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The impossible bronze badge
Minaro:
--- Quote from: Deathwind on January 30, 2017, 13:33 ---Even after all these years there's one badge series that I find to be complete bullshit, the 'Speedrunner' series.
My average win in this game is around 3-4 hours and even the bronze asks for it to be done in 30 minutes, any suggestions on how to pickup the pace without getting killed?
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It's possible, but it's far from fun. I personally enjoy the tactical need to take my time doing things. In the speedrunner bagdes you basically just charge straight for the stairs, get yourself enough talents to kill the mastermind - assuming you get that far. Skip any special levels except the CC, and you only go CC to get the chainsaw.
Deathwind:
Unfortunately console mode isn't an option for me anymore as I cannot full screen it and playing in a 2X3 inch window isn't viable... (I hate windows 8.1)
Sylph:
Pretty sure I can get the 15 minute one without too many tries (and hell tries don't take very long!).
10 minute one is awfully difficult.
My technique is taking hellrunner, dodgemaster, either berserker or TAN, and making a shotgun dash for the end. Kill Cybie using environment suit + fireproof red.
Note - graphics version. I'm slower on ascii.
Sereg:
I had all bronze on my old profile... might fire it up and take a look at the new one to see if I can't produce a mortem for you.
Edit: Hereyago. First try btw... this challenge allows ITYTD.
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DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Sonic, level 6 Arch-Vile Major Scout,
defeated the Mastermind at the City of Dis.
He survived 16690 turns and scored 26670 points.
He played for 14 minutes and 10 seconds.
He was too young to die!
He killed 128 out of 260 hellspawn. (49%)
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 7
Levels visited : 1
Levels completed : 0
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Mastermind's Brain
Major Icarus Cross
Compet-n Gold Cross
Untouchable Badge
Speedrunner Bronze Badge
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 88/50 Experience 13865/6
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +6 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +9
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Scout
Hellrunner (Level 2)
Brute (Level 3)
Berserker (Level 1)
Bru->Bru->Ber->HR->HR->Bru->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
[b] [ Weapon ] chainsaw (4d6) (T)
[c] [ Boots ] protective boots [2/2] (100%)
[d] [ Prepared ] combat shotgun (7d3) [3/5]
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]
[b] plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [28/40]
[c] red armor [4/4] (192%) (B)
[d] red armor [4/4] (76%)
[e] shotgun shell (x50)
[f] shotgun shell (x26)
[g] shotgun shell (x50)
[h] shotgun shell (x50)
[i] shotgun shell (x50)
[j] rocket (x2)
[k] rocket (x10)
[l] power cell (x50)
[m] power cell (x50)
[n] small med-pack
[o] small med-pack
[p] large med-pack
[q] large med-pack
[r] large med-pack
[s] large med-pack
[t] large med-pack
[u] homing phase device
[v] envirosuit pack
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Bullet - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Melee - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Shrapnel - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Acid - internal 60% torso 60% feet 85%
Fire - internal 60% torso 60% feet 60%
Plasma - internal 60% torso 80% feet 60%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
30 former humans
14 former sergeants
5 former captains
28 imps
13 demons
23 lost souls
4 cacodemons
2 hell knights
2 barons of hell
1 former commando
1 pain elemental
1 mancubus
2 bruiser brothers
1 Cyberdemon
1 Spider Mastermind
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
Then at last he found Dis!
On level 24 he finally defeated the Mastermind.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You need to taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You're going
berserk! You need to taste blood!
You need to taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind flinched! You need to
taste blood!
You need to taste blood!
Boom! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! Boom! You are hit! You need to
taste blood!
You hit the Spider Mastermind. The Spider Mastermind dies. Congratulations!
You defeated the Spider Mastermind! Press <Enter>...
You feel relatively safe now.
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
346 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
318 of those were killed.
2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 16 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
10 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
8 killed the bitch and survived.
1 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.
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As far as the higher tier challenges, they'll definitely get a bit tougher, but in general, melee stairdives are the way to go for speedruns. Don't spend too much time thinking(especially for Bronze!), just kill whatever's on your way to the stairs, grab any decent loot or powerups on the way, make sure you snag the chainsaw(don't even think about the arena, just hit CC basic), then dive as fast as possible. Take traits that help melee along the way... you might want to do more planning then I did for this, because I just kinda picked stuff that looked good based on memory(haven't played in... months, at least), and it still worked well, but again, this one's ITYTD. Anything higher then that you'll want to put a little more thought into planning (so you can put less into playing) then I just did here.
Good luck.
Tormuse:
--- Quote from: Deathwind on January 30, 2017, 14:03 ---Unfortunately console mode isn't an option for me anymore as I cannot full screen it and playing in a 2X3 inch window isn't viable... (I hate windows 8.1)
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I'm not that familiar with Windows 8, but when I'm making my recordings in Windows XP, (and it won't let me record in fullscreen) I lower the overall resolution to make the window take more space on the screen and I also increase the font size of the window. In XP, I can do that by right-click -> properties on the shortcut or on the window itself. (I suspect there's a way to do that in Win 8 as well; you might need to Google it) I'm able to get it to take up most of the screen, which takes a little bit of getting used to when I'm used to fullscreen, but it's very playable.
Regardless, there are other ways to increase the speed through the Config.lua file: turn down the "rundelay" to 1 or even zero. (By default, the game puts realtime delays in the "run" command) Also, turn off the bloodslide effect. (It speeds things up between levels) These things won't give you a lot of extra time, but every little bit helps. :)
That covers the technical side of things... next, strategy...
You're obviously quite proficient at the game, as evidenced by your recent mortem in which you nearly got a YAAM conqueror at HMP. (Awesome!) :) I'm with you in the camp of being a player who tends to play slowly and ploddingly; I take time to consider every move, especially when things get difficult, so I know it can be hard to make that switch to playing fast and not overthinking things.
May I ask what's your most common way of failing at this challenge? Do you get killed or do you just run out of time? If the former, I suggest you slow down and breathe a little; for ITYTD, 30 minutes is more time than you might think. If the latter, then I'd say you're spending far too much time on individual levels when you should be heading straight (or straighter) to the exit. This is not a challenge where you're going for 100% kills. You just need to find the right balance that works for you.
Beyond that, build suggestions: Scout is the obvious choice for the stair sense, and as others have suggested, melee saves quite a bit of time too; just walk into your enemies instead of mashing of F and R. (I've had quite a bit of success in speed runs with a Blademaster build) I recommend you do a stair-dive to Chained Court, grab the chainsaw, and make the berserk last as long as possible. Just go straight to the exit every time, only killing enemies in your way and don't deviate from your straight line to the exit except for particularly tempting prizes like more berserk packs and/or invulnerability spheres. Like I said in the above paragraph, how much you do deviate depends on your playstyle and where you fall on that balance between going fast and thinking (overthinking?) about things. You might need to experiment a little to figure out what works best for you.
Good luck! I'm curious to hear about your results! :)
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