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I think the devs should remove TotalBiscuit's name from the game

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Tavana:

--- Quote from: Malek Deneith on January 28, 2015, 11:01 ---That's my $0.02 on the subject, please excuse if it's difficult to read - tends to happen when I start writing a longer post.

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All the blood in your alcohol system probably doesn't help, either.

Malek Deneith:

--- Quote from: Tavana on January 28, 2015, 12:54 ---All the blood in your alcohol system probably doesn't help, either.

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To put it in Discworld terms I'm probably at least half a drink below par.

thelaptop:

--- Quote from: Malek Deneith on January 28, 2015, 13:04 ---To put it in Discworld terms I'm probably at least half a drink below par.

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Wait, why are you drinking blood again?

Trar:

--- Quote from: Malek Deneith on January 28, 2015, 11:01 ---Thing is you claim TB is "toxic". You use the article linked as proof, but... it's one point of view. Throwing the thing into google you can get other, dissenting points like here for example (just a random one that came up). There are probably more sites that would support your claim, and more that would go against it. The point is that unless you're willing to dig deep down to the root of the goddamn thing - which would mean finding the original posts, videos and what not (which would probably mean also learning about the whole GamerGate SNAFU that thankfully blown over the parts of internet I frequent), the only way to decide on whom you trust is to flip a fucking coin.
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That website pretty clearly supports GamerGate, and its existence doesn't mean there's moral or especially numerical equivalency to both sides of the issue. As for what GamerGate is, you can read this for the origin, & this, this and this for good measure for the 'root of the thing' investigation. That last link by the way contains disturbing (not explicit, but quite disturbing) evidence of one of the home bases of GamerGate being a child pornography site.


--- Quote from: Malek Deneith on January 28, 2015, 11:01 ---Also, that aside let me tell you a small story, a comparison of sorts that came to my mind when mulling over the situation during the day. Here in Poland is a man called Jurek Owsiak. That man is known for one thing: every year for 23 years now he throws a big fucking charity event, one which gathers millions, usually despite the influential people in the country shitting on him, which then are spent on buying much needed medical equipment for hospitals through the country. There is also another man, Piotr Ikonowicz. He's a politician, but unlike most of that lot he doesn't keep his head stuck up his own ass and instead of growing fat of off people's taxes he prefers to spend his time running an office dedicated to people in need. So essentially two great chaps, right?
Well this year somewhere during or after the event he runs Owsiak spoke some rather stupid stuff on what should be done with how polish medicine functions. In reaction to that Iknowicz, in a column he runs in a newspaper I read, started to throw mud at Owsiak, all while beating his chest like a primate over how what he does for people is better.
So what should I do then? One could say both of these gentelmen went "toxic" so should I scoff and disavov them? Refuse to support Owsiak's charity event, ignore Iknowicz even though he's one of few politicians that seem to care about people?
I say no. And you know why? Because, at the end of the day both of these men are just human. And that means that they're prone to having faults, and no matter what they do they might have some stupid opinions too. But at the end of the day, what they do is worth more good than their occassional fuck-up does evil.
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Two otherwise decent politicians having a row isn't exactly the same as a person being consistently undecent. Maybe TB was alright in the past, but the fact is that he's decidedly much less so now.


--- Quote from: Malek Deneith on January 28, 2015, 11:01 ---"But Malek", I hear you say, "surely you can't compare making video game reviews to helping hospitals and people in general". Well true, what TB does is nowhere near that. But even so he does provide a valuable service: in this day where developers forgot what a demo is, where so called game journalism seems largely riding the hype train, TB is a surprisingly solid source of information on new releases. Each one he reviews is given a fair amount of time, with as much relevant information provided as his first-impressions format allows. He isn't afraid to rip a bad product or company a new one. And he tends to bring up good indie titles a lot, and they need all the press they can get, to not be drowned out by AAA companies with their megabucks advertising. And that, in my opinion has value. That is good. We gamers need stuff like that to make educated decisions on what to buy or not to buy. And in my opinion that's enough to overlook the occassional fuck up, assuming what the originally linked blog says is true. Because John Bain, as influential he might be, is still human and thus allowed to make errors, including errors of judgment.
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I agree, gaming journalism needs some better work being done. I'm fine with the concept of him looking at various games and giving his honest opinion. But I would classify the bad things he's done as more than an occasional screw-up. Mind you, the list in my link was of actions he did within the past five or so months alone, and it seems to indicate that he's, again, actively supporting and courting GamerGate because it's turning out good for him and because he seems to agree with it enough to do so. If you're thinking that isn't so bad, please read the pages I linked to at the beginning of this post. I'm giving them to you in good faith so that you can see for yourself that others have done the muckraking, the investigating, and you can indeed easily see what they're up to and make up your mind about it.

And if there's a majority of articles, opinions and evidence against GamerGate containing things such as sustained harassment of women and defense of child pornography, that might just be an indication of problems with GamerGate. Or that GamerGate is just made up entirely of problems, but I digress.


--- Quote from: Malek Deneith on January 28, 2015, 11:01 ---And frankly fuck it, when I go to view one of his vids I'm interested in the title he's reviewing, not in what his opinions on subject X is. On anything else I can make my mind up on my own.

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That's fair enough, but consider that his opinions might influence what you see of the title, and what he might do regarding that title. To say nothing of what others take away from listening to his opinion, or what he does at a wider level.

thelaptop:
Alright, that's enough from both of you.  I did warn that this request is not up for discussion.  Kornel will decide what to do about the request.

I'm locking this thread for now.

As for the debate on the nature of TotalBiscuit vis a vis gaming journalism and what-not, take it to the Off-Topic board.

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