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Demolition ammo and other useless(?) assemblies
« on: February 12, 2013, 15:34 »

Just found Firestorm in armory and made demolition ammo chaingun. And it does very little damage, 3d2x4. There are explosions, but they are too small to make any difference, except damaging myself when I fire point blank. Is there something I am missing?
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 05:58 by tylor »
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 19:02 »

It enables a 10mm gun to break walls and gib corpses. Not much point in it for wall breaking in a normal game but it can be a big deal in a pistol challenge or A100. Gibbing corpses on the other hand IS a big deal when dealing with archviles, Nightmare, or angel of darkness.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 03:28 »

Also, I think fire damages are better than bullet ones, since some monsters (at least, revenants) have a bullet resistance.

Tough, after trying a demo ammo minigun once, I've been trongly disappointed  : it seems good only for collateral damages :/
This was on my 1st AO100, HNTR, and my minigun slept in my inventory a long time, I never really used it. Finally, I dumped it, since I had a S2B2N1 laser rifle, which was a little more efficient...

So, outside of challenges, I can't see any use for this. (I think gibbing corpses is easier on doors or in fluids than with a crappy weapon)
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 07:59 »

Numbers can be tweaked slightly - and they may need to be done so, since assembly is quite heavy.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 09:16 »

about chaingun: I've disappointed too. The best in demolition ammo line is demolition combat pistol which P-modded to equivalent of Anti-freak Jackal.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 10:02 »

To be honest i think that most of assemblies are quite useless, especially in normal games. In my player info they can be divided into three groups: tac boots & hyperblaster (which I assebled 162 and 83 times respectively), userful tools like elephant gun, antigrav boot or cerberus set for Ao100 (20-40 times, ~20% assemblies) and junk that i made just for tech badge. Current mod system is definetly better than previous "stick-all-your-mods-in-luckly-yellow-plasma", but there is still room for improvements.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 10:30 »

Also, I think fire damages are better than bullet ones, since some monsters (at least, revenants) have a bullet resistance.

Both bullet resistant enemies (lost souls and revenants) also have fire resistance.  Revenants are less resistant to fire then bullets, but lost souls are more resistant to fire than bullets.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 12:45 »

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To be honest i think that most of assemblies are quite useless
I completely agree, and think many experimented players would, too.

My groups are the following (damn, I wish I kept it short -.-) :

[Must have]
  Tactical boots (usually, A-modded)

[Usually assembled]
  Hyperblaster Saves time and ammo. just awesome...
  Tactical armor (usually, A-modded too, btw)
  Nanomachic missile launcher Without any doubts my favourite for nano mods ! I'm sure boots are great, but I already have tacs, and may always hope for phaseshift, anyway)
  Cerberus armor Preferably, on a gothic/duelist armor or ballistic vest.   assembled doens't implies worn

[Rarely assembled]
  Piercing chainsaw, since killing angel of death with non-modded throwing knives is quite boring (and is just ridiculous... I hope that guy has been reworked in 0.9.9.7 :/ )
  Tactical shotgun Very cool, but not necessary. (and I always use shotgun. a lot)
  Cerberus boots For lava pits...
  Power armor Simple and efficient
  Biggest fucking gun Not that useful, but so much fun :)   And I don't see any real use for F mods, anyway. I usually prefer something else on my hyperblaster.

[Nice but useless]
  Tactical rocket launcher Most of the time worse than the (insane) missile launcher
  Gatling gun Bullets suck... excellent chaingun, tough. But still a chaingun.
  Environemental boots Rather good... but not enough for lava pits, and useless elsewhere.
  Elephant gun Really damaging, and great knockback, but ridiculously high reload time. Too dangerous for me, even with shottyman. Not worth 2 P-mods, imo.
  Energy gun I would need Fin2 to have the necessary WK. Probably useful for sharpshooters, tough. I guess I'll move it to rarely assembled once I played one :)
  Storm bolter Probably good with an ammo box, which somehow means sharpshooter, again, for me, but I prefer speedloaders so much... I'm sure it's a rather good assembly, tough.
  Assault rifle Waste of A mods...
  Burst cannon I don't like playing AoMC, wasting ammo, or picking to much EE
  All melee assemblies outside piercing chainsaw (or knife ? but the angel could be killed with a blunt throwing spoon... so, why waste mods in it ?)
  About all other assemblies, either too weak compared to normal modded weapons, too expensive, or too restrictive, like stupid cursed armors.

