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Master trait discussion 1: Gunrunner
Thomas:
Getting the entire eats, shoots and leaves move, shoot and fire schtick by level 6 would be insane. Gunrunner as it stands in my eyes, is perhaps 80-90% as powerful as shottyhead/MAD already.
Also, as fireangel and gunrunner are right now, it actually makes more sense for fireangel to be a shotgun trait and gunrunner to be a general trait. Fireangel, even ignoring its requirements, assumes that you are dodging in combat and makes it better. Gunrunner gives you the ability to dodge in combat. If both of them had their requirements/blocks removed, fireangel would still only see play by shotgunners.
By that logic, I guess I'd remove the no-rapidfire restriction on gunrunner. If someone finds a laser rifle halfway through their gunrunner run, who is Kornel to say no? (he's the game designer, he gets to say no whenever)
Aki:
--- Quote from: Thomas on September 14, 2013, 08:57 ---Getting the entire eats, shoots and leaves move, shoot and fire schtick by level 6 would be insane. Gunrunner as it stands in my eyes, is perhaps 80-90% as powerful as shottyhead/MAD already.
Also, as fireangel and gunrunner are right now, it actually makes more sense for fireangel to be a shotgun trait and gunrunner to be a general trait. Fireangel, even ignoring its requirements, assumes that you are dodging in combat and makes it better. Gunrunner gives you the ability to dodge in combat. If both of them had their requirements/blocks removed, fireangel would still only see play by shotgunners.
By that logic, I guess I'd remove the no-rapidfire restriction on gunrunner. If someone finds a laser rifle halfway through their gunrunner run, who is Kornel to say no? (he's the game designer, he gets to say no whenever)
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Until I give it another playthrough I can't really agree with you on that note - considering it's only used while running. If you were able to do that ALL the time, then i'd agree that it's a bit broken. Perhaps my playstyle is too cautious? I just don't see it up to par with some of the other traits.
As for Fireangel, i'd honestly see the main use of that to be AoPc. Other traits would be more effective in other areas.
You're right about the restrictions, but from a technical and balance perspective I think it'd make more sense the other way around. Logically, too. Running with shotguns is very Doomish and used in a lot of speedruns, but taking a lava bath isn't really exclusive to a shotgun. It'd also be harder to aim a pistol/chaingun/PALSMA rifle while running too, considering the shotgun's fire and forget.
Taking a lava bath is a sign of being a badass, and whilst weilding shotguns makes you a badass, being badass doesn't always require you to have a shotgun. /shot
Eyro:
Another thing to note: Even if Gunrunner is underpowered compared to the other traits, that doesn't mean it needs to be changed, you gotta consider the prerequisites as well as other traits that go well with it. It might be designed as a "magikarp" Master Trait.
Aki:
--- Quote from: Eyro on September 14, 2013, 09:16 ---Another thing to note: Even if Gunrunner is underpowered compared to the other traits, that doesn't mean it needs to be changed, you gotta consider the prerequisites as well as other traits that go well with it. It might be designed as a "magikarp" Master Trait.
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Indeed, kinda like Ammochain with a modded whizkid plasma rifle. But even after you take Shottyman, it's still only 80-90% as good as MAD and MSh, even in Thomas's opinion (No offense, I just disagree there).
Eyro:
I dunno, I look at the trait as passing up some demon killing ability for enhancing your survivability (Although killing stuff does help you survive...)
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