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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2013, 16:46 »

I'd also like to see some form of maintenance/ventilation system we can try and scurry around in. Keyword being 'try'.
Well, this would probably have to come out as a (something of a) floor generator of a pseudo-second floor, and if should have any sense, it needs to be well connected to the ground floor.
I like this concept, I like it a lot. On the other hand, really, I would not like to be the one to develop it.
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2013, 16:53 »

How about this ventilation-system level being a 'secret exit' from one of the standard levels, that actually SKIPS content (so, it takes you from, say, hell's arena to phobos 6 (equivalent)), but features:

- zero monsters
- a real-life time limit
- a horrendously claustrophobic maze (like the old doomrl maze levels, when they were 1 tile wide)
- potential rewards equalling levels skipped (though it would be impractical to find them all), so in this example a chainsaw and a few modpacks...
- angel of darkness-style lack of map history

Or something to that effect.
The idea is, a ventilation level that a player can use to skip content, but is extremely high-risk. There was a level similar to this in 'alien breed' (an amazing old amiga game) that featured dramatic music and alarms and the like, and was a really memorable part of the experience for most players, despite (or perhaps because of) it's total lack of aliens to fight... I'll find a youtube link...
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 17:02 »



Somewhat like this level. Very atmospheric when the lights go out.

Extra good if you increase claustrophobia with no memory-mapping (think angel of darkness).
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2013, 05:58 »

So this is more of a throw-away idea, maybe like an easter egg or something, but I was 'discussing' eugenics today with a couple of guys at work, and it occurred to me that certain almost-unanimously evil figures (Stalin, Hitler, etc.) could be found within hell. It seems like a big bad boss that's been led up to for several levels turning out to be some short dude with half a moustache would be rather underwhelming, but it'd be fun to occasionally take aim at a former, only to have it be Hitler or some such. Then, BOOM goes the shotty: instant gratification.

(This also assumes that the 'Hell' in question is the traditional one, not a hellish alien planet or some such thing...)
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 20:28 »

I second the inclusion of Hitler and Stalin in DOOMRL.
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2014, 20:51 »

I recall reading something about Jupiter Hell which mentioned two classes of demonic opponents, one of which was sort of a Lovecraftian/Eldritch/Nightmare Horror type entity.

Any thoughts on including a Sanity system, like ToME or Eternal Darkness, to allow additional gameplay consequences for dealing with these opponents?
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2014, 06:04 »

I don't know how sanity works in those, so forgive me if I'm missing the point, but it would be cool if it worked like this:
Each second you are within X spaces of an insanity-causing monster, your sanity falls by one.
Each second you are away from such monsters, your sanity rises by one.
You start at 5 sanity.
At 4 sanity, you have a chance to do random actions instead of what you want. (Like confusion in Pokemon.)
At 3 sanity, you can't move toward them, but can still move away. (Too scared to approach.)
At 2 sanity, you stop being able to use actions other than moving and attacking.
At 1 sanity, you stop being able to move.
At 0 sanity, you stop being able to control your character. He falls into a simple pre-set behaviour pattern: shoot if he has a loaded gun, drop it and pull another if it runs out, run if he can't shoot or if the horror is within 2 spaces of him. At this point you either kill it while 'blacked out' or get away, or die, but no matter what it should be pretty scary to lose control like that!
If you had a trait like Badass or Berserker, that could let a player have like 3 more starting sanity. That would give melee characters a chance to close, and be somewhat on-theme.
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2014, 07:16 »

It would also help the feel of it if you had a visual representation of this, too. Something like swirly semi-transparent black and red mists creeping from the outside edges of the screen inwards, so that at 0 sanity it was almost covered. And text notifications like when you first see it; 'You feel immense dread when you see the horror before you.' Then as sanity falls; 'You start to feel panicky.' 'You are shaking in your boots!' 'You can't think straight!' 'You are frozen by terror!' 'You black out!'
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2014, 01:22 »

Cricket.
Cricket.

