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Author Topic: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge  (Read 7867 times)

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[N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« on: March 26, 2013, 16:28 »

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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Adam Ring, level 3 Mancubus Warrant Officer Scout,
 committed a stupid suicide on level 2 of Hell.
 He survived 29647 turns and scored 23554 points.
 He played for 26 minutes and 23 seconds.
 He opposed the Nightmare!

 He killed 39 out of 104 hellspawn. (37%)
 He was an Angel of Max Carnage!
 He was also an Angel of Overconfidence!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 4
  Levels visited   : 1
  Levels completed : 1

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Longinus Diamond Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

  ##########################======###########################
  |..0...........0..}.......======..0...hB..#.0#...}i.ii.i...
  ..........................======B..hh.....#..#...i...BR...R
  #..########.#..#.########.======########..#..#..i.i########
  ............#..#..#.......======..................^#..#....
  ............#..#..#..0....======...................#..#....
  ################.0#..#..#.======....#..#######.....#V.#..##
  ..=.....+........0+..#..#======...h.#..#.....#.....#..R...=
  ...====........>.....#..#======.....#..#.....#.....#.....#.
  #####=##.################======..####..#..#..####..#.....#.
  #......................|}.======....#..#..#..#.....#.^..|#.
  #0...............;....}..|====X=....#..#..#..#.....#..V\.#.
  ####..####..#####.;+....#.======##..#..#..#..####..#..#..#.
  ......#....=..=.........#B======....#.....#..#.===....#..#.
  ......#....0====........#..======...#.....#..#.===....#..#.
  ####..#.##############..#.======##..#.....#..#..#####.#..#.
  ......#.................#.======....#.....#..#........#....
  ....===..................B======..........#...........#....
  ####===###################======###########################
  ##########################======###########################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/50   Experience 3690/3
  ToHit Ranged +12  ToHit Melee +12  ToDmg Ranged +1  ToDmg Melee +1

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 1)

  HR->HR->SoB->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   minigun (1d6)x8 [160/200]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   nothing
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   Longinus Spear (8d8)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] combat pistol (3d3) [15/15]
    [b] assault shotgun (7d3) [6/6]
    [c] combat knife (3d5) (B)
    [d] large med-pack
    [e] 10mm ammo chain (x250)
    [f] shell box (x100)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    None

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    3 former sergeants
    3 former captains
    16 demons
    16 lost souls
    1 Angel of Death

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 1 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 1 he found the Longinus Spear!
  He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 2 he finally committed a stupid suicide.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : out of vision
 You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul! You
 hear the scream of a freed soul!
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : out of vision
 You hear the scream of a freed soul! You hear the scream of a freed soul!
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : out of vision
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : out of vision
 You hear the scream of a freed soul!
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : out of vision
 You have no more ammo for the minigun!
 Argh!!! Lava! You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 61 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 46 of those were killed.
 2 of those were killed by something unknown.
 7 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 2 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 4 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 1 killed the bitch and survived.
 3 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

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I unlocked AoOC, and I've read about using throwing knives to kill the AoD on max carnage, so I figured why not just dual angel? On my first try I had a bulk mod and the red stairs to the Unholy Cathedral in plain sight. Without a bulk mod I have no idea just how long it would take.

Not much else to say, I tried to continue but barely as I was starting I got annihilated by a former sergeant sneaking behind a corner. I got launched into the middle of a lava river.. x)
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 22:12 »

Still, Longinus Diamond in 1 try.... impressive.

How did you deal with the souls and demons, though?
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 00:28 »

Still, Longinus Diamond in 1 try.... impressive.

How did you deal with the souls and demons, though?

You can kill the souls in one hit with the combat knife (not sure if it requires bulk mod or not, actually), so as long as you deal with 1 at a time you're good.

The demons took a lava bath outside :-)
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 00:39 »

The demons took a lava bath outside :-)

Ah, clever. With HR2 this shouldn't be much of a problem, indeed.
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 00:42 »

Clever choice. I might try it myself. Seems like a fast diamond.

I assume nuking is not an option for such badges.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 00:44 by Radagast »
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 02:26 »

Cool. I should try that someday.

Dual angels make some of the challenges easier, I suppose.
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 06:03 »

Maybe we should nerf that.

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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 08:23 »

Someone should buy you a T-shirt with that text printed on it...
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 11:39 »

Maybe we should nerf that.

* thelaptop ponders evilly

I guess this is a more philosophical thing. Should the hardest badges have a strict luck requirement? Should they just be a puzzle for the player to figure out? (Dragonslayer is one of these) Or should they be based on skill as much as a roguelike would allow with all the random elements?

I think it should be changed, personally. Removing AoOC from the choices after AoMC should be enough. This way, using AoOC would be too impractical as a shortcut to attempt Longinus Diamond, and if they want to use AoMC they have to learn a sound strategy for reaching the later levels first.
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 11:47 »

Removing AoOC from the choices after AoMC should be enough.
That seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 11:52 »

That seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Hmm, you're probably right.. some people may want to do AoOC+AoMC after all :P I haven't given this too much thought admittedly. Maybe the AoD could get "enraged" after repeated ranged knife throw attacks and something bad happens? :o)
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 12:06 »

We can just nerf badges from Dual-Angels, except for the Angelic stuff.  Some people want a challenge, but none of them said anything about wanting to cheese their way to achievements, no?

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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 12:07 »

Ok I just did the exact same thing. Just got the diamond.
It was not exactly as you say though.

Obviously, I died 4 times right on the first level. In the end the RNG gave me luck in terms of spawning a pain elemental & lost souls 1st hell level.
It's the only kind of monster you can actually kill as a lvl 1 scout with minigun/assault shotgun. All other times I got fried before getting to the cathedral.
I also found 2 combat knives a bulk and an agility mod on the level:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

By the time I got to Angel of Death I had a bulked combat knife, and 2 normal combat knives. No armor for the agility mod which was a shame...
I also had 2 HR traits, and 2 SoB traits. Which means more dmg.

Now I don't know what you did man, but the angel of death could not be that easily outrunned.
I was barely faster and had to do the whole level circle just to throw those 3 daggers and get them again.
I had to do that around 5-6 times at least before he changed status from almost unhurt to barely scratched. The same happened for all the next statuses, which practically meant I must have done the level circle probably more than 50 times to kill it...
Felt like a hundred times to be honest.

It took almost 1 hour and a half... 1hour and a half of my life, running a circle around the whole UC. lol...
It needed a donkey's stubborness and godlike patience...

I have no idea how you did it in less than half an hour with just one bulked knife, and not even SoBx2....
Also for some stupid reason my bulked knife got destroyed when I killed AoD with the final throw... Imagine that...

Naturally entering the next level meant almost an instant death.

PS : The wiki needs fixing. Outrunning an angel of death with 2 HR and +10% from scout ability, should not be possible if he does indeed have 150% speed.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 12:35 by Radagast »
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2013, 12:14 »

PS : The wiki needs fixing. Outrunning an angel of death with 2 HR and +10% from scout ability, should not be possible if he does indeed have 150% speed.
How so?  It gives you 0.64 seconds per move.
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Re: [N!|AoMC/AoOC|37%|YASD] Longinus Diamond Badge
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2013, 12:17 »

How so?  It gives you 0.64 seconds per move.

Doesn't doomguy have 100% speed by default?

If so 100% + 10% (scout ability) + 30% (2 HR points) = 140% which is less than the 150% the AoD seems to have according to the wiki.

Do I misinterpret the information??
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Now trying: Arch-Vile/Colonel (11k kills, 150 melee kills, 3 Gold to get)
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