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Overpowered energy-shielded vest?

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AlterAsc:
Yes, DS was used just as a constant source of +60% all res.And in off-hand some random combat knife.So it works. :)

Skibbler:

--- Quote from: skarczew on April 18, 2012, 11:28 ---I wonder, why you do not complain about Cerberus? Or Onyx Armor Pack?
You are wrong, I think.

Not everyone is playing Ao100. Not everyone is playing Technician, therefore you need something more than Wk alone to create that stuff. And there are so many other uses for Nano pack, which is not guaranteed in any way so far.

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I'm not complaining about anything. I'm pointing out something that seems unbalanced. And I don't see any problem with cerberus because it is far worse. Cerberus gives 70% acid/fire, 50% plasma, 0 protection. Plus you need to put on an onyx/nano pack to make indestructible/regenerate durability. So in the end you get 70% acid/fire, 50% plasma, indestructible or regenerative, 0 protection. First of all, this gives you no protection against bullet/shrapnel/melee enemies. It also makes you take significantly more damage from acid/fire/plasma enemies, especially plasma enemies, compared to the armor I described.

You're right that not everyone plays technician, but if you don't get whizkid, then you won't have really good armor no matter what. You don't need to be a technician to make the armor I described work; you just need 1 or 2 levels of whizkid.


--- Quote from: AlterAsc on April 18, 2012, 11:52 ---Only if you find nano pack.
Also there is P-modded cerberus onyx armor.70% fire and acid, 50% plasma.And it only requires onyx armor, not super rare nano pack and not-so common vest.
But about every once in a lifetime you can have this cool armor
And there're combinations like DS + MMB + nanofiber skin cybernetic armor.95% all resistances, at least 7 armor.Don't know what BA does, maybe even stronger with it.

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I don't think onyx armor is more common than the energy-shielded vest. I've encountered the vest more often. Plus, the p-modded cerberus onyx armor has significantly worse protection, though I do admit it doesn't need the nano pack.

And so what if there's a combination like DS + MMB + nanofiber skin cybernetic armor. First of all, the DS and cybernetic armor are really rare uniques, while the vest is not. The chances of getting both uniques is slim slim slim. Second, DS + MMB + nanofiber skin cybernetic armor requires you to get MMB, which is a very specific mastery, while any character who gets a level in whizkid can get ridiculous protection with the energy shielded vest + nanofiber skin armor + the optional things I listed. Third, if DS + MMB + nanofiber skin cybernetic armor is so ridiculously powerful, then perhaps it should also be nerfed.

My point is that all you need is a relatively common (purple) special armor (it's found in depths 5+), a nano pack, and whizkid, and then there are almost no enemies who can deal more than 1 damage to you, bosses included. Cerberus onyx armor (P) is far less powerful (plus it slows you down a lot), and DS + MMB + nanofiber skin cybernetic armor requires you to find two uniques, have a specific master trait, be a technician, and find a nano pack.

ZicherCZ:
Ummm ... Maybe it is just me, but out of ~40 games of 0.996 I yet have to find a single energy-shielded vest. And I only found a single nano-pack ever since assemblies were introduced. So it certainly is not that common.

AlterAsc:

--- Quote ---Third, if DS + MMB + nanofiber skin cybernetic armor is so ridiculously powerful, then perhaps it should also be nerfed.
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No it shouldn't.Because it never happens in reality.

--- Quote ---My point is that all you need is a relatively common
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Relatively.I had games with zero exotic drop(except guaranteed).
And combination of two is superrare.
And no, cerberus onyx is not far less powerful.It lacks 1 armor, 5% fire(the main resist), 25% plasma, 5% acid.Noone cares about bullet and shrapnel and 25% melee by itself is useless.
I found energy-shielded vest once, and got nano pack twice from armory.So i'm not sure if i ever get both.

Cotonou:
The fun thing about this thread is that the armor described is still in no way as beneficial as anti-grav boots.

This might be an acceptable use of your second nano pack.  *Maybe*

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