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DaEezT:
Ok, this topic is about two things.
First: pre-generated maps where the entire game is generated during the character generation, similar to the way AliensRL does it. And since AliensRL already does it I'm mostly talking about DoomRL and if it would be possible and useful.
The idea is, that you select a pre-generate option in the main menu and after you created your character (difficulty, name, first trait) the game generates all the levels, creates a save and exits. You can resume that save like any other (meaning it's deleted upon loading).
Why would we want this?

Simple: Game of the Month(GotM)
I remembered this yesterday. Civilization Fanatics' Center has been doing Civ 2,3,4 GotM for quite a while now (total of 192 games so far, not counting special challenges).
The idea is simple: Every month, the guy who organizes these games creates a new game. He selects the civ, the world setting, difficulty, etc. The starting save is then posted on the forums and everyone who wants to can download the save and play the game. The players then discuss their strategies, how their games turned out, what victories they went for, etc.
It's always quite interesting to see how much the results can differ between players, even though everyone started out with the same game.

Something similar might be interesting for DoomRL (and other RLs). Right now, when we discuss strategies or talk about our games in the mortem board, it's always game specific. Since each level is generated randomly there is always luck involved.
With pre-generated games we could play the same game and then discuss the choices we made, the strategies we used, etc.
But it would require a new game mode for DoomRl, and the mortems should probably contain the selected game mode.

Anyway. Long story short: Would anyone else be interested in such a mode and/or GotM?
And I'm not limiting this to DoomRl. AliensRL is also an obvious candidate. I dunno about Berserk! tho.

BDR:
Interesting.  The only problem that I can see is that people might be able to figure out the best strategy for the games very quickly, and so it may have to be GotW instead of GotM (Civilization is a very complex game, which is why it can easily take a month to work out how best to handle everything, whereas DoomRL is intended to be much simpler).

RickVoid:
I love it!!

This sounds like a great idea. Everybody would be able to find the same weapons and items in the same locations, and by reading the mortems and stories of better players, new players would be able to learn and utilize existing strategies, as well as create new ones by looking at what worked/didn't work for others.

The problem is that this would require a massive rewrite of the game code. Yes, Kornel could throw this in as a new mode. But DoomRl is cobbled together enough as it is. On the other hand, Kornel has been looking for an excuse to go through and rewrite the code anyway. This would give him that excuse.

Ooh. Another thought occurs to me. We hate save-scummers, right? Well, when you save the game, copy to another location, and load it up, everytime you load that file it will load a different map. This allows players to find "easy stairs" to quickly get lower. If the levels are pre-generated, however, players are stuck facing the same enemies and levels over and over.
What happens when you are forced to fight the same enemies over and over after dying time and time again? You get better. You change tactics. You learn what works and what doesn't. This would change save-scumming into a powerful learning tool. Advanced players could put working characters together and post them here for younger players to mess with and learn from.

I know that trying to include this in version .09 would be impossible. I know that trying to include this in version 1.0 would push it way back. But please do it anyway.

Anything that will help me not suck at Rougelikes is Aces to me. :)

DaEezT:

--- Quote from: RickVoid on March 24, 2007, 12:13 ---But DoomRl is cobbled together enough as it is.

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I just want to make sure this doesn't get edited out or "lost" ;D

RickVoid:

--- Quote from: DaEezT on March 24, 2007, 12:15 ---
--- Quote from: RickVoid on March 24, 2007, 12:13 ---But DoomRl is cobbled together enough as it is.

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I just want to make sure this doesn't get edited out or "lost" ;D

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*My doomguy avatar glares at you*

Okay, I don't have a direct quote where Kornel said that, but he has said similar things in the past, yes?

Uh....

Sorry, Kornel? :X

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