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[MedO]

First time I ever got this far and faced the Cyberdemon. I almost got him, too. First emptied an overcharged Plasma Rifle at him and he was only scratched (ok...). After that, just bathing him in plasma (never got a BFG) until he was mortally wounded, then I made a mistake and delayed my last health pack a bit too long. I was at 40-some percent health when I got hit again by his rocket launcher, and that was it.

I just ran for the stairs in most lower levels, since the Aracs were getting on my nerves and the Arch-Viles were pretty unpleasant... I got one, which was unfortunately between me and the stairs, with an overcharged plasma rifle. But after that I just managed to run to the next level whenever I heard one.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.5) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Simeon, level 7 Demon Sergeant, killed by a Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 97598 turns and scored 11536 points.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 247 out of 345 hellspawn. (72%)

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He stormed the Chained Court.
 He ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 He fought on Hell's Arena.
 He became a champion of Hell's Arena!
 He invaded Spider's lair.
 He faced The Wall.
 He wandered into the Unholy Cathedral.

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -10/50   Experience 16714/7
  ToHit +9  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Son of a bitch (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 3)
    Cateye         (Level 1)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   red armor [1/4] (1%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [8/40]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [8/8] (63%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] blue armor [2/2] (94%)
    [b] chainsaw (4d6)
    [c] chaingun (1d6)x5 [35/50]
    [d] 10mm ammo (x12)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [k] power cell (x10)
    [l] power cell (x50)
    [m] power cell (x50)
    [n] thermonuclear bomb
    [o] phase device
    [p] large med-pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    41 former humans
    33 former sergeants
    10 former captains
    30 imps
    25 demons
    22 lost souls
    16 cacodemons
    5 hell knights
    16 arachnotrons
    8 former commandos
    3 pain elementals
    1 arch-vile

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 He started his journey on the suface of Phobos.
 On level 2 he battled through the complex.
 On level 3 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 Afterwards he fought on Hell's Arena.
 On level 4 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 He then stormed the Chained Court.
 On level 5 he battled through the complex.
 On level 6 he battled through the complex.
 On level 7 he battled through the complex.
 On level 8 he battled through the complex.
 On level 9 he battled through the complex.
 On level 10 he found hellish caves.
 On level 11 he battled through the complex.
 On level 12 he battled through the complex.
 On level 13 he battled through the complex.
 Afterwards he witnessed the Wall.
 On level 14 he found a hellish city.
 He then ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 On level 15 he found a hellish city.
 On level 16 he battled through the complex.
 Then he invaded the Unholy Cathedral.
 On level 17 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 18 he battled through the complex.
 On level 19 he found hellish caves.
 Then he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
 On level 20 he battled through the complex.
 On level 21 he found hellish caves.
 On level 22 he found hellish caves.
 On level 23 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 24 he found a hellish city.
 Then at last he found the Phobos Arena.
 There he finally was killed by a Cyberdemon.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 82 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 76 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 1 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 4 couldn't handle the stress and commited a stupid suicide.

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[TFoN]

Ahhh! Why don't you have a RL?! ALWAYS have a RL (AoB/Mr aside)!

Better luck next time :)

[MedO]

Thanks. I figured the RL does less damage in average than the Chaingun/Plasma Rifle at SoB3, so it'd be only useful against several enemies standing close together (or for blasting through walls). So I dumped it to have more place for ammo.

[Kornel Kisielewicz]

Considering the armor rules, the RL is a LOT more effective against the Cybie than the plasma rifle. 4d4-4 is better than 8d8-32.

[MedO]

Seems then that I don't understand the armor system correctly. I get (for SoB3):
RL: 4d4+3-4 = 4d4-1
PR: (1d8+3-4)x8 = (1d8-1)x8
Max damage: 15 (RL) vs. 56 (PR)
Min damage: 3(RL) vs. 0(PR)
Avg damage: 9(RL) vs. 28(PR)

So I guess small damage is reduced by another factor?

[TFoN]

No, that seems right, plus you always cause at least 1 point of damage, so mindmg on a PR should be 8 - but that's assuming all shots hit. PRs don't seem to be very accurate weapons, and if you were on coward, many could've easily missed (if I remember correctly. Haven't played in a while). RLs, however, I know will hit [almost?] always, fired at Cybie at EE(3), while coward or otherwise.

But if possible, just use a BFG. They don't miss (though they do have a max range), and have a damage of 8d8.

[MedO]

I managed to get to Cybie again, using the same perk path. Rand() was a bit easier on me today so I got less Arachnatrons and only one or two Arch-Viles, but my ammo supply was quite short towards the end. This time, I entered the Phobos arena not with one, but two overcharged Plasma Rifles (still didn't get a BFG, though that was by stupidity). The fight looked good at the beginning, but took a bad turn once my red armor was destroyed. I got him down to "mortally wounded" again, then hit him with a rocket then when he was out of view, and another burst of Plasma. He fired a rocket back, and I was down to 30-some percent health and no medkits left, so I started up the nuke and fired my very last burst of Plasma (really the last in my inventory). In came his next rocket which took me down, but at least I took him with me this time :-). Can't show the mortem though because of the Nuke-explodes-after-death-in-phobos-arena-mortem-bug. Would this be considered a "partial win" without the bug?

[Silencexy]

I guess I would, since the nuke would kill you anyway so the outcome is the same


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about the RL-issue; aside from damage statistics also consider the RL's knockback a big plus

[TFoN]

I don't think it knocks Cybie back, plus he has a longer LOS than you do.

A coward side-stepping Cybie's missiles is quite unlikely to be hit. A [maxed] Hellrunning coward's likely to not be hit at all. That means that with a couple of ranks in Hellrunner, all you really need to do to deal with him is to only fire at him after he does, and spend the rest of the time moving.