[Special mentions]
  Nano-shrapnel (a huge ROFL at losing 5 damages dices at the cost of a nano mod :)  The only time I made one, I finished the game using other weapons, since it wasn't even capable of killing formers...
  Nanofiber armor Ruins movespeed AND protection at the same time, at the cost of cool mods O_o
  Ripper The only time I assembled one, I got a spear before getting the necessary mods. Also, I lost damages compared to my non-modded chainsaw, since I didn't have enough levels in brute, and ripper's accuracy is laughable. It might be better than a chainsaw for a real melee build, but costs so much for so little benefits...
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 13:26 »

Don't assemble cerberus armor with gothic. It reduces protection to zero. You'll be stuck with 100% movement penalty and the same resistances/protection than if you'd put it on onyx.

Put it on onyx or duelist.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 16:40 »

[Must have]
  Tactical boots (usually, A-modded)

[Usually assembled]
  Hyperblaster Saves time and ammo. just awesome...
  Tactical armor (usually, A-modded too, btw)
  Nanomachic missile launcher Without any doubts my favourite for nano mods ! I'm sure boots are great, but I already have tacs, and may always hope for phaseshift, anyway)
  Cerberus armor Preferably, on a gothic/duelist armor or ballistic vest.   assembled doens't implies worn

Thank you soooo much, I at last won AoMC/UV thanks to Hyperblaster and NM Missile Launcher. NMML is hilariously effective. Too bad I was one A shy of making Cerberus armor...
And I make tactical boots and armor every game too. Though I am torn between making them as soon as possible, or waiting for WK2.
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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 17:09 »

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Re: Demolition ammo are useless?
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 05:11 »

  Cerberus armor Preferably, on a gothic/duelist armor or ballistic vest.   assembled doens't implies worn
I liked it on phaseshift. Maybe you did not need to wear it all the time, but in a clusterfuck it is safer rather than tactical.

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  Tactical rocket launcher Most of the time worse than the (insane) missile launcher
May be worse without nano. In normal cases ML is not that much better, imo. And reload is much faster.

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  Elephant gun Really damaging, and great knockback, but ridiculously high reload time. Too dangerous for me, even with shottyman. Not worth 2 P-mods, imo.
Does it really have that high reload? o.o And as a Shottyman you pretty ignore it.

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  Assault rifle Waste of A mods...
  Burst cannon I don't like playing AoMC, wasting ammo, or picking to much EE
I am not a great fan of those as well.

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  Nanofiber armor Ruins movespeed AND protection at the same time, at the cost of cool mods O_o
Totally agree here.
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Re: Demolition ammo and other useless(?) assemblies
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 08:12 »

Burst Cannon is actually really awesome if you're doing an Ammochain game and you find the Laser Rifle. You get an extra side and two extra shots while still having an insane accuracy bonus (+6 after the assembly).

Edit: Also the Elephant Gun is good on AotD games where you can never get a Focused Double Shotgun (unless you find a Super Shotgun, of course).

Second edit: I can't confirm because I haven't actually tried it, but I imagine the Nano-Shrapnel mod on a Super Shotgun in a Gunrunner/Shottyhead game would be absolutely incredible. Sure, you're doing less damage, but at the same time you've turned the Super Shotgun into something that can fire without reloading ever.

LAST EDIT: Gatling Gun is a very good upgrade to the Chaingun, even on Ammochain games. +1 sides, 20 more bullets in a magazine, and two more bullets for just two bulk mods? Excellent.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 08:17 by Buzzard »
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Re: Demolition ammo and other useless(?) assemblies
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 19:29 »

LAST EDIT: Gatling Gun is a very good upgrade to the Chaingun, even on Ammochain games. +1 sides, 20 more bullets in a magazine, and two more bullets for just two bulk mods? Excellent.
Yes, it is nice. Almost like plasma ;) .
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Re: Demolition ammo and other useless(?) assemblies
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 03:21 »

One of the problems i see with demolition ammo chain-gun is that is heavily increased knockback. if you try shooting into group of enemies, you'll scatter them with usually your first shot.
Pistol problem with knockback is similar. In MSs game P-modded demolition combat pistol knocks target 2 tiles away from you making it problematic to kill things.

Ripper is very good if you're dedicated melee. Totally awesome with MMB or MVm.
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