Anyway... I brought this up in a couple other places, having forgot this was the place for it: I would kindly like to see rifle-type weapons, please!
Kornel already said in another post that rifles were being saved for DoomRL 2, so this is probably already covered, so just take this as a friendly reminder.
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2014, 03:20 »

I support the inclusion of rifles. Can't have a game like this without some sort of Alien-esque Pulse Rifle. The DOOM 3 Plasma Rifle was also really cool; I think that could serve as at least an aesthetic inspiration.

A sanity system sounds good, but given that Kornel wanted the game to have a fast pace, it might get in the way of that. I think I'd support a streamlined version, though.
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2014, 13:09 »

I would suggest adding some sort of lightning system, not only for stealth but to spice up the combat.

In most roguelike games ranged combat is kind of dull, without being able to take cover or aim manually it boils down to be able to shoot down enemies when they are within your view radius or not being able to when they are not while at the same time trying to minimize the amount of them that can shoot at you. DoomRL probably has some of the best ranged combat in RLs in general, but maybe it could still be spiced up a little

I think adding a lightning system to the game that influences gunplay and stealth would be fun. Most areas should have the default ambient lightning, making it play similar to regular DoomRL. But other areas (which I will call dark levels) could have no ambient lightning by themselves but instead sprinkled destroyable light sources to change the pace.

This should be the levels of lightning, for example, a point light source like a lantern should create varying levels of lightning around it depending on distance. Shooting a gun also creates a point source of lighting for an instant, letting you take a peek at the area. But of course, there are better ways to go about it than making light and noise to attract monsters.

Level 0: Pitch black.
Only enemies adjacent to the player can be detected and only adjacent tiles are mapped. Great for stealth against enemies whose main way of detecting you is sight, like former humans and machines that operate at the visible spectrum, like security cameras. Not as good against monsters.

Enemies that shoot in your direction take a huge penalty to accuracy if they shoot you while you are in the dark. Same goes for you. Whoever it also has disadvantages, reloading and usage of inventory items takes longer unless you are using some item or trait that improves your visibility.
This is the kind of lightning present in areas with no sort of lightning whatsoever, like completely enclosed rooms. This areas are rare, most of dark levels will use level 1 lightning instead when there are no sources of light nearby.

Level 1: Very dark.

You can see and shoot enemies up to three-four tiles away with no penalty. Further away than that you start having trouble hitting them and even detecting them. Further than 4 tiles you can detect their presence but you can't see what kind of enemy it is. Further than that you can't see them at all. Accuracy penalties are not as steep, but they are still there. No penalty to speed while managing inventory or such.

The mapping of the area is only reduced by two tiles. For the most part, dark levels use this lightning, switching to level 2 as you approach lightning sources.

Level 2: Dark

The default lightning level for most of the game, which is to say, the ambient lightning in regular non-dark levels. Works like DoomRL did or whatever is the default in Jupiter Hell.

In dark levels it acts like a transition between Levels 1 and 3: Enemies in level 2 lightning areas will be detected, recognized and shot as if they were in the above (default lightning level). Same goes for the player. This is the kind of lighting present when there a light source illuminating the area directly, but somewhat far from where you currently are.


Level 3: Light
This is the lightning level when close to a light source. When standing in it inventory management and reload speed, accuracy (even against enemies in the dark, though not enough offset the defense the dark provides) is increased. But at the same time, accuracy towards you while standing in it is also increased and the radius at which someone standing in a light area can be targeted is 1.25 times the regular one.


Level 3: Light Source
Same as above, but with a catch. Light sources only occupy one tile, but their location is always known as long as you have direct line of sight to them (it shows up on the map or maybe as a cursor), same for monsters.

Light sources can be objects (maybe barrels on fire that can be pushed or shot to destroy them, also, lamps), maybe a special type of monster or the player's flashlight.




There could be interesting mechanics with light, for example, against armed former humans hiding in the dark could certainly help against them. But of course, they should be smart enough to know this and avoid it. However the player could force them into the light by using flares (maybe throwable items?), switches to turn on the light in their area while basking in the dark himself.

