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Heavy Thoughts
Reef Blastbody:
@Matt_S :
Is there an option to try to throw my shoes at the shady moralist on the bridge in an attempt to knock him down onto the tracks and absorb the brunt of the trolley impact, thus sparing the fat man and the workers, while depriving the world of a figure who seeks to impose ethical quandaries on the rest of us? Or is the trolley travelling at such speeds that only a fat man of hefty proportions could possibly stop it?
@Klear :
Best of both worlds; using trolley problems in game theory. Although when forced to represent it in game terms, most games will give you the painfully "same with a different hat" NICE, NEUTRAL, or NAUGHTY options and the appropriate XP/reward which helps the player decide. I guess you could reverse engineer it to look at it as who will best reward you : (the three men, having iPods and full time jobs could possibly pool their resources to give you gifts for saving their lives), the fat man (who, as a result of his size, must have significant resources to have acquired all that food to not only become that large, but remain that large), or, the shady moralist, who is possibly a shadowy conspiracy theory figure who seeks an apprentice to carry on his dark craft of perpetuating such dilemmas and will take you into his fold with advanced bridge-shoving techniques and Shady Gear.
Melon:
1) You can weigh human life, but that weighing will be totally biased. If heard of a story of a mother who had some children. One of them was a daughter that was raped. She demanded that rapist should be put to death.
Some time later, her son, raped a girl. You would suspect that she demanded the same? No! It was her lovable son, he was provoked by that sl*t and he is innocent.
So you see, the weighing is biased, like I said before. Because of this weighing we had fascist and communist regimes. But the problem also dwells between normal people, who put etiquettes to others. This is also weighing. We weigh based on university a person has graduated from, we weigh a person by his education/parents/town/language/carnation. You name it. You have it.
Weighing is bad. But we cannot escape it, everybody weighs other people, sometime completely unconsciously.
2) I was once for death penalty. But over time it came to me, that this is the easiest solution but not the best one. It's really easy to kill an individual instead of trying to "fix" him/her. You can easily punish someone else, because you have morality. But where did morality came from? From you? No, morality came from your parents, brothers and sisters, friends, society, people you meet on the bus. If you are lucky, you will have some morality (although still you can have some mental disease, but that's the other case). But if you are born into bad neighborhood, with prostitutes, drunken, addicts, people killing each other, what will be your morality? I think, that since you were "better" born, you are responsible, for at least trying to help such people.
But on the other hand, if I will be attacked by such person, I will retaliate. Life is brutal, life is unjust.
Matt_S:
--- Quote from: Reef Blastbody on August 09, 2012, 09:05 ---@Matt_S :
Is there an option to try to throw my shoes at the shady moralist on the bridge in an attempt to knock him down onto the tracks and absorb the brunt of the trolley impact, thus sparing the fat man and the workers, while depriving the world of a figure who seeks to impose ethical quandaries on the rest of us? Or is the trolley travelling at such speeds that only a fat man of hefty proportions could possibly stop it?
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A third choice? In a trolley problem? lololol. The moralist has perfect information, so he can dodge your shoe.
Reef Blastbody:
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You enter the Subway, level 2. You sense a passage to a place beyond...
You see : a moralist (rather shady)
There is a Fat Man lying here.
Suddenly the train approaches!
You start running!
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
The Fat Man has died! ... Press <Enter>...
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
129 brave souls have ventured into Moral Dilemma:
120 of those were killed.
9 souls destroyed the Moralist...
4 sacrificed the Fat Man for the good of mankind.
2 showed that it can outsmart train itself.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Matt_S:
--- Quote from: Reef Blastbody on August 09, 2012, 14:23 ----- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You enter the Subway, level 2. You sense a passage to a place beyond...
You see : a moralist (rather shady)
There is a Fat Man lying here.
Suddenly the train approaches!
You start running!
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
The Fat Man has died! ... Press <Enter>...
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
129 brave souls have ventured into Moral Dilemma:
120 of those were killed.
9 souls destroyed the Moralist...
4 sacrificed the Fat Man for the good of mankind.
2 showed that it can outsmart train itself.
--------------------------------------------------------------
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I lol'd :)
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