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[0.8.7|M|Ma|9|YASD] I really hate Heavies and A-Ravagers...

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Moonshine Fox:
Flynn Taggart, level 9 Marine, killed on
Europa Central Dig by a cryoreaver.

He survived for 5439 turns.
The run time was 50m 15s.
He scored 1520 points.
He took MEDIUM risks.

CALLISTO L4 -> Military Barracks
Military Barracks - cleared
EUROPA L2 -> Conamara Chaos Biolabs L1
Conamara Chaos Biolabs L2 -> Containment Area
Containment Area - cleared

He killed 220 out of 230 enemies.

  2 combat drones
  3 armored ravagers
  5 ravagers
  9 cryoreavers
  26 fiends
  5 rocket turrets
  1 archreaver
  26 former guards
  10 former grunts
  12 former sergeants
  7 hellish soldiers
  10 security drones
  3 toxic reavers
  10 turrets
  3 exalted soldiers
  1 former heavy
  2 corrupted guards
  23 fire fiends
  8 corrupted soldiers
  5 corrupted sergeants
  1 military drone
  3 corrupted commandos
  4 hellish grunts
  12 corrupted heavys
  3 hellish sergeants
  18 former soldiers
  7 security bots
  1 former commando

Traits
  Skilled L2
  Reloader L2
  Bloodhound
  Whizkid L2
  Reload Dance

Equipment
  Slot #1 : chaingun BA
  Slot #2 : ADV 12ga shotgun P2
  Slot #3 : rocket launcher P
  Body    : ADV blue armor P
  Utility :  - NONE -

Inventory
  rocket (x9)
  12ga shell (x50)
  12ga shell (x50)
  12ga shell (x17)
  7.62 ammo (x100)
  7.62 ammo (x100)
  7.62 ammo (x68)
  gas grenade (x1)
  multitool (x2)
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So, about 95% of my runs for the last month has ended due to Heavies or Armored Ravagers. Not necessarily by killing blow, but the definitive cause of death. I just don't know how to deal with them if I don't have a hilariously overpowered weapon capable of oneshotting them. Sure, Heavies can *usually* be oneshotted before the fire, not always, but most of the time. These are only a problem if you step into their LOS if you haven't seen them first.

Armored Ravagers though. How the hell do you deal with them? No matter what I always get hit by them. It doesn't matter what I do, they always get at least one shot off at me, and with how cramped most levels are, this means taking damage. And considering almost half of all enemies on late Europa are ARs, they bleed my healthbar to the point where I don't have staying power and just get murdered by stray shots.

I'm genuinely looking for advice on how to *deal* with ARs. Not run away and ignore them, because I'm currently trying for 100% kills. How do you deal with them?

Tormuse...halp!

khiijol:
imo juggler is crucial for dealing with armoured ravagers, which is one of the reasons im terrible at marine. have a rocket launcher and another heavy weapon on deck (chaingun, plasma, whatever), wack it with the rocket, then switch to your other gun to finish it off

Tormuse:

--- Quote from: Moonshine Fox on January 30, 2020, 12:26 ---Tormuse...halp!

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You call and I answer.  :D

Similar to DoomRL, the strategy here is to not let them get a shot off in the first place.  Fortunately, Armoured Ravagers are slow, so you can always outrun them.  If you spot one, move away from it and shoot it from outside of its visual range.  This can be done with a rifle if you very carefully watch what square they're standing on and target it, but my weapon of choice for this strategy is the rocket launcher, in which case, I'll usually fire at the wall next to where I know they're standing.  It takes three rockets, or two rockets plus one rifle volley to deal with them this way, and you can get that down to two rockets by power-modding the rocket launcher.

This makes Juggler really useful for being able to switch to the rocket launcher on the fly, or if you're using Marine, I'm discovering that the new trait, Bloodhound, is really useful for knowing exactly where they're standing.

Moonshine Fox:

--- Quote from: Tormuse on January 30, 2020, 15:26 ---You call and I answer.  :D
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Thank you!

--- Quote from: Tormuse on January 30, 2020, 15:26 ---Similar to DoomRL, the strategy here is to not let them get a shot off in the first place.  Fortunately, Armoured Ravagers are slow, so you can always outrun them.  If you spot one, move away from it and shoot it from outside of its visual range.  This can be done with a rifle if you very carefully watch what square they're standing on and target it, but my weapon of choice for this strategy is the rocket launcher, in which case, I'll usually fire at the wall next to where I know they're standing.  It takes three rockets, or two rockets plus one rifle volley to deal with them this way, and you can get that down to two rockets by power-modding the rocket launcher.

This makes Juggler really useful for being able to switch to the rocket launcher on the fly, or if you're using Marine, I'm discovering that the new trait, Bloodhound, is really useful for knowing exactly where they're standing.

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I assumed this was the solution. I've been unwilling to adopt this strategy because of my inherent dislike of radar shooting and such. It's a real shame we can't outrange them visually, but I guess it would be far too easy then. It also feels like a bit of an ammo waste, particularly if you're using a weapon that is already low on ammo that far down (Shotgun/9mm).

I think the main reason I've been having issues is because I've mostly played Scout and going for a SoG build, and that just flat out doesn't work in late Europa/Io. You do not kill fast enough to avoid return fire, and everything down there shreds you in seconds.

*sigh* back to automatics it is then, I guess. It just feels so bland that the only really viable strategy is Rocket/Chain. At least it feels like it.

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