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[Lomaster]

Right now every character class has to invest some points in perception in order to shoot barrels less lethaly to oneself (especialy in low light conditions). And I'd like my short-sighted character to be able to spot a barrel take a couple steps back and shoot at the barrel (barrels can't move, how in the holy hell can one miss them if they know their position?)

[Napsterbater]

(barrels can't move, how in the holy hell can one miss them if they know their position?)

Go get a Nerf gun, set yourself up in a room with a box or whatever on the other side of the room, turn the light off (or close your eyes) and see how many times you can hit it. Bet ya it won't be a lot.

[Lomaster]

Go get a Nerf gun, set yourself up in a room with a box or whatever on the other side of the room, turn the light off (or close your eyes) and see how many times you can hit it. Bet ya it won't be a lot.

Just tried it with a BB gun. You're right it was 5 out of 10. Still 50% hit rate though.

[Klear]

I'm also a bit underwhelmed by the low chance to blow up barrels out of vision. It means that most of the time you can ignore them, since there's too little chance to set them off by accident, the aliens won't touch them either, and if you could blow it up to make life more easy for yourself, you are likely to be caught in the blast as well.

That one time I found a shotgun though? That was a blast =)

[Lomaster]

I'm also a bit underwhelmed by the low chance to blow up barrels out of vision. It means that most of the time you can ignore them, since there's too little chance to set them off by accident, the aliens won't touch them either, and if you could blow it up to make life more easy for yourself, you are likely to be caught in the blast as well.

That one time I found a shotgun though? That was a blast =)

Wait a minute, are you saying it actualy is possible to damage barrels out of vision? I confirm that shotgun but after firing 12 pistol rounds at a barrel it remained undamaged. I guess i'll just have to experiment with more weapons.

[skarczew]

Shotguns work on barrels. Explosions as well.

But you may be right that the other weapons need to have it adjusted. Bullet type weapons does not seem to work at all.

[Klear]

I'm not sure I ever managed to explode a barrel outside range with bullets, though I wasn't trying for too long. Ammo is precious. Either it's impossible, or just very hard. In any case not worth it right now.

Edit: I just tested it - four bursts from HK MG4 machine gun (32 bullets) towards a barrel five spaces away in bad lightning conditions (just outside visible range) are not enough for a marine with basic training with these weapons to hit it.

[emulord]

Just tried it with a BB gun. You're right it was 5 out of 10. Still 50% hit rate though.

50% accuracy compared to in sight sounds about right. And its experimentally realistic :)

[skarczew]

50% accuracy compared to in sight sounds about right. And its experimentally realistic :)

And it is around the same as it is in DoomRL.

[Ziusudra]

the aliens won't touch them either

Though I've only seen it once (edit: twice), they will destroy a barrel, if they can't path around it.

[Klear]

I've seen an alien blocked by barrel, so maybe it's just under some circumstances.

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

This is somewhat related to the weird damage system of AliensRL. It will be rewritten to one that is more easily presented to the player, which will also help with inanimate object damage.