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Fortunato:
Good God! I have tried AoB, and it took about 6 or 7 games to reach the Chained Court; even then, I lost on level 9, shot by an unseen monster as I was beating up an imp (Don't you hate it when that happens?). This mode is bloody hard! Even with the chainsaw, demons make remarkably hard foes in melee, and sergeants remain an ever-present threat. I picked Brute three times in a row. Some people suggest picking Tough as Nails after 1 level of Brute. Is this what you would recommend as well?

Adral:

--- Quote from: Fortunato on December 13, 2006, 17:37 ---Good God! I have tried AoB, and it took about 6 or 7 games to reach the Chained Court; even then, I lost on level 9, shot by an unseen monster as I was beating up an imp (Don't you hate it when that happens?). This mode is bloody hard! Even with the chainsaw, demons make remarkably hard foes in melee, and sergeants remain an ever-present threat. I picked Brute three times in a row. Some people suggest picking Tough as Nails after 1 level of Brute. Is this what you would recommend as well?

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Truth is, AoB is actually easier than normal game, at least for me. My best results have been on AoB both dying to an unknown bug that closed my game unexpectedly without even auto-saving my progress, but both times in level 22+, which is more than my level 17 record in normal game :).

Getting to the Chained Court is VERY difficult, but once you have the Chainsaw, everything should be much easier... and when you have the Spoily One, you'll be next to invincible.

I'll give you some advice that was given to me by someone in the IRC (to the one that helped me: I'm really sorry, but I can't remember your name right now! But thank you very much!). My advice is to use the large medpacks at the right time to get the berserker bonus, and to move in coward towards the monsters making a zig-zag pattern in order to maximize dodging. Also, the trait order he told me to do (and it was an effective one, at least when I used it) was:

Brute->Brute->Berserker->Tan->Berserker->Tan->etc.

Keep in mind that being berserk adds a bonus to damage reduction (or so I was told, and I think he's right).

Fortunato:
Adral, you're right. I've tried AoB again, this time with better traits and proper use of tactics, and it's quite easy once you get the chainsaw. In fact, I've never felt this powerful in a game of Doom RL! Even those ever-annoying cacodemons fall in two or three blows to my mighty chainsaw. The trick, of course, is reaching them quickly. This is why I was considering to pick Hellrunner; or is Berserker a better choice (Until now, I have TaN 2 and Brute 2)?

Ugm:

--- Quote from: Adral on December 14, 2006, 05:09 ---Truth is, AoB is actually easier than normal game, at least for me. My best results have been on AoB both dying to an unknown bug that closed my game unexpectedly without even auto-saving my progress, but both times in level 22+, which is more than my level 17 record in normal game :).

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What level of difficulty are you talking about? After easy winning on Medium, I lost numerous dozens of characters trying to get to Chained Court on higher levels. It's extremely difficult on Hard and I didn't even try it on Ultra-Violence. It's very unbalanced mode for now, because meeting demon before CC often equals death and it shouldn't so. If just knife was better (and somehow guaranteed)... or if you could survive without Brute as the first trait (TaN or Hellrunner would help).


--- Quote from: Adral ---Also, the trait order he told me to do (and it was an effective one, at least when I used it) was:

Brute->Brute->Berserker->Tan->Berserker->Tan->etc.

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What about IM? Do you take it when you get to 'etc.'? ;)
Is Berseker that useful? I was quite disappointed when I took it. Shouldn't it be boosted a bit (percentage)?

Adral:

--- Quote from: Ugm on December 14, 2006, 09:23 ---
What level of difficulty are you talking about? After easy winning on Medium, I lost numerous dozens of characters trying to get to Chained Court on higher levels. It's extremely difficult on Hard and I didn't even try it on Ultra-Violence. It's very unbalanced mode for now, because meeting demon before CC often equals death and it shouldn't so. If just knife was better (and somehow guaranteed)... or if you could survive without Brute as the first trait (TaN or Hellrunner would help).


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Well, I guess I should have specified I only have played on Medium so far, so I don't really know if it is impossible on higher difficulty levels ;)


--- Quote from: Ugm on December 14, 2006, 09:23 ---
What about IM? Do you take it when you get to 'etc.'? ;)
Is Berseker that useful? I was quite disappointed when I took it. Shouldn't it be boosted a bit (percentage)?

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Last time I did this, I only picked up TaN and Berserker, but I guess IM makes sense too, as well a level on Hellrunner (that perhaps should be buffed a bit too, but that is another discussion). I guess it really depends on your play style and your items so far. Note that I haven't won the game even a single time, so perhaps I'm not the best person to ask about these things :P

As you say, Berserker perhaps should be upped a bit on percentage, because to really notice it you must spend 2/3 levels (4% is a really slim chance). However, when surrounded by (weak) monsters, like in the Unholy Cathedral, it is almost guaranteed to get a berserk stance.

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