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thelaptop:
Don't kill the newbie with overkill, Aki. =)
That said, if anything, melee builds are actually pretty overpowered, especially so when you are not in a challenge that limits yourself to using only melee weapons.
If you are running into ammo issues, I believe it's because you are carrying too many varieties of secondary weapons and/or "useless junk". You don't really need multiple pistols, nor should you carry pistols + chainguns + shotguns + rocket launchers + plasma rifles. Just pick 2 to 3 of the lot -- one wall breecher, one "scouter" and one mid/long range plinker. You should also consider moving in for the kill, given that you are specialising in melee after all.
Most weapons need additional traits to make them truly shine, so don't expect to be killing things with say the combat shotgun when you are on MBm. You should really consider making more use of your master trait.
If you are not comfortable with a hybrid approach of using ranged weapons to scout and melee to kill, perhaps you should try a different build. Some master traits are very overpowered, but only if you exploit them to the fullest. If not, you'll just get YASD.
Aki:
--- Quote from: thelaptop on October 15, 2013, 20:18 ---Don't kill the newbie with overkill, Aki. =)
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Haha, i'll try not to in future @_@
--- Quote ---That said, if anything, melee builds are actually pretty overpowered, especially so when you are not in a challenge that limits yourself to using only melee weapons.
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I'd say that the further the game goes on, the better melee gets. For example, the first few levels with melee are "hell". After you get the chainsaw it's not bad if you have some perks in brute, but then you actually have to close the gap to your enemies - which can get you shot up pretty bad - and then actually melee them and deal with their melee damage. After you get the LS or Scythe you can go around with your gibstick and berserking and stuff like that, but you still need to be careful - berserk isn't the invulnerability globe it once used to be, even with a good set of armor you'll find your hp drain really quickly against an archvile pack if you charge straight in. I think it would be overpowered if berserk was any more potent, but considering the amount of skill you need with it along with the investment, I don't think it is.
That's from a UV/N! perspective though, where you start encountering cacodemons and hell knights on dlevel 3. On HNTR and HMP I don't think you face anything worse then a demon until the Anomaly, and by then you'll probably be something like level 6-8 making the balance a little wonkier.
--- Quote ---If you are not comfortable with a hybrid approach of using ranged weapons to scout and melee to kill, perhaps you should try a different build. Some master traits are very overpowered, but only if you exploit them to the fullest. If not, you'll just get YASD.
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And that can pretty much sum up melee builds in general too - otherwise, AoB wouldn't be such a hard challenge :p
White Rider:
--- Quote from: Out0fAmmo on October 15, 2013, 13:37 ---So I just did my second run on Ao100 as a Scout with MBm. Levels 1-60 weren't too bad, but at some point during 60s, things became much harder. I died on level 74 after using an emergency phase device which only landed me in more monsters. The thing is, I was stuck with a stupid chainsword the whole time because no chainsaws or other melee weapons aside from knives dropped (I had other weapons, of course, but ran into ammo issues).
Was I just really unlucky with the RNG, or do we really only get knives during Ao100? If that's the case, I'm questioning the potential of a melee build.
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60+ floors without seeing a Butcher's Cleaver? That ain't right.
Aki:
--- Quote from: White Rider on October 15, 2013, 21:29 ---60+ floors without seeing a Butcher's Cleaver? That ain't right.
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Seems pretty right to me, I don't recall getting a cleaver in a few Ao100 games i've played and certainly not in quite a few regular wins i've done. It's all luck.
White Rider:
--- Quote from: Aki on October 15, 2013, 21:44 ---Seems pretty right to me, I don't recall getting a cleaver in a few Ao100 games i've played and certainly not in quite a few regular wins i've done. It's all luck.
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Naw, that ain't right. I've always found a Cleaver within the first half of 100 runs.
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