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Sylph:
i just got my strongman diamond badge. :D
Took me 3 successful tries though, one of them might have attributed a kill to the chainsaw (but I doubt it).
Another has me completely stumped, almost never changed from fists, refused to use hellwave packs, shockwave packs, skulls, arena master's staff etc because I was scared of them disqualifying me. I have a feeling I *might* have been disqualified because, after using an overcharged plasma rifle, I never switched weapons before killing the cyberdemon/mastermind. (That is, I went down the stairs holding an overcharged plasma rifle, gave him the one and only volley from the weapon, then finished with my empty hands after the overcharged rifle dissapeared).



Interestingly, I was investigating the triggers for failing, by savescumming on a staircase, and checking character screen stats (namely 'total kills' vs 'melee kills') to check which kills were attributed to melee. Wierdly enough, an imp fireball killing a demon on the same turn that I shot (and hit) said demon with a pistol, did not disqualify me (that is it did not register a non-melee kill!). There's something weird going on, and I'm just glad to have finished so that it's not a 'weird' I need to deal with any more! :D

Tormuse:

--- Quote from: Sylph on November 27, 2013, 05:10 ---i just got my strongman diamond badge. :D

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Ooh, congrats!  :D  Is there a mortem coming?  Or is that the game where you were save scumming and you'd rather not post it?


--- Quote from: Sylph on November 25, 2013, 01:26 ---Turmuse - what would you deem 'absolutely necessary'?
I can't get through phobos 2 and the arena without at least shooting imps once to pull them over to me and finish them in 1-2 hits. I also don't have a chance of doing the arena without shooting demons and cacodemons.
Phobos 3 is similarly difficult, as are the first few hellknights.
A bit of guidance as to what absolutely necessary is would help me TONS!

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Ah, I guess you and I have a different definition of "absolutely necessary."  ;)  In my Strongman Diamond game from the previous version, I skipped a majority of the special levels.  If you're trying to clear Hell's Arena, then you'll definitely have to use weapons a lot more than I did.  As it was, it was a while ago, but don't think I even used weapons at all in that game.  As for Hell Knights, avoid them unless you're berserk, either from a berserk pack or by shooting a barrel at point-blank range.  Alternatively, if there's a single Hell Knight (or even two of them?) and no one else is around that might get hit by stray shots, you can juggle them with the shotgun (preferably by corner-shooting) until they're at point-blank range and then punch them to finish them off.  Needless to say, you need to be very careful that you don't fire too many times and accidentally kill anyone when you're weakening them with your weapons.  I gave up trying to do it, but maybe you'll have better luck with it and you can disregard my advice to avoid it.  :)

Sylph:

--- Quote from: Tormuse on November 27, 2013, 23:26 ---Ooh, congrats!  :D  Is there a mortem coming?  Or is that the game where you were save scumming and you'd rather not post it?
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No, it wasn't the savescummed game. I savescummed after my first 'unfair' failure, to try to see if I could get down how exactly the mechanics worked. I failed to really identify anything of note, but then just got back on the road. I didn't post the mortem because it didn't feel worth discussing... I think I've done too many strongman runs (both 'successful' and dying) that they started to blend into one! Having said that, I've just typed 2 paragraphs about it that might be worth posting in the morten forum, if nothing else to help weaker players than myself (if there are any on these forums) get through the ordeal. So consider yourself a muse! Mortem is here:
http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6842.0.html


--- Quote ---Ah, I guess you and I have a different definition of "absolutely necessary."  ;)  In my Strongman Diamond game from the previous version, I skipped a majority of the special levels.  If you're trying to clear Hell's Arena, then you'll definitely have to use weapons a lot more than I did.
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Yeah, I tried to skip the arena for my first few attempts, but actually found more success going for it, I found it's not too tricky if you get brute 3 before berserker.

--- Quote --- As it was, it was a while ago, but don't think I even used weapons at all in that game.  As for Hell Knights, avoid them unless you're berserk, either from a berserk pack or by shooting a barrel at point-blank range.  Alternatively, if there's a single Hell Knight (or even two of them?) and no one else is around that might get hit by stray shots, you can juggle them with the shotgun (preferably by corner-shooting) until they're at point-blank range and then punch them to finish them off.  Needless to say, you need to be very careful that you don't fire too many times and accidentally kill anyone when you're weakening them with your weapons.  I gave up trying to do it, but maybe you'll have better luck with it and you can disregard my advice to avoid it.  :)
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I wouldn't possibly have enough berserk pack luck to manage that strategy! In almost all my attempts I'd have to fight hell knights without berserk packs. I dealt with them exactly as you described - shotgun trap round a corner, use running mode if necessary, and finish them on melee. I actually found that risking the possibility of killing a target with a shotgun (like point-blank shotgunning 'wounded' demons/cacodemons, or 'heavily wounded' hellknights) results in a much better chance/time of success, than trying to 'play it safe'. That is, it's better to risk disqualifying yourself from the very small chance of killing a wounded demon with a shotgun, than it is to take extra damage from every demon you meet, which adds up.
I didn't try berserking myself from barrels. It's on my list of skills I need to learn. I understood that it would only be a good chance of berserk from acid barrels or laval barrels. Does it work on regular barrels too? i'm guessing it's suicidal to try without at least blue armour, or does the knockback bug make it safe even with green?
Oh, and regarding shotguns, despite attacking wounded demons, by far my most common failure was from killing a lost soul or former behind the demon you are shotgunning and out of sight range, particularly where barrels are involved. On that note, 'aimed shot' with a pistol, targetting it to travel into a wall if it fails to hit, is a huge help to this challenge, and I'd recommend this challenge to anyone, just to learn (as I did) the way the monster AI responds to taking minor damage - it's as important as gift dropping! Can't believe I hadn't realised it before!

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