[M|ArchAoPc|18%|25|YAVP] So apparently AoPc can use Hellwave packs for damage...

[Sereg]

...and it's still not enough. Took JC to Wounded, but then, being a Pacifist, I somehow decided I wasn't allowed to attack the True Evil. Oh no, apparently it was all the Spider Mastermind's fault. This John Carmack guy... he must be innocent. I'll just sit idly by and let him kill me.

Found like 5 invulnerability globes on hell 7, but no nukes throughout the game. I was invulnerable for a very long time on 25, probably could have punched JC to death, but no such luck. Sadness.

This started as a Pacifism Angelic attempt(because the guy whose only diamond is the one that doesn't take skill should really be trying for Angelics, right?), but then something died and I decided to see if I could finish it anyway. I could - too bad I couldn't pull off my first full win =X

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 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Nathan, level 3 Arch-Vile Major Scout,
 sacrificed himself to kill the Mastermind at the Hell Fortress.
 He survived 7974 turns and scored 49107 points.
 He played for 14 minutes and 41 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 89 out of 477 hellspawn. (18%)
 Who gave him the ticket to Hell, anyway?
 He was an Archangel of Pacifism!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 2
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Major Icarus Cross
  Compet-n Gold Cross

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/50   Experience 1518/3
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)

  HR->HR->DM->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   nothing
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [2/2] (76%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] onyx armor [2]
    [b] large med-pack
    [c] phase device
    [d] power mod pack
    [e] power mod pack
    [f] bulk mod pack

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Acid       - internal 25%   torso 25%   feet 50% 
    Fire       - internal 25%   torso 25%   feet 25% 

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    2 former humans
    9 imps
    13 lost souls
    40 cacodemons
    21 hell knights
    1 former commando
    1 pain elemental
    1 mancubus
    1 Spider Mastermind

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He left level 2 as soon as possible.
  He left level 6 as soon as possible.
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  He left level 9 as soon as possible.
  On level 9 he entered Hell's Armory.
  He left the Armory without drawing too much attention.
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  On level 17 he found the Hellwave Pack!
  On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
  He left level 21 as soon as possible.
  He left level 23 as soon as possible.
  Then at last he found Dis!
  He nuked level 24!
  He defeated the Mastermind and found the TRUE EVIL!
  On level 25 he finally sacrificed himself to kill the Mastermind.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 hits the hell knight. The hell knight dies. You dodge! The hell knight hits
 you.
 You start running! Boom!
 John Carmack reloads his rocket launcher. You dodge! The missile hits the
 hell knight. You dodge! The missile hits the hell knight. You dodge! You
 dodge! The missile hits the hell knight.
 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed. You are hit!
 You are hit! The hell knight dies. The hell knight dies. The hell knight
 dies. The hell knight dies. The hell knight dies.
 You dodge! You dodge! You are hit!
 You dodge! You dodge! John Carmack reloads his rocket launcher.
 You dodge! The missile hits the hell knight. You dodge! You dodge! You dodge!
 The missile hits the hell knight.
 You dodge! You dodge! The missile hits the hell knight.
 You dodge! The missile hits John Carmack. You are hit! You are hit! Your
 phaseshift armor is completely destroyed! You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 791 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 700 of those were killed.
 2 of those were killed by something unknown.
 20 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 49 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 20 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 6 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 14 killed the bitch and survived.

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[Evilpotatoe]

Don't forget you can go to the mortuary/limbo for a nuclear BFG.

Not the easiest place, of course, but considering how late it is, it's probably a good idea to go use some homing phase in, and get your chances for a full win.

Invulnerability globes on hell 6/7 are not that much rare :)

[Sereg]

I'm clueless about most of the special levels... I'm aware of the nuclear BFG, but the thought didn't even cross my mind... I see the Mortuary/Limbo staircase, shudder, and look for the other staircase.

I've been in both a couple times by accident due to invulnerability or berserk, and both are terrifying.

Edit: Ok, so I've just tried the Mortuary, and... fuck the Mortuary. They don't ever stop coming. How many Arch-Viles are there...?

Edit2: Yep, fuck Limbo, too. These are both impossible.

[Klear]

Edit2: Yep, fuck Limbo, too. These are both impossible.

That's what makes the feeling when you finally complete them so much sweeter... Ignore them for now (though if you have a homing phase, they are good for refreshment) and one day (not very far from now) you'll suddenly be able to do them.

[grommile]

Edit: Ok, so I've just tried the Mortuary, and... fuck the Mortuary. They don't ever stop coming. How many Arch-Viles are there...?

Six (five on HNTR, seven on UV/N!). Bring something to thin out the corpses (the BFG from Spider's Lair/Halls of Carnage is a good choice). A homing phase doesn't hurt, either; it might land you next to the nuclear BFG.

[scotherns]

Blood/fire/hatred skulls or a BFG shot are a good first move on arrival at the Mortuary. Lots of rockets and/or BFG shots will clear out the corpses, but be careful not to destroy the goodies in the corners. Similar tactics work in Limbo.

[Tormuse]

And don't forget that City of Skulls/Abyssal Plains has Hatred/Fire/Blood Skulls as a reward; very useful in Mortuary/Limbo.

Funnily enough, I also had the experience of nuking the Mastermind while invulnerable, only to find that I couldn't kill JC in an AoPc game.  Probably, everyone's done it once.  :P  (Hmm...  You're making me want to see if I can get a full win in AoPc!)  :D

[Klear]

And don't forget that City of Skulls/Abyssal Plains has Hatred/Fire/Blood Skulls as a reward; very useful in Mortuary/Limbo.

