Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me

Started by modular, March 29, 2013, 03:18

GinDiamond

No, the mod does NOT force the DS to drop. The game dropped it normally  by following the rules of the npc. I actually did a run of the tourist mod before I took that snapshot and did NOT get the DS/BA, only Azarel's Sythe and the Angelic armor as usual.
Do not muddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

aka_Cthulhu

By far the stupidest idea I had in trying to lift the DS up was checking to see that if I happened to die, while berserk, while standing on the damn thing, unarmed, in the hopes that the dang sword would happen to save my life. Needless to say, all that effort climbing down Ao100 went to waste. A tiny voice in my head, which was probably the voice of reason, went "well, should've seen that one coming"...

The thing taunts me so many times in Ao100 and 666. I figured that at least at 666 levels I'd get a chance to get both that and the armor. No dice. Just one of them, and a lot of uniques. With my successful run, my whole inventory was a cart full of uniques, since I went with OP gear that's more practical and boring and effective, with no need to hang on to more than two medpacks.

GinDiamond

I actually think I have a theory that might work to pick up the DS/BA. It really isn't that hard to wrap your mind around, actually.
Do not muddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

siwucha

May 12, 2013, 08:54 #138 Last Edit: May 12, 2013, 10:44 by siwucha
Finally found Dragonslayer + Berserk Armor in my Ao666 Blademaster run. I also read quite a bit of the Berserk! manga
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(which isn't necessary to pick it up, but fun to read, so try it out!).
So now - troll mode on:

It sucks! - Here's why:
 - It turns the game into black and red mode. "What is that mod pack there?" Go and [l]ook!
 - "Let's blast this wall with the rocket launcher - doh, it's cursed!"
 - The ripper does more dps on average (If you are already berserk).
 - Unless you are surrounded by cyberdemons, there is no reason to ever use whirlwind.

That was for the dragonslayer, the berserk armor is worse, because of the crazy movespeed malus (-70%). Before wearing it I could basically kill everything before it had a chance to move (Antigrav boots (x2.5) + HR3 (x1.8)  + scout berserk (x1.6) = 2.5x1.8x1.6 ~= 7x basic movement speed, Berserker Armor (x1/1.7) cuts it down to ~4x basic movement speed). If you find it, consider staying with another armor for a while. Even a PTA modded blue or red armor is better.

3rd Edit: Corrected info on movement speed. Berserk gives 50% Bonus which is added to the 10% scout bonus (not multiplied) for a total of 1.6. The berserker armor malus was calculated wrongly.

Evilpotatoe

Your post would take benefit of some spoiler tags.
I don't care much about being spoiled personally, but we should respect the (stupid :o)) sercrecy surrounding DS.

Also, I agree with the red screen, but it's not DS specific... if, like me, you hate red screen, just avoid playing melee.

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I think the fact that BA sucks is quite obvious, especially on Ao666 where you can get AOP phaseshift, malek, or a cerberus stuff.
I can see only one reason to wear it : pwn some apostle. If you don't care about it, or don't have the patience to finish a red  Ao666, the best you can do now that you registered DS's pickup is to suicide in lava :)
I didn' use the DS yet, but am currently training precisely for this (well, not in Ao666, of course xD, I just want to get it in UC and unlock those damn badges). Once it's done, I guess I'll just never try them again (and maybe stop playing, since might a level where the game's difficulty kinda fades out)
Badges - [26/26/26/22/9/2] - 42/43

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@siwucha

Agree by all points. The best if you have a Butchers Cleaver and you are technician with MMB trait. And do not wear BA even if you find it. Best if A- or P- modded cerberus onyx armor - you gain 95% resist to everything. Of course,
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you can wear BA at last level for some more badges.

in other cases, DS only a thing for get some badges, but not a really good weapon. Because red screen, cursed, and not too good by damage. Some modded or assembled and modded weapon have better dps.
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Find mysterious sword Dragonslayer
Say "Best thing ever found!" and start jumping around...
But he can't get the sword from the ground

Melon

This really has gotten out of control. Ah, I still remember the days when we were trolling everyone that Megaspheres exist...
Ludzie, którzy piją, są dla mnie niczym...

... niczym bracia!

GinDiamond

Okay. Here's a summary of what we know:

* How to DROP the DS/BA every time

and here's what we DON'T know:

* How to pick up the DS every time
Do not muddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Fanta Hege

Quote from: Melon on May 12, 2013, 12:24This really has gotten out of control. Ah, I still remember the days when we were trolling everyone that Megaspheres exist...

i heard if you defeat mortuary without damage you'll see a megasphere spawn
i dont even know anymore

Melon

Quote from: Fanta Hege on May 14, 2013, 07:18i heard if you defeat mortuary without damage you'll see a megasphere spawn

I also heard this, but you have to do this on UV at least, with knife or bar knuckles
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... niczym bracia!

Tormuse

I've cleared Mortuary without taking damage before and didn't get a Megasphere.  I have to admit I've never done it with my fists, though.  :)
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GinDiamond

I know there's something missing here that I can't figure out, and it shouldn't be that hard.

How to pick up the DS? All we need to know is how to pick up the DS, the Berserker Armor will fall into place after that.
Do not muddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Melon

Quote from: Tormuse on May 16, 2013, 12:51I've cleared Mortuary without taking damage before and didn't get a Megasphere.  I have to admit I've never done it with my fists, though.  :)

That doesn't gurantee you will get a megasphere. It only increases you chance to get one.

Also there is a rumor that if you defeat the Hell Gate without any damage on UV at least, a partial-invisibility power up might appear on next level (I think it's a temporary powerup)
Ludzie, którzy piją, są dla mnie niczym...

... niczym bracia!

Klear

Quote from: Melon on May 18, 2013, 03:44That doesn't gurantee you will get a megasphere. It only increases you chance to get one.

Also there is a rumor that if you defeat the Hell Gate without any damage on UV at least, a partial-invisibility power up might appear on next level (I think it's a temporary powerup)

Oh yeah! I got that once, but I died before I could pick it up =/
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GinDiamond

Quote from: Klear on May 18, 2013, 07:05Oh yeah! I got that once, but I died before I could pick it up =/

That certainly sounds damageless...
Do not muddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.