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LuckyDee:

--- Quote from: Sylith on August 22, 2012, 12:34 ---what's so not-straight in her last answer
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Well, everything, really. It's not an answer to the question Lazerus asked, it's diverting attention away from the question by focusing on something else Lazerus said and then turning the situation around again, thereby laying the initiative back at Lizardface. That's exactly the reason why he gets fed up: the Seer doesn't answer questions, she dances around them and has others give the answers for her.

This is Lazerus' train of thought, and regardless of what others think or feel, it feels totally natural and valid to me. I kinda like it, really.

On the other hand, I thought you were actually consciously playing the character like this. Both Lazerus and I could be wrong, but luckily that's no reason to stop and change course :)

Sylith:

--- Quote ---Well, everything, really. It's not an answer to the question Lazerus asked
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So what answer would you give to question like that? An example, please. Because I can't imagine. Laz based the question on the "must do" of hers and thinking she's bluffing - which makes it totally wrong, if there is no "must do" nor bluff, so she corrected that. It's like... "So why do you like potatoes?" - "I don't." ( - "How can you not know why do you like potatoes?")
It's Laz, who's "dancing around questions", not asking straight, making an assumptions and trying to read between the lines while there's nothing to read. She just gave you some strange nicknames, anything else seems pretty clear to me. She said she can help a few times before already - just ask - but there is no straight question like "where can we find this guy?" etc. She's not gonna read your mind to impose with her help, if that's what's you're expecting.

LuckyDee:
The only answer I'm expecting is something along the lines of "Van Bohr sent you to me / I know you are Acolytes". If she can't or won't say, Lazerus definitely won't be the first to flash his badge. It's like going to a Snoop Dogg gig and putting on a KKK mask halfway during the second song: very bad for the teeth.

Like I said, the Seer hinted at these things previously - or so Lazerus seems to think, and thus he tries to coax her into actually saying what she knows. If she does nothing more than hint, she's nothing more than just another fortune-teller to Lazerus, all words and no message. Be advised that although the new arrivals may have to prove themselves to the Seer and other villagers, the same of course also works the other way around.

And I have no problems with this either; Lazerus will simply think he has misread/misunderstood, but feel he's done the right thing by not giving in.

Sylith:
Ok, got it, but I'm not gonna tell you what to do to get the answer you want (although I already did this, and she did this, and whatever). Laz's motives are not what I'm about and it is not the thing that helps me in any way.
I started this, because I see completely no sense in last conversation which is like:
"Why do you like it?"
"I don't."
"If you don't know why do you like it, we have nothing to talk about."

I just wanted to know if you meant this, thinking it might be some kind of mistake - yours, which you might want to change - or mine, which obviously affects the Seer's response.

LuckyDee:
In response to your last post, I've gone through the IC thread again, and picked out all the (important) lines that compose what could have been a coherent conversation, if not for all the other players indecently blabbing straight through it :)

This is what I found:


--- Quote ---Seer: But you surely want something from me. Looking for someone, right?...And one would think that The Bald Man does not hire people whose main trait is arrogance.

Lazerus: Just what do you think you know about us?

Seer: I know more than you can think I do, though you need not to fear... Unless I will have to keep speaking so loudly about it

Lazerus: We were told to see you

Seer: [no response]

Lazerus: So tell us... You clearly know more about us than we would expect from any random encounter.

Seer: [no response]

Lazerus: Would you then start by enlightening us on what you appear to know about us?

Seer: [no response]

Lazerus: Lady, I understand and respect your position, as I assume you do ours, and thus see the importance of my question. Please do not withhold your enlightenment any longer.

Seer: What if I told you there are more things and powers in this world, than you ever imagined?...What if I told you I can read your mind or see you in many more ways you could ever think about?...Or maybe I am just a spy, able to find any information I would like to?...What would you prefer to believe?

Lazerus: So why not stop messing about and either drop your bluff or tell us what you know you must?
--- End quote ---

The Seer sets thing off with a hint, upon which Lazerus asks a straightforward question. At first he gets more hints in response, then nothing for a while, then hints again. To Lazerus, this just sounds like she's trying her best not to give any answers, either because she doesn't know - which I/he highly doubt(s) - or because she's so used to having people dance to her tune because of her gift, that she won't stop doing so - which Lazerus strongly resents - just because it's PCs asking the question.

I don't think your potato-metaphor, so to speak, fits the conversation Laz and the Seer were having so far. I also don't think the Seer did give Lazerus an answer. If I missed it, please point it out to me, because as a player I really am completely clueless in this regard. I fear most the discussion we've been having is based on a number of relatively small misunderstanding, both IC and OOC, and I truly wish there'd be an easy way of avoiding this.

BTW, I'll say this again: I as a player have no problems whatsoever with the Seer behaving the way I understood her to behave, I think it makes for a more interesting character even. It would be a shame if both you and I are aiming for more-or-less the same thing, and somehow failing miserably due to things that are lost in translation.

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