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Just another items from original DooM

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Silhar:

--- Quote from: Const on October 22, 2007, 11:15 ---First, what do you mean? I do not know about such enemies.

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I meant that killing Foos, Imps or even Demons and Cacodemons with PR or BFG is a waste of ammo (this is only mine opinion, right ?). And with my awesome luck I encounter many of those big dudes (like AVs, Mancubi and other BoHs). This is why I always lack on power cells.

Const:

--- Quote from: Ilhar on October 22, 2007, 11:43 --- And with my awesome luck I encounter many of those big dudes (like AVs, Mancubi and other BoHs). This is why I always lack on power cells.
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Of course, plasma rifle and/or BFG are good, but they are not obligatory. Chaingun, RL or perhaps new double shotgun also good. It's not counting extra-fast pistol or Spoiler (click to show/hide)Longinus Spear.

Dervis:

--- Quote from: Blade on October 07, 2007, 05:55 ---How about adding second type of ammo packs that are generated across levels, like in original DooM. There were 2 types of packs for each ammo type: 5 bullets in clip, and 50 bullets in box, 8 shotgun shells in pack, and 25 shotgun shells in box, 1 lone rocket, and box of 5 rockets at once, 40 plasma cells in little battery, and 100 cells in big battery.

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I also find this would be a nice feature, as it happens atm in the game your only reliable source of ammo are the former captains/sargeants and special levels as random ammo in maps is way too few in the later levels.

On another point i second (or 5th) that 'Need more Cells!' but i find it more important to make bigger power cells stacks in inventory. In Doom you could carry 200 Bullet Ammo, 50 Shells, 50 Rockets and 300 Cells, in DoomRL the proportion could be made a bit fairer imo.
I find it really annoying to use 5+ lines of inventory on power cells and see them disappear really fast when you need to fry bigger monsters.

Const:

--- Quote from: tisiphone on October 22, 2007, 11:29 --- I can think of but it would be a nice thing just for a) nostalgia reasons and b) just because it seems like a nice feature.
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There are some distictions between Doom and DoomRL. And because them, some features from Doom won't do for DoomRL. In particular, Doom and the RL version have essential distinctions in ammo/inventory system (for example, ammo system in AliensRL is more similar to Doom than ammo system in DoomRL). And because them, big packs of ammo are useless for DoomRL gameplay.
Nostalgia isn't enough reason. For making big packs it is needed to increase length of code, and it does not change gameplay and does not change game appearance, in contrast to graphic and sound changes.


--- Quote ---The only problem I see is if the bigger power cells (or whatever) will need some way to distinguish between the small ones how will that be shown on the screen?
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Also don't needed. There are already can be different packs (dropped by enemies or player). And their appearnce, of course, isn't change, because there are can be a lot of different sizes.

And the main. One size of pack is better for decreasing luck influence, than two different sizes, when probability of founding a unicue pack is equal to sum of probabilities of founding two others, and size of unique pack is equal to average pack size of two others. For example, if small pack have size 20 and probability 4%, and big pack have size 100 and probability 1%, it's better to replace them by pack with probability 5% and size 36.

tisiphone:

--- Quote from: Dervis ---On another point i second (or 5th) that 'Need more Cells!' but i find it more important to make bigger power cells stacks in inventory. In Doom you could carry 200 Bullet Ammo, 50 Shells, 50 Rockets and 300 Cells, in DoomRL the proportion could be made a bit fairer imo.
I find it really annoying to use 5+ lines of inventory on power cells and see them disappear really fast when you need to fry bigger monsters.
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Yeah, I was actually thinking of that a couple of days ago. I think that would be quite cool.


--- Quote from: Const ---There are some distictions between Doom and DoomRL. And because them, some features from Doom won't do for DoomRL. In particular, Doom and the RL version have essential distinctions in ammo/inventory system (for example, ammo system in AliensRL is more similar to Doom than ammo system in DoomRL). And because them, big packs of ammo are useless for DoomRL gameplay.
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Yep, I agree with you a 100 %. In fact that was part of my point. It will not do any harm to the gameplay so, hey, what’s the worst that could happen*. 


--- Quote from: Const ---Nostalgia isn't enough reason.
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That just seemed like a slap in the face. As far as I can see, the only judge of that is Kornel. And personally I quite like the nostalgic factor of the game.


--- Quote from: Const ---Also don't needed. There are already can be different packs (dropped by enemies or player). And their appearnce, of course, isn't change, because there are can be a lot of different sizes.
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The key word was *If*. And if I remember correctly the ammo packs that are spawned on their own are always the same size. Though that is a good point as to why they (if ever implemented) should not need an additional visual representation.


--- Quote from: Const ---And the main. One size of pack is better for decreasing luck influence, than two different sizes, when probability of founding a unicue pack is equal to sum of probabilities of founding two others, and size of unique pack is equal to average pack size of two others. For example, if small pack have size 20 and probability 4%, and big pack have size 100 and probability 1%, it's better to replace them by pack with probability 5% and size 36.
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That depends on how the packs are spawned. For example if there are five 20 packs in one room, it might be more efficient to place them as one pack.
Also the line between skill and luck in games is not as clear cut as you put it, in my opinion. For example if DooMRL was just a game of shuffling recourses from A to B to achieve a certain goal – it would most likely not appeal to many. And in the same way if it was just a roll of the dice that decides wherever you have succeeded or not it probably wouldn’t be much fun, either. So it might well not be better, strictly speaking, to do as you suggest.

* Some unforeseen bugs, I know. But that shouldn’t be a determent for adding features. Not in my mind at least.

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