[N!|AoB/AoOC|11%|YAVP] I sorta wonder how possible that Angelic is...

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SageAcrin:
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DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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E, level 4 Arch-Vile Br. General Scout,
defeated the Mastermind at the City of Dis.
He survived 1668 turns and scored 72325 points.
He played for 2 minutes and 29 seconds.
He opposed the Nightmare!

He killed 38 out of 339 hellspawn. (11%)
Who gave him the ticket to Hell, anyway?
He was an Angel of Berserk!
He was also an Angel of Overconfidence!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

Levels generated : 4
Levels visited : 3
Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

Mastermind's Brain

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

Health 60/60 Experience 4146/4
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +4 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +6

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

Class : Scout

Ironman (Level 1)
Hellrunner (Level 1)
Brute (Level 2)

HR->Bru->Bru->Iro->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

[a] [ Armor ] nothing
[b] [ Weapon ] chainsaw (4d6)
[c] [ Boots ] nothing
[d] [ Prepared ] nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

[a] combat knife (2d5)
[b] large med-pack
[c] large med-pack
[d] large med-pack

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

Bullet - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Melee - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Shrapnel - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Acid - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Fire - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Plasma - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

3 former humans
1 former sergeant
4 former captains
8 imps
1 demon
8 lost souls
3 barons of hell
1 arachnotron
1 mancubus
2 arch-viles
3 nightmare imps
1 nightmare cacodemon
1 nightmare arachnotron
1 Spider Mastermind

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

On level 1 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
He left level 3 as soon as possible.
On level 4 he was foolish enough to enter Limbo!
He managed to escape from Limbo!
He left level 5 as soon as possible.
He left level 6 as soon as possible.
On level 6 he entered the Lava Pits.
He decided it was too hot there.
Then at last he found Dis!
On level 8 he finally defeated the Mastermind.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

taste blood!
You need to taste blood!
You need to taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You need to taste blood!
You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit!
You need to taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind dies. Congratulations!
You defeated the Spider Mastermind! Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

335 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
284 of those were killed.
1 of those was killed by something unknown.
4 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 22 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

24 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
3 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
18 killed the bitch and survived.
3 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

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This is basically me messing around with one of the fastest win tricks in the game.

Simply get enough invinco(disclaimer: This is a lot of invinco. This run got three Hell:1 Invincos and rode on it for literally the entire game. I forget if I found a fourth...), learn how to pacifist your way through massive volleys of juggling rockets, and use the Chainsaw to carve up the Mastermind. Simple! Not very likely to happen. But simple! It was something fun to muck with, since it's such a hilarious thing to be able to do.

The thing is, this massively high RNG strategy, executed pretty fast, took two and a half minutes. Is Speedrunner Angelic, which has to run triple the area, including several forced long walks(Entrance, Phobos Anomaly, gotta get up to Mastermind...let's assume Cyberdemon starts within melee distance, oh and since it's a normal run you need to visit Chained Court to pick up a Chainsaw or else it takes way longer. Or massively blast your odds downward, by requiring a rare melee weapon to spawn on the way. Or requiring two nuclear devices/a Trigun.), actually possible? Even with literally chained stairs within LoS(With a handy Invinco as needed before Cyberdemon/Mastermind) as you come down them?

Oh, sure, you can get Phases in the right spots to cut the walks, too. But it's still going to take a bit to get through the entrance. And as bad as the odds already are, how likely is that set of lucky Phases? Or maybe they'll be Homings, let's lower the odds even more.

I admit, my computer's not cutting edge, and some small amount of lag may be taking place, and having to cut through Limbo probably added thirty seconds here(Limbo's not that long of a walk, when you're invinco...but I did get shot at a lot.). But I'm legitimately wondering if Speedrunner Angelic is actually doable.

RNGs usually have limitations that prevent one in a billion shots from actually occuring, and it certainly feels like it's in that area(this took four or five hundred runs. Don't let my total deaths fool you, I just reset everything that obviously had no chance. Still only took a few hours though.).

As such, I'm curious to see if anyone can get this down to a minute(optimally, under would be best for proof of concept). If that's possible, then Speedrunner Angelic probably is. Good luck with that, though. This is still funny in its own right. :)

Klear:
Were you playing console or graphical? Console is a lot faster and recommended for speedrunning.

Radagast:
I'm starting to believe that these dual angel combos with overconfidence, actually ruin the game rewards and experience, especially the challenges that are supposed to be truly difficult...

Klear:
Yeah, though it is tempting, I don't try to gain badges in dual angels, since it's bound to get nerfed in the next version it would compel me to reset my stats again, something I don't really want.

Evilpotatoe:
Yep, mistakenly got 2 platinum & 2 diamond yesterday this way... I just wanted a quick game !
I guess I'll end up using a VM, so I can hold N! runs & earn badges properly.

About the angelic, my best record is 2:33... on ITYTD.
I tried console a little, since animations speed on graphical version is terrible, but it didn't cut much time. Anyway, playing in ascii is... well, an experience, for sure, but I really don't enjoy it.

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