Funnily enough, I also had the experience of nuking the Mastermind while invulnerable, only to find that I couldn't kill JC in an AoPc game.  Probably, everyone's done it once.  :P  (Hmm...  You're making me want to see if I can get a full win in AoPc!)  :D

Actually, my first AoPc win was a full win. I've managed to do it a couple of times. It depends on luck, obviously, and you usually have to sacrifice yourself to kill JC, but it can be done.

[Tormuse]

...but it can be done.

It sure can!  :D

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 Tormuse, level 11 Cyberdemon Lt. Colonel Scout,
 sacrificed himself to kill the Mastermind at the Hell Fortress.
 He survived 10580 turns and scored 48007 points.
 He played for 19 minutes and 33 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 10 out of 460 hellspawn. (2%)
 My, wasn't he a wimpy chump.
 He was an Angel of Pacifism!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 5
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Major Icarus Cross
  Compet-n Gold Cross

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/80   Experience 274/11
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Ironman          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Tough as nails   (Level 2)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Intuition        (Level 1)
    Badass           (Level 2)

  HR->HR->DM->TaN->Iro->Iro->Iro->TaN->Int->Bad->Bad->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   duelist armor [2/2] (100%) (A)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   combat knife (2d5)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [2/2] (96%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [b] green armor [1/1] (82%)
    [c] blue armor [2/2] (63%)
    [d] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [e] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [f] nanofiber red armor [2]
    [g] small med-pack
    [h] small med-pack
    [i] small med-pack
    [j] small med-pack
    [k] small med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] envirosuit pack
    [r] tactical boots [0/0] (100%)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 0%    torso 50%   feet 0%   
    Melee      - internal 0%    torso 50%   feet 0%   
    Shrapnel   - internal 0%    torso 50%   feet 0%   
    Acid       - internal 0%    torso 0%    feet 50% 
    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 0%    feet 25% 

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    3 former humans
    2 former sergeants
    3 imps
    1 Spider Mastermind
    1 John Carmack

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He left level 7 as soon as possible.
  On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
  On level 9 he entered Deimos Lab.
  He left the Deimos Lab without drawing too much attention.
  He left level 11 as soon as possible.
  On level 11 he witnessed the Wall.
  Not knowing what to do, he left.
  On level 12 he found the City of Skulls.
  He fled the City in terror!
  On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
  On level 17 he assembled a nanofiber armor!
  On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
  On level 18 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 19 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  He left level 20 as soon as possible.
  He left level 22 as soon as possible.
  He left level 23 as soon as possible.
  Then at last he found Dis!
  He nuked level 24!
  He defeated the Mastermind and found the TRUE EVIL!
  He nuked level 25!
  Then finally in Hell itself, he killed the final EVIL.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 This is it. This is the lair of all evil! What will you meet here?
 Are you sure you want activate the thermonuclear bomb? [Y/n]
 You use a thermonuclear bomb. Warning! Explosion in 10 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 9 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 8 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
 No way! You're a pacifist! Congratulations! You defeated John Carmack! Press
 <Enter>...
 You feel relatively safe now.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 392 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 279 of those were killed.
 4 of those were killed by something unknown.
 75 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 10 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 24 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 2 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 13 killed the bitch and survived.
 9 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

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(The mortem probably isn't worthy of its own thread, so I hope Sereg doesn't mind)  :)

And just for fun...

He seems kind of conflicted!  :D

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 Tormuse, level 3 Cyberdemon Lt. Colonel Technician,
 nuked himself on level 2 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 1121 turns and scored 16075 points.
 He played for 2 minutes and 20 seconds.
 He opposed the Nightmare!

 He killed 33 out of 79 hellspawn. (41%)
 He was an Angel of Pacifism!

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 11
  Levels visited   : 1
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  None

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/50   Experience 1778/3
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Technician

    Tough as nails   (Level 2)
    Badass           (Level 1)

  TaN->TaN->Bad->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   combat knife (2d5)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   nothing
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] large med-pack

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    None

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    17 former humans
    2 former sergeants
    3 imps
    4 demons
    3 lost souls
    4 cacodemons

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He left level 2 as soon as possible.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He nuked level 2!
  On level 2 he finally nuked himself.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
 No way! You're a pacifist! The crowds cheer! "Blood! Blood!" No way! You're a
 pacifist! The crowds cheer! "Kill! Kill!" No way! You're a pacifist! The
 crowds cheer! "Blood! Blood!" No way! You're a pacifist! The crowds go wild!
 "BLOOD! BLOOD!" No way! You're a pacifist! The crowds cheer! "Blood! Blood!"
 No way! You're a pacifist! The crowds go wild! "BLOOD! BLOOD!" No way! You're
 a pacifist! You advance to level 3! Press <Enter>...
 The crowds go wild! "BLOOD! BLOOD!" No way! You're a pacifist! The crowds go
 wild! "BLOOD! BLOOD!" No way! You're a pacifist! The crowds go wild! "BLOOD!
 BLOOD!" The voice booms, "Not bad mortal! For the weakling that you are, you
 show some determination." You hear screams everywhere! "More Blood! More
 BLOOD!" The voice continues, "I can now let you go free, or you may try to
 complete the challenge!" "Do you want to continue the fight?" [y/n]
 The voice booms, "Coward!" You hear screams everywhere! "Coward! Coward!
 COWARD!" You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 393 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 279 of those were killed.
 4 of those were killed by something unknown.
 76 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 10 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 24 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 2 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 13 killed the bitch and survived.
 9 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

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(Read the last messages)  :)

[thelaptop]

I dunno if we're going to fix the "dialogues" inherent in the special levels... it requires too much effort for too little effect.

We'll probably leave that in for the comedic effect, considering the Doom Comic exists already.

[Sereg]

Nope, I don't mind - hell, if yours wasn't worthy of its own thread, mine sure wasn't - I didn't even get the FW, lol.