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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2015, 19:58 »

I wouldn't say that one example Sylph posted makes TB transphobic, but there's a litany of other things that make him problematic. I'll also say that affirmative action exists because there is still enough subdued racial bias on society that if it weren't in effect, we wouldn't see as many minorities in higher education.

I can see why you'd say that "both sides are bad", Sylph. But if one side's using smoke and mirrors to justify abusing women in gaming, calling SWAT teams to peoples' houses to further that abuse and defending child pornography because the main website they use happens to host it, as is explicitly documented in the links I posted...I can see why the anti-GG side might get a little terse.

I mean at this point there isn't a 'rational side' to GG. It's always been a front for abuse. The only people in GG who cared about anything other than that are the young gamers they hoodwinked to be their foot soldiers to spam Twitter, and almost all of them are gone now. This is all conclusively documented earlier in links earlier in the thread, no sleuthing required other than navigating to Page 1. For TB to still support them at this point, as opposed to merely supporting honest journalism, is dishonest.

It is a BAD thing try to change history. If some man make a gift or do something (good?) that memorized him any way IMHO we can't delete him from history even if hi later become a terrorist and kill dosens of citizens. No. Claim him any way but not change in the past. we are not in Orwell's "1984".

What does this even mean???
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2015, 21:26 »

What does this even mean???
It means Equality doesn't think we should be performing history revisionism, that all merits to be considered in the context of the time that the merit was obtained, and not have post facto actions denying the merit provided due to later developments outside of the historical context.

Equality, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2015, 22:33 »

exactly. Sorry for my ugly English =)
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2015, 00:02 »

It means Equality doesn't think we should be performing history revisionism, that all merits to be considered in the context of the time that the merit was obtained, and not have post facto actions denying the merit provided due to later developments outside of the historical context.

Equality, correct me if I'm wrong.
His nickname makes this statement quite funny :P

... and actually quite a bit deep.
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2015, 16:48 »

It means Equality doesn't think we should be performing history revisionism, that all merits to be considered in the context of the time that the merit was obtained, and not have post facto actions denying the merit provided due to later developments outside of the historical context.

I don't see how this is outside the context of TB talking about video games. I also don't see how removing the name of a person who intentionally and knowingly supports abuse is somehow 'changing history'.
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2015, 01:50 »

Don't quote me.  I am merely paraphrasing Equality's words.

I'm sitting out of this thread.  You already know the reasons.
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2015, 23:30 »

That's your choice. I was replying to Equality.
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2015, 20:55 »

I'd just like to weigh in by saying... I don't give a single solitary fuck.

I don't see the point of removing the name. If it's a statement, it's an almost infinitesimal one. And does anyone even use the random names? The only time I do, it's because I was trying to quickstart a character too fast and skipped the name entry screen by accident.

On the other hand, I also couldn't care less if it is removed, because it has a negligible effect on the game. I think in all my games where I accidentally got a random name(and there are lots, Sereg'ing badges requires lots of restarting, lol), I've never had that one come up.

I share Para's disappointment that anything even remotely related to the whole Gamergate bullshit festival has made it over to DoomRL, but as it is a game, I suppose there's some basis for a connection.

Other then that, though... I don't see how it has anything to do with anything, and the whole discussion seems like an exercise in futility - and yet, here I am, participating in it.
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2015, 21:27 »

I'd just like to weigh in by saying... I don't give a single solitary fuck.

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Other then that, though... I don't see how it has anything to do with anything, and the whole discussion seems like an exercise in futility - and yet, here I am, participating in it.

You went meta pretty fast.  But I suppose it's a good thing perhaps?
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Re: I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2015, 22:54 »

Heh. If I don't tell people I don't give a fuck, how will they know? ;)
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All of the sources you provided give no real basis for TotalBiscuit being this "evil sexist racist transphobe". Any blog can be very opinionated and should probably not be taken as total truth, especially these ones, as they seems to be painting him out as a villain without giving any real evidence, and as a result, I'm really questioning your viewpoint here.

It seems awfully reminiscent of a smear campaign, to be totally honest. Isn't it kind of strange that anyone against those sites or the state of games journalism in general is suddenly a transphobic pedophile?

I think you want him removed mostly out of personal opinion influenced by blogs rather than any solid fact, and for that reason alone, I cannot support this whatsoever. Keep E-drama as E-drama, not Chaosforge involved E-drama.

I apologize if I have come across as hostile. I am just tired of seeing innocent people defamed for no good reason.
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No blog or news article is 100% objective, so the better questions to ask would be how a piece is biased and how much it's biased. That's not to say blog posts can't contain objective information.

Which brings me to my main point here. I think the articles I linked DO contain at least some evidence that GamerGate is nothing more than desperate, deluded womanhaters willing to defend cybercriminals & child pornography in order to attack women, and that TotalBiscuit is cozying up to them & becoming a pretty nasty person in the process.

Even if the writers of the pieces are biased - and really, who wouldn't be biased against a group of desperate womanhaters unless they were either very ignorant of them or at least slightly sympathetic to them - their sources should be pretty clear. If you think the raw information displayed in those sources is not a big deal, I don't know what to say to you.

The fact that traditional games media (which would likely also be dismissed with claims of bias and low standards by GGers) does not cover this as much is both testament to how complex this issue is for sites like Kotaku and Rock Paper Shotgun, and testament to the need for people to talk about this.

The fact that you've apparently chosen to ignore all of that speaks more to your preconceptions than it does to any of my sources. And I can guess that you probably won't read too heavily into this post. I really, truly do not want to come across as hostile either with that last sentence, but this topic does happen to require a bit of study. I've presented facts. I'm not interested in debating people who deny them or their existence.
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I think the articles I linked DO contain at least some evidence that GamerGate is nothing more than desperate, deluded womanhaters willing to defend cybercriminals & child pornography
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I've presented facts.
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The jew was also the root of all evil if we go back to 1940, but do glorious generalizations (I mean god damn, all you need is to throw "nazis" in there and it'll be a complete Best of the Baddest collection) make for good facts?

Honestly, why is this even an issue in the first place?
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The only people in GG who cared about anything other than that are the young gamers they hoodwinked to be their foot soldiers to spam Twitter, and almost all of them are gone now.
Is it because you're actually one of the poor sods that are the 'foot soldiers' of the other front?
Why must we remove the name of The Big Bad that doesn't like your views?

Why must we care about your fight - and join it - when we are just some neutral corner of the internet?
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I'm just sad that this thread has gotten more of the forum's attention than the rest of the website combined.
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Trar, instead of posting links to articles that link to evidence, can you just post links to the evidence directly?

A screen-cap of TB being a misogynist would work far better than a URL to an article that describes TB as a misogynist and contains links to forum threads that contain links to more articles etc etc...

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a fan of TB, and have become less of a fan of him pretty much by the week recently, but I still haven't seen him being clearly over the line in any of these matters.

Your mistake here isn't the side of the battle you're on, it's trying to sway people's opinions by linking them to people trying to sway their opinions, instead of posting the evidence directly.
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