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The Journey to 100%
Icy:
Cool, nice to hear. I just wasn't sure if my struggling is a result of bad skill or if that's normal and expected given how difficult the game is.
Day 36:
I rotated around again, but mostly went for Gatekeeper Platinum Badge some more. I can tell most of the story in a few pictures:
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DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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jhgf, level 4 Apostle Lt. General Marine,
was bitten by a demon on level 3 of the Deimos base.
He survived 3544 turns and scored 56268 points.
He played for 6 minutes and 56 seconds.
He opposed the Nightmare!
He killed 40 out of 385 hellspawn. (10%)
Who gave him the ticket to Hell, anyway?
He was an Angel of Pacifism!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 11
Levels visited : 1
Levels completed : 0
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Gatekeeper Platinum Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 0/60 Experience 1902/4
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +0 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +0
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Marine
Hellrunner (Level 2)
Tough as nails (Level 1)
Dodgemaster (Level 1)
HR->HR->DM->TaN->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] nothing
[b] [ Weapon ] nothing
[c] [ Boots ] nothing
[d] [ Prepared ] nothing
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] green armor [1/1] (100%)
[b] thermonuclear bomb
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
None
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
7 former humans
5 former sergeants
2 former captains
19 imps
4 demons
1 lost soul
1 cacodemon
1 former commando
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He left level 2 as soon as possible.
On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
He cowardly fled the Arena.
He left level 3 as soon as possible.
He left level 4 as soon as possible.
On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
Entering level 8 he was almost dead...
On level 11 he finally was bitten by a demon.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You open the door.
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
You open the door.
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
The baron of hell hits you.
You use a homing phase device. You feel yanked in a non-existing direction!
There are stairs leading downward here.
You enter Deimos, level 3. Where the hell is the way out of here!?! You sense
a passage to a place beyond...
You start running!
You stop running.
There is a green armor [1/1] (100%) lying here.
You picked up a green armor [1/1] (100%).
The demon hits you. You die!... Press <Enter>...
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
998 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
728 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
40 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 123 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
105 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
10 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
91 killed the bitch and survived.
4 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.
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I hope this kind of luck isn't always necessary! :P
After that, I didn't get too far in other challenges. I think I'm going to put focus on finishing up the last 5 remaining gold badges to complete that page. In total, I only have 64 remaining medals and badges left to collect, and I'm confident I can get many of them still. I intend to keep going as long as I can continue to achieve more.
Icy:
Day 37:
Today's target was Arena Gold Badge, one of the five missing gold badges, and it was very challenging and often unforgiving! I tried many runs going into Hell's Arena and did fine with circling the pillars, but the moment I had 2 or more enemies targeting me, it was over. Demons also outsped me, so my strategy was to take pot-shots from a distance, run and hide, then let them stop chasing and repeat. Unfortunately, this was difficult when Demons would group up with each other or other enemies.
I always went with Marksmanship+Light Travel and almost always went with Intuition x2, but changed strategies a few time for the third trait I'd gain part way into the Arena. I started with Son of a Gun for the extra damage and reload speed, but it didn't help too much since the extra damage likely didn't save me an extra shot too often, and I would already reload quickly with the Ammo Chain. I also tried Tough as Nails since I would always enter with very little healing, but again, it didn't really solve my problems.
One thing I started to adapt to was using more aimed shots with the pistols. Initially, I figured taking twice as long to fire offsets the missed shots I would otherwise likely hit with the accuracy bonus, but there are some subtle details that make aimed shots significantly better. For starters, the consistency goes way up, which allows for stronger planning of how to move around and firing. The other thing is if there were nearby enemies that were nearly dead, I would occasionally miss each shot and take unnecessary damage. I've used aimed shots before, but now I've started using them constantly, and it helps a lot!
Another more indirect detail with using aimed shots is avoiding the case where I miss my target and hit something else, leading to more enemies after me. I had a really great run in Hell's Arena where I missed a Cacodemon, hit another Cacodemon instead, and unfortunately got swarmed. To be fair, this is more my mistake and is an important part of the game I should pay more attention to.
With that in mind, I also tried using Eagle Eye for my third trait, especially when taking my shots at Demons, but they would still often get to me before dying and a guaranteed 6+ damage per hit by them stacks up way too quickly. So after some more attempts, I ultimately decided that Hellrunner would be the best trait to go with. In combination of Scout+Light Travel+Hellrunner, I was fast enough to start circling Demons too, which is significantly easier to deal with.
Once I had my gameplan on lock, I still lost a couple runs due to bad spawn luck and enemy movement luck, where I would be forced to hide behind a pillar in dire hopes that one of them would run away somewhere else.
Eventually though, I finally got my completion:
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DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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fdsd, level 3 Apostle Lt. General Scout,
committed a stupid suicide on level 3 of the Phobos base.
