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Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
scotherns:
I just picked up the Dragonslayer for the first time ever (3rd time I'd seen it). When I entered the level I got 'This will be a mess, Khe he he' AND 'You hear the sound of Hellish Mortars' AND 'There is something really valuable here'. With all the barrels and explosions, I was tempted to just leave as soon as found the stairs - until I saw what was lying on the ground.
I also have Berserker Armor from about 10 levels earlier :-)
Kinda ruined my Ao100 MSc build-all-the-assemblies run I was in the middle of, but I don't care!
Matt_S:
Time for more vague hints. Spoilered for the people who care.
Spoiler: "Hint 1" (click to show/hide)For any turn, given only a screenshot, I could tell you with 100% certainty whether you would succeed or fail in picking up the Dragonslayer.
Spoiler: "Hint 2" (click to show/hide)I mentioned before that "There are certain things you can do beforehand to make it much easier to fulfill the requirements, if you don't want to rely on luck." If you want to do it the easy way, knowing the source of the Dragonslayer is helpful. If you want to do it the hard way, then you might want to hurry.
Spoiler: "Acknowledging another hint" (click to show/hide)Equality's hints are also correct, though I disagree that the clue is really obvious.
Spoiler: "How I know" (click to show/hide)For those who are curious, I figured out the secret to using the DS/BA(but not the guaranteed spawn, hehehe) before source diving. There's actually a certain mod on these forums that helped a whole lot with testing. Though I had to edit the mod a bit, and it won't even run unedited on the current version of DoomRL...
Sereg:
Spoiler: Some questions related to your hints. (click to show/hide)Does the informative portion of the screenshot include the floor map as well? Meaning conditions like walls, dropped items, barrels, fluids, corpses, etc. are a factor? Or are you referring to just player information, like tactics, equipped items; statuses like berserk, invulnerable, envirosuit; ammo count, floor depth and completion status, health, and other displayed textual information?
Is the second hint implying that the conditions are time sensitive?
Equality's clues are quite vague, in my opinion. The first one... I have an idea about, but if it's not that, then I'm clueless. My guess was something I wasn't able to fully achieve due to cursed equipment, but I did try variations of it. As for the second condition... well, that just makes it even more confusing.
Are BA's wear requirements and DS's pickup requirements related in some way? I had no better luck with the one then the other.
Matt_S:
Spoiler: "Vague and probably unhelpful replies" (click to show/hide)Re: screenshots, I'm going to (conspicuously) avoid answering that.
Re: the second hint, one of the two conditions is.
Re: Equality's clues, yeah, the hints are pretty vague, but the fact that there's two conditions is really important. One of them literally any character can satisfy when they encounter the Dragonslayer, without any preparation, on any challenge, difficulty, etc.
Re: the BA, "when the time comes, you'll know."
Equality:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Re:For any turn, given only a screenshot, I could tell you with 100% certainty whether you would succeed or fail in picking up the Dragonslayer
How? You do not see all required things just because HUD not contain ALL about 1st condition :) Only say "Yes, you have a possibility of pickup DS" or "No, you fail"
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