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[ultimate26]

I dont understand why we get a 2nd BFG after the halls of carnage, I feel like i am working too hard on that level without getting any relevant reward...

skulls are disposable so i dont see them as such a big deal besides being semi conditionally useful in the mortuary.

Why dont we get something like a "Staff of skulls"

Same fatigue consuming staff like arena masters except when you trigger it, it gives you the effect of a random skull.

everytime you use it, it consumes your stamina.

otherwise i feel like skipping this level.

[Pricklyman]

Why dont we get something like a "Staff of skulls"
Same fatigue consuming staff like arena masters except when you trigger it, it gives you the effect of a random skull.
everytime you use it, it consumes your stamina.
otherwise i feel like skipping this level.

I don't disagree at all - but...

The XP you get from City of Skulls is reasonably significant - due to the amount of (already spawned) enemies.
The second BFG can be used to hold power cells - moreso if you slap B mods on.
That Staff sounds really OP, simply as a gibber of corpses.

I do think that City of Skulls needs a nerf - either in difficulty or in increase of rewards...

[Ashannar]

At the very least, it'd be nice if there were more shells to replace the ones you lose clearing the level.

[spacedust]

If the change to number of shells found is made (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5382.0.html), that would sort out the replenishment of shells somewhat.

[Zalminen]

I agree with the OP.

Earlier the only situations when I even tried clearing City of Skulls was 1) Vampyre build 2) trying for Conqueror.
In any other case it just wasn't worth the effort.

After the Vampyre changes I've just skipped the level unless I'm using it as a AoPc shortcut...

[Zecks]

But the vampyre change was reverted for now??? :>

[Zalminen]

Ah, I must have missed that. I've been chasing other badges so it's a long time since I've done a Vampyre build.

[Ander Hammer]

How many shells do you burn through in City of Skulls? I've done it with shotguns a few times and never ended up with ammo problems in the end.

Pistol and non-mAC rapid builds, on the other hand...

[Pricklyman]

How many shells do you burn through in City of Skulls? I've done it with shotguns a few times and never ended up with ammo problems in the end.

Enough - enough to feel like there should be more shells dropped...

[ultimate26]

by the time i get to City of skulls, i have 5-6 stacks of 70 plasma, along with hyperblaster and almost no ammo for anything else.

I dont want to burn my plasma on skulls :(

On top of that i had a focused double shotty which did not had the wide spread i needed... died with a really good character because of my "Must do all special levels" mentality.

[AlterAsc]

I believe rewards correspond with the difficulty - so no cheese for easy level.

[Sirdec]

Let's assume HNTR, that gives us 43 Souls and 5 Pain Elemental if the wiki is still correct and a tactical shotgun, THE shotgun to carry around.

At 5 shells per elemental, we will use 25. The souls an elemental spawns are mostly killed during a shotgun blast, but let's say each elemental manages to still spawn 3 souls we have to deal with.

43 souls + 15 = 58. That's another 58 shells at 1 per soul, this is calculated veryyyyyyyyyy large here.

Thus 58 + 25 = 83 shells used.

If my memory is good there are 7 or 8 stacks of shells in the level  7 * 8 = 56.

For a net loss of 27 shells before the agony elemental spawns.


It's clearly not as bad ammo wise as you make it sound, if planning on use shotguns at all, 2 stacks should be caried at all times imo. And it's not like there aren't power cells either. The level is very easy unless on AoMr, AoB can be tricky as well as some other angels.

[ultimate26]

Can we just have better rewards please?

Getting surrounded by Skulls is never fun :(

Rocket jump/phase device

Otherwise, massive loss of health anyways.

[Pricklyman]

<Calculations>

I would like to point out that a) Most pain elementals will spawn more than one set of souls...

and b) The agony elemental will use another AT LEAST 50 shells, to kill him and all the crap he spawns...

[Ashannar]

Yeah, plus 8 shells minimum per pain elemental, not 5.