He survived 18257 turns and scored 13031 points.
He played for 23 minutes and 36 seconds.
He was a man of Ultra-Violence!
He killed 49 out of 86 hellspawn. (56%)
He was an Angel of Marksmanship!
He was also an Angel of Light Travel!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 11
Levels visited : 1
Levels completed : 1
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Hell Champion Medal
Arena Gold Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 0/50 Experience 3074/3
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +0 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +0
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Scout
Hellrunner (Level 1)
Intuition (Level 2)
Int->Int->HR->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] green armor [1/1] (14%)
[b] [ Weapon ] pistol (2d4) [1/6] (T1)
[c] [ Boots ] nothing
[d] [ Prepared ] nothing
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] 10mm ammo (x58)
[b] 10mm ammo (x100)
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Bullet - internal 0% torso 3% feet 0%
Shrapnel - internal 0% torso 3% feet 0%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
10 former humans
7 former sergeants
1 former captain
11 imps
8 demons
3 lost souls
7 cacodemons
2 barons of hell
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
He left the Arena as a champion!
On level 3 he finally committed a stupid suicide.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
Fire ( aimed ) -- Choose target...
You see : a baron of hell (mortally wounded) | blood | [ m ]ore
The missile hits the baron of hell.
Fire ( aimed ) -- Choose target...
You see : a baron of hell (almost dead) | cacodemon corpse | [ m ]ore
The missile hits the baron of hell. The baron of hell dies. The crowds cheer!
"Blood! Blood!" The voice booms, "Congratulations mortal! A pity you came to
destroy us, for you would make a formidable Hell warrior!" "I grant you the
title of Hell's Arena Champion!" "And a promise is a promise... search the
arena again..."
There are stairs leading downward here.
The voice laughs, "Flee mortal, flee! There's no hiding in hell!"
You enter Phobos, level 3. You feel excited!
The barrel explodes! You die!... Press <Enter>...
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
1017 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
746 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
40 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 124 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
105 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
10 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
91 killed the bitch and survived.
4 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.
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This was very difficult and rewarding! I'm happy to finally get it! I learned a lot through playing and have shifted some minor details in my mindset and playstyle because of it. I'm a little disheartened that in Papillo's difficulty rating thread that he rates this as a 9/30 skill challenge, but I suppose I could repeat this challenge now that I know what I'm doing. Still, I find it hard to believe that there's a solution to runs where you start in the centre of Hell's Arena and surrounded by Demons and Cacodemons. I also don't yet see how players do these kinds of things without Intuition x2.
I got over a plateau I had and feel ready for more!
Sereg:
A bit late to help you out with this one, but I had this discussion awhile back when I was attempting Arena Gold. Hopefully it sheds some light on the solution for you - kudos for completing it with your method, but I suspect you'd have had an easier time this way.
LuckyDee:
--- Quote from: Icy on October 14, 2017, 13:27 ---I started with Son of a Gun for the extra damage and reload speed, but it didn't help too much since the extra damage likely didn't save me an extra shot too often, and I would already reload quickly with the Ammo Chain.
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For the record, SOG increases fire speed, not reload speed.
--- Quote from: Icy on October 14, 2017, 13:27 ---One thing I started to adapt to was using more aimed shots with the pistols. Initially, I figured taking twice as long to fire offsets the missed shots I would otherwise likely hit with the accuracy bonus, but there are some subtle details that make aimed shots significantly better. For starters, the consistency goes way up, which allows for stronger planning of how to move around and firing. The other thing is if there were nearby enemies that were nearly dead, I would occasionally miss each shot and take unnecessary damage. I've used aimed shots before, but now I've started using them constantly, and it helps a lot!
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And I'll trade that bit of info for this one: I had totally forgotten this is an option. And on my current run (MSs Ao666 around dlev 30 - and with a GCB!) this might well come in handy. Although with a mandatory EE3, I don't know how much difference it'll make. Anybody care to do the math on this one?
ZicherCZ:
--- Quote from: LuckyDee on October 15, 2017, 00:45 ---And on my current run (MSs Ao666 around dlev 30 - and with a GCB!) this might well come in handy. Although with a mandatory EE3, I don't know how much difference it'll make. Anybody care to do the math on this one?
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At EE3 there would be a noticable difference only if you 1) use running tactics and 2) full-auto mode and 3) your target is at the far end of your LOS. Even then you would still have a 84% hit chance. If a single condition mentioned above is not true, the hit chance goes up to 95%. If two or three of the conditions are not true (or if you fire in single shots, without regard to anything else), there would be no difference at all, and your hit chance is at >98%, the maximum possible.
Well, those were the maths. And since neither the Wiki nor the source code mention any existence of GCB alt-fire, all of the maths may be moot.
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