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[appuru]

I have no idea how you did it in less than half an hour with just one bulked knife, and not even SoBx2....
Also for some stupid reason my bulked knife got destroyed when I killed AoD with the final throw... Imagine that...

Naturally entering the next level meant almost an instant death.

PS : The wiki needs fixing. Outrunning an angel of death with 2 HR and +10% from scout ability, should not be possible if he does indeed have 150% speed.

I was circling inside the demon room for the most part. There's no need to do laps outside the cathedral. I considered doing that at first but I figured if you outran the AoD, why not just do the same in a smaller space? Just don't get too greedy and attack him when he's too close.

I definitely outran him with Scout class + 2xHR, I wasn't wearing armor though.

[Radagast]

I definitely outran him with Scout class + 2xHR, I wasn't wearing armor though.

Nah had the exact same setup and it was not really possible since I gained a tile every 6-7 tiles or so when I was just moving, and picking up the dagger also costs 2tiles of AoD movement usually.
Throwing it costs almost another tile of movement.

So quite impossible to do it inside  since the small space doesn't help much, he can corner you there.
Unless you did it in a different way. Perhaps you preferred to do it melee instead of throwing the knife?
I thought that would be a huge risk and I avoided it like the plague.

[ZicherCZ]

Doesn't doomguy have 100% speed by default?

If so 100% + 10% (scout ability) + 30% (2 HR points) = 140% which is less than the 150% the AoD seems to have according to the wiki.

Do I misinterpret the information??

That's not how speed works. "10% faster" actually means "10% shorter time", and effects are applied one after other. So, this would mean: 1s  minus 10% Scout = 0.9s minus 30% from HR2 should mean 0.63s, which corresponds to about 159% monster speed - and you're fine.
Check the wiki, Game mechanics section for more details if interested.

[Radagast]

That's not how speed works. "10% faster" actually means "10% shorter time", and effects are applied one after other. So, this would mean: 1s  minus 10% Scout = 0.9s minus 30% from HR2 should mean 0.63s, which corresponds to about 159% monster speed - and you're fine.
Check the wiki, Game mechanics section for more details if interested.

Damn it thanks. That explains it. You learn something new every single day in this forum.

[AlterAsc]

We can just nerf badges from Dual-Angels,

Somehow i got a feeling that i suggested it in beta1 or beta2 topic.
Noone believed me at that time though. >_<

As for scout bonus: this is the only bonus that is applied another way. Scouts have 0.91s not 0.9s action time of actions that take 1s.

[ZicherCZ]

As for scout bonus: this is the only bonus that is applied otherwise. Scouts have 0.91s not 0.9s action time of actions that take 1s.

Ah, there's the 0.64s vs 0.63s difference explained.

[appuru]

Ah, there's the 0.64s vs 0.63s difference explained.

I know I'm not crazy xD it would take a while, but non-running move actions would let me create distance from the AoD after several tiles. As a rough estimate I made sure to have at least 2 tiles of distance before throwing a knife. I never got hit.


Though this is probably considered cheesing the diamond badge, I'm glad there's some discussion on it. :D I still feel kinda bad I wasnt around for 9.9.7 testing, now I feel like I would have at least helped in ironing out badge requirements. :(

[ZicherCZ]

Well, consider the low-damage medals that also exist. It is possible to grab a Conqueror and a Destroyer Diamond (= N! AoMC with no more then 50 HP damage taken throughout the whole game) - but this simply does require such "cheesy" tactics.

I think it's not that finding the working tactics inside the way the game engine works would be "cheesing" - but I agree, discussion is always welcome.

[Matt_S]

For anyone who's curious, the reason the Scout's speed bonus works differently from other bonuses is that it actually changes the player's "speed", i.e. rate of "energy" regeneration which is the way varying enemy speeds change.  The other bonuses instead decrease the time it takes to perform whatever action.  The wiki has some information on the mechanics of energy and speed, but it seems outdated a bit since it doesn't mention the Scout's speed.

[Ashannar]

We can just nerf badges from Dual-Angels, except for the Angelic stuff.  Some people want a challenge, but none of them said anything about wanting to cheese their way to achievements, no?

* thelaptop grins evilly

I think this is the best approach.