armour will do, which only takes a power mod and a bulk mod, so it's very doable, but something that protects against melee damage like the ballistic vest, duelist armour, or phaseshift suit are even better. (I suppose gothic armour works too, but that slows you down, which can be deadly in a melee game, where you have to close distance quickly)
--- Quote from: CrashGordon94 on February 10, 2021, 10:11 ---For Red Alert, I was definitely thinking a Master that would mesh with Hellrunner, like Blademaster, Gun Kata, Fireangel or so on.
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A while back, I got Quartermaster Angelic badge with a Gunrunner build, combined with Shottyman. Obviously, it took a long time to get going, but basically, I was able to move, fire, and reload at the same time, which was a real time-saver. :)
--- Quote from: CrashGordon94 on February 10, 2021, 10:11 ---For Pacifist, definitely going Masterless, Hellrunner/Dodgermaster, Tough as Nails and Ironman seeming to be solid choices for obvious reasons (plus probably still Intuition.
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Another option you might want to consider (if you don't mind making do without Hellrunner) is a Survivalist build. It helps you tank a lot more damage while also getting more benefit from large med packs. I did it once in an ArchAngel of Pacifism game, but I would not recommend copying my technique there; that was an exceptionally lucky game. :P
CrashGordon94:
@ Apalapan:
Actually very interesting point with Melee plus AoOC, I'll have to keep that in mind!
Probably won't work AS well with AoCo since your strategy centres around jumping quickly into the Unholy Cathedral.
For there my biggest thing was jumping straight into the special level (HOPEFULLY it's Hell's Amory... But even if not, I'll roll the dice with Deimos Lab because I don't have much to lose at that point), maybe after clearing out the level but if I'm struggling against the enemies I'll "escape" there.
For there I was usually aiming for Scavenger (maybe I can cheese the rare mod to fill out my assembly list... But it's hard to do well in combat with just Eagle Eye) but I might consider Cateye (Intuition is a great early pick and whatever rare mod will absolutely help with a rapid fire build).
@ Tormuse:
Honestly I'd never really given Gunrunner and Survivalist much thought at all.
I can certainly see the benefit of the former for going speedy in general, plus I suppose I can minor in Pistols easily if needed. :P
For th latter, it doesn't sound super impressive in general but yeah, the conditions of Pacifist seem suited to make it have a point. I'm open enough to skipping Hellrunner for it. The thing is, I trust that it's a really good skill but it's one of those where I don't SEE it doing its thing as much as others so I don't feel too bad about the idea of skipping it.
This talk has me wanting to give this all a try again, honestlty. :P
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