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Whizkid, Modpack Rarity, and Assemblies
Eyro:
Yeah, I understand that scavenger has a powerful ability in making the RNG favor you modpack wise by way of throwing shittons of mods at you, and I understand there needs to be a trade off.
But holy shit we get to do -nothing-. o_O
White Rider:
Scavenger standard run? Excuse me while I try it. I've never tried it outside of 100/666.
Aki:
--- Quote from: Eyro on October 01, 2013, 20:46 ---Yeah, I understand that scavenger has a powerful ability in making the RNG favor you modpack wise by way of throwing shittons of mods at you, and I understand there needs to be a trade off.
But holy shit we get to do -nothing-. o_O
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Yeah. You're basically locked into shotguns (Unless you want to do Melee without Berserker/MMB, Pistols without Dualgunner/MSs, or Rapidfires without Triggerhappy/MAC) - and even then, shotguns don't have a powerful assembly apart from nanoshrapnel which isn't as good as some of the advanced assemblies, and you lose out on the benefits of armor assemblies because shotguns, especially nanoshrapnel, favor cornershooting. I mean, a Nanoshrapnel SSG would be awesome, but how lucky would you have to be with the RNG for that to happen? And that's the best case scenario.
And that's assuming you get your modpacks from uniques and exotics - first, you have to take into account it's only ranged weapons, so all of those duelist armors and energy shields and phaseshift sets and stuff? Yeah, those don't count. Second, you have to realize that you can only get the "good" packs from uniques - Exotics only have a chance to give Sniper or Firestorm packs, not nano or onyx packs. Thirdly, you have to take into account that you have only a 1/3 chance at best of getting your desired pack - and 33% isn't exactly lucky odds. And all that's without taking into account the rarity of uniques and exotics - without getting really lucky, you'll probably only see 5-6 uniques on an Ao100 game - and assuming that about 1/3 of those are armours/boots (In reality, 11/26 uniques are able to be disassembled), you'll have 4 shots on average of getting your modpack - leading you to get about 1 nano pack per game from MSc - on Ao100, which you'll probably get a good modpack drop from anyway plus you'll get to keep your uniques and exotics.
Then in actually picking the trait path - you have to choose your poison. Go straight for the master trait and have no early game advantages? Go for Relx2+SM and put off the master trait for a few more levels, meaning you'll have to carry around those exotics and uniques and waste your inventory space? Either way, you're going to have to take EEx2, which is going to be pretty much useless to you. And if you're playing harder difficulties, without vast reserves of ammo and lucky knockbacks good luck to you clearing out those harder mobs on the first few floors, since either way you're not going to have (m)any traits to give you advantages compared to other builds.
It just doesn't seem to be worth it on paper, but I really like the idea - hence why I said if someone can prove me wrong and show it's a great master trait then i'd really appreciate it.
--- Quote from: White Rider on October 01, 2013, 20:48 ---Scavenger standard run? Excuse me while I try it. I've never tried it outside of 100/666.
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Doable but you'd be handicapping yourself unless you got REALLY lucky - in which case, you might as well have gotten an AFJ or GCB on a pistol run or something like that.
thelaptop:
Damnit Aki, more PEW PEW, less QQ. Don't tell me that you are so uningenious that you can't figure out a cool strat for a given Master Trait?
Aki:
--- Quote from: thelaptop on October 01, 2013, 22:00 ---Damnit Aki, more PEW PEW, less QQ. Don't tell me that you are so uningenious that you can't figure out a cool strat for a given Master Trait?
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At times like this, I honestly can't tell if you're insulting me or it's your sense of humor. I'm not good with this stuff ;_;
As for more Pew pew, i'm playing AoMC atm. Does that count?
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