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Author Topic: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold  (Read 7821 times)

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Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« on: May 06, 2011, 10:52 »

As it stands, to get the Lightfoot Gold Badge, you need to complete an Angel of Light Travel game on Nightmare!. This seems wrong, as it means there's at least one Platinum badge - UAC Platinum - which is strictly easier to get than at least one Gold badge.

With this in mind, I'd reduce the requirement to completing Angel of Light Travel on Ultra-Violence, and if anyone really cares, add Lightfoot Platinum with the same requirements as the current Lightfoot Gold. (Honestly this is probably going to be more of a discussion point than an added feature which actually affects me, it'll be ages before I feel ready to take on Ultra-Violence in the general case...)
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 12:46 »

It's been the case for a long time that the badge tiers overlap.

That said, having a Gold badge invoke N! difficulty does seem Just. Plain. Wrong.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 13:57 »

Agreed. Current situation is just silly.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2011, 00:15 »

Considering how easy AoLT is, I'd say the solution isn't just to bump it down to UV and call it a day. Even something like "Beat UV AoLT without master traits" would fit a bit better and introduce a slightly more interesting challenge to the non-diamond badge levels.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2011, 01:50 »

AoLT victories on either UV or N! have not been posted in the mortems since 0.9.8.10 which would says that it isn't much fun to play. There are a few examples from before that but obviously gameplay has changed quite a bit since then.

As for the Gold difficulty idea, I think its probably fine the way it is. If we say 'No N! Gold Badges' then should we also try to 'fix' the handful of gold badges that have low difficulty requirements? True, it seems logical to want to normalize difficulty and badge levels, I think it leads to a more generic advancement experience.

Side Note: I've never gotten this badge either.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2011, 02:14 »

Should we remove AoLT altogether?
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2011, 02:25 »

Should we remove AoLT altogether?

I'm in favor of that.
The idea of inventory constraint seems more of a holdover from when the game was much more simple.
Similar to the fate of Angel of Darkness
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2011, 04:06 »

Should we remove AoLT altogether?
Personally, I think I have played at most 2 games of AoLT.  Given the current increase in complexity of the game, I suggest that we give more incentive for people to play AoLT as an alternative to complete removal of the mode: give a speed boost to Doomguy so that AoLT plays like 0.9.9.0.  Think about it, you are travelling with half your backpack size, surely you should be moving faster?
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2011, 05:10 »

I'd be all for removing AoLT if it was replaced with a more interesting challenge. Or, if AoLT's conditions could be changed to make it more interesting within the light travel theme, that would also be good.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 05:13 »

A speed boost would make the game easier. However, how about a more drastic reduction of inventory size (like 6-7) *and* a visible speed boost?

Or even in a more tactical change -- remove armor penalties from AoLT?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2011, 05:15 by Kornel Kisielewicz »
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2011, 05:25 »

If we say 'No N! Gold Badges' then should we also try to 'fix' the handful of gold badges that have low difficulty requirements?
I specifically think that the "Complete Angel of X" badges should not demand that you play at the difficulty setting of the next tier's UAC Badge. Lightfoot Gold is the only "Complete Angel of X" badge to do so. (Lightfoot Silver demands HMP, but that's OK, because UAC Silver also demands HMP, and UAC Gold demands UV.)

Kornel: I wouldn't say you should remove AoLT, but I wouldn't say you shouldn't, and I wouldn't miss it if you did.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2011, 12:10 »

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Similar to the fate of Angel of Darkness

I liked this idea. Kinda miss it.

Maybe you could find a way to combine light travel and darkness modes for a more interesting challenge mode?
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2011, 00:29 »

Subjective overlap between tiers depending on your skill set I have no problem with; it's just there is no possible way in which a challenge mode on N! can be easier than a normal run on N! the way Light Travel currently is.

Or you could just remove/drastically change AoLT, having the current form of the challenge doesn't add much to a normal game.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2011, 14:27 »

Weapons and armor are heavy, right? So make it that AoLT can only carry your currently equipped armor and weapons. If you pick up a new weapon or armor, it auto-equips, just like the first time you get the chainsaw.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of Lightfoot Gold
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 01:33 »

Weapons and armor are heavy, right? So make it that AoLT can only carry your currently equipped armor and weapons. If you pick up a new weapon or armor, it auto-equips, just like the first time you get the chainsaw.
Me votes for it. I'd also suggest not allowing to carry two non-pistol guns.
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