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[bardysya]

Hi there! I just want to know - Does the DoomRL have any translations on different languages. I'm sure, if this game  be translated, there will be more fans of the game. So, at first, I'm from Kazakhstan, and we talk in russian. So, I can traslate this game on russian language, it wouldn't be very hard for me. At second, I think, we need people, who can speak other languages, and then translate the game on other languages.
P.S. Sorry, if I have grammatical mistakes, I just learn to speak english.
OK, we've got people to translate, at least people. I just make a little list of languages and translators:

Klear, ZicherCZ - Czech
Parasait - Dutch
Bardysya, you, motorheadbanger, ckopo - Russian
Kashi - Spanish

At future, I think, the list will be supplemented. But now it is all we have

[Motorheadbanger]

I can help with it, too.

[Klear]

If there was some sort of translation effort, I could help with Czech.

[bardysya]

Ok, now we got at least two more people. Maybe I'll do the list with member and language he'll work with? But the first thing we need, is all text from DoomRL.

[ParaSait]

Actually this is a good idea.
I could translate to Dutch.

[you]

Can help with Russian.

[thelaptop]

Good grassroots work everyone, but this will need Kornel to first stringify Valkyrie so that we can do the internationalisation efforts.  I think I might have talked to him about this before, and maybe he might implement it.

But it's not going to be that soon though, so everyone, hold on to your hats!  =)

[Klear]

I figured this would be the case. Whenever translations become possible and if I'm still around, I'll be glad to help.

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

There are actually two separate problems here. First is the character map -- even if using UTF, I need the character map to fit into a single texture. While this won't be a problem in 80-90% cases, it might prove difficult for (e.g) Mandarin Chinese. That also means that the engine will have to operate on two string types -- internal ASCII strings for handling lua, xml etc, and UTF for handling displayed messages and text. I only barely know how to handle UTF in pascal, and even less how to make Lua play along.

The latter can be very easy or extremely hard depending on the language in question -- many messages in DoomRL are constructed on the fly (The former human uses a large medpack! The former human looks healthier!) -- those require at least some basic grammar rules, and I know that (for example) translating that sentence to non-broken Polish would take a lot of work including implementation of full declination tables...

So... hints?

[RSO]

The latter can be very easy or extremely hard depending on the language in question -- many messages in DoomRL are constructed on the fly (The former human uses a large medpack! The former human looks healthier!) -- those require at least some basic grammar rules, and I know that (for example) translating that sentence to non-broken Polish would take a lot of work including implementation of full declination tables...

I'm probably misunderstanding the problem, but I don't think you'd need to code anything for grammar - just use replaceable tokens. "The %unit% uses a %item%". For languages with different word orders, the tokens would just need to be placed in a different order in the template string.

...Though I can see how things like a/an (in English) or noun-verb gender agreement in certain languages could still cause problems.

[ZicherCZ]

If there was some sort of translation effort, I could help with Czech.

If any translation is going to happen, I can add my Czech language skills :).
I can already imagine that diacritics can be a problem, but I believe that the game would be understandable even without them. Declination would be a much tougher nut to crack in Czech (quite similar to Polish) t - without declination, the texts would probably sound very awkward ...

[Motorheadbanger]

I can't think about any big issues with Russian on the second thing.

[bardysya]

I can't think about any big issues with Russian on the second thing.

Yes, because just some words would have sound kinda strange, but if we can competently replace this words in similar, we'll get very good translationof the game.
P.S. Maybe it is suitable for other languages?

[HexaDoken]

Well, we at Russia quite got used to translation error due to messages being constructed on the flight. For example, something that would sound to you like "You no in stairs", horribly wrong but understandable, is pretty much what we get every time when we play a translated game which uses constructing messages on the fly. I believe that some other countries got used to this thing too.

Also, is it just me or the majority of people here are russians?

And, of course, I can help with russian translation too, but I doubt that will be needed given the amount of people who voulentereed before me.

[Motorheadbanger]

HexaDoken, as for me, I think that loсalizers should do better work then something like this. I also hate when this happens, so now I use mostly software in English.