Against monsters and demons, because of their nature I don't think darkness would be a huge problem to them, so the player should do the opposite, try to light everything as much as possible for the increased range and extra benefits. Light maybe should also hurt or make the monsters less of a threat in someway, while staying in the dark exposes you to being mauled.
So in a nutshell, former humans are better dealt with from the dark, monsters are better dealt with from the light. This forces the players to decide which considers a bigger threat and act accordingly.

There should also be items meant (and maybe selectable traits) for the different situations. Night vision googles are meant for exploring the darkness, but can break easily during combat and their electromagnetic activity can make defense sentries and robots detect you. The flashlight lights up the area but exposes you to former humans and things with good eyesight. Traversing the darkness blind exposes you to monsters.  Night vision scope increases your accuracy in the dark but does not actually help at navigating dark areas.

Maybe there should be more to the mechanics, maybe they are too complicated, but overall, I think maybe having some of these system might make things more fun (though slower paced) to some degree, what do you think?
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2014, 21:48 »

I like the lighting system better than the sanity system, FWIW.
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2014, 16:09 »

Sorry for being silent lately, let's get on with it!

1. Cover system will probably be included. We're still thinking on how to make it work without the need for a shitload of new animations though.
2. Lighting will be much more complex than in DoomRL and AliensRL - there's a lot of planning on level "themes" that introduce some sort of general obstacle. Low light levels with melee enemies was one of them. Also, vision and light will be separate - both will be needed to see (unless proper equipment is used ;) )
3. Sanity system might make it, although I don't want to go overboard here -- a corruption system will however be in, and be tied to stuff that usually causes sanity loss.
4. JH will have a much more varied arsenal in terms of basic weapons than DoomRL did - we're not bound by any IP, so expect both old-time favorites (double shotguns) as well as shiny newcomers (assault rifles, flamethrowers, etc).
5. Pereza0, you're lighting post is something I bookmark for future reference, thanks!
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2014, 17:48 »

I got some ideas for Jupiter Hell, but I held it off since the thread was old and worried about necroposting:
1. Make use of the 3rd Dimension for High Ground Advantage, such as Catwalks and Balconies(possibly with low walls/cover options)
2. More Damage Types than DoomRL, especially when it comes to Player/Enemy weapon damage.
3. More defensive strategies. I always hated how DoomRL didn't let you attempt to Dodge a bullet and return fire without the enemy firing twice unless you picked a
   specific master trait. In cases without cover, what's the point of dodging if your next offensive move will most likely force you to get hit? Some enemies should also
   employ some of these defensive strategies, but only if the enemy in question is smart enough to do so. Other enemies would probably just run up to you and shoot
   you.
4. More Varying Badges for each tier(like 30-40 equivalent difficulty badges instead of ~26, each with unique ways to achieve them).
5. More Challenges, and Possibly some "Facilities", which are opposite from challenges in difficulty, making the game SLIGHTLY easier, but still restrictive,
    such as Angel of Chaingunnery or Angel of Barrel Destruction, which forces you to destroy every explosive barrel before the stairs become usable(they still appear
   even if none of the barrels have been destroyed yet.) Angel of Barrel Destruction would be balanced by forcing Levers to not spawn at all. Who else hates those
   Acid/Lava Barrels?
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Re: Gameplay and Background Ideas
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2014, 17:54 »

1. we consider that, but only as long as it's flat from top down view. Might be tricky to represent in the ASCII client version though.
2. granted
3. cover + dodge are the current mains. Once we have a playable prototype we'll probably ask for more input/brainstorming
4. people seem to have either a love or hate relation to badges - but we definitively want to have more, and tie them more into the game
5. apart from regular challenge games, we plan on adding additional character classes that represent a challenge. Actually any class apart from the core 3 (or 5) will be considered a challenge class and significantly harder than a regular game, but at the same time giving you cool powers/possibilities not available to a regular class
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