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Kornel Kisielewicz

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« on: December 11, 2005, 14:09 »

Okay, we all know that levers suck :-P (except the summon lever, which I consider a bug that will be fixed in the next release). So I need ideas for POSITIVE lever effects. Try not to make them trivial (like +1MAXHP), but something that would fit in-game.

Help me save thy levers! :-P
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2005, 17:18 »

One of the marine (in fact, one of your old character who died before :P) come back to life for X turn or got X health and attack your foes.

Spawn some more barrels around the level.

Well, I don't realy have any ideas :P
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2005, 17:38 »

Quoting: jake250
One of the marine (in fact, one of your old character who died before :P) come back to life for X turn or got X health and attack your foes.

Duh, I like the idea, but it will be hard to implement code-wise :/. But I'll have it in mind.

Quoting: jake250
Spawn some more barrels around the level.

I said POSITIVE ^_^
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 19:42 »

A possible way to fix monster-spawning levers would be only make them work once (and maybe make them spawn 2 enemies, so they're a bit more scary :-) ).

Following this idea, positive levers could spawn (only once) an item (or two) near you. You could have several types of these levers: one that spawns ammo, one that spawns medkits... maybe have one (not too common) that spawns a special weapon? (I mean advanced/fastload/whatever)
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2005, 21:21 »

Quoting: pcentella
A possible way to fix monster-spawning levers would be only make them work once (and maybe make them spawn 2 enemies, so they're a bit more scary :-) ).

Nah, I found a better solution - each next summoning summons a monster of a higher level. Once you'll start summoning 4-5 arachnotrons at a time I think there will be no one left that would be able to kill that without health/ammo loss ^_^.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2005, 21:22 »

Quoting: pcentella
Following this idea, positive levers could spawn (only once) an item (or two) near you.

This is a fix, but the downside is that it's completely metagame, and I don't know how it would apply to reality :-/
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2005, 23:40 »

Lever shouldn't be "&" in the middle of the floors. They should be a special wall type, or a "&" embended in the walls, and acting as a wall unless the player stands beside it and activate it (like a door).

Its Doom we are talking about after all...

But... If you ever get around implementing indestructible walls, levers could be made to open some sort of "vaults" or caches of ammo... or liberate the ennemies in them.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2005, 23:47 »

Oh and I just though about something ;) No one will like that suggestion but anyway... I say scrap the stairs and replace them by wall switches. Just like in Doom.

I would be more true to the original, and answer the stairs thread a little farther down ;)
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 00:09 »

Quoting: Gutter
Lever shouldn't be "&" in the middle of the floors. They should be a special wall type, or a "&" embended in the walls, and acting as a wall unless the player stands beside it and activate it (like a door).
Its Doom we are talking about after all...

Yup, but the problem is that contrary to Doom, DoomRL's walls are twosided, so the game has no way to decide from which side the lever can be pulled ^_^.

Quoting: Gutter
But... If you ever get around implementing indestructible walls, levers could be made to open some sort of "vaults" or caches of ammo... or liberate the ennemies in them.

This one's good... I'll think about it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2005, 00:11 »

Quoting: Gutter
Oh and I just though about something ;) No one will like that suggestion but anyway... I say scrap the stairs and replace them by wall switches. Just like in Doom.

This poses the same problem as the lever - sidedness. And I for one think that buttons on both sides of the wall would look stupid. Stairs are a heritage of Rogue that I like ^_^. Although in the hell levels (15+) they could be substituted with a red teleporter...
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2005, 07:49 »

I've got a few:

Random item spawning
Insta-beserk
Insta-invincible
Weapon gains +8 damage (short time)
Weapon gains +20% tohit (short time)
Weapon gains +3 damage (forever)
Weapon gains +10% tohit (forever)
Insta-levelup
More luck (ie. more special weapons, more ammo dropped, less arachnotrons)
Invisibility
All enemies die

etc.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2005, 13:03 »

Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz

Quoting: jake250
Spawn some more barrels around the level.

I said POSITIVE ^_^


It isn't?
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2005, 14:23 »

How about having some of the special levels (arenas etc.) requiring you to pull a lever for it to be revealed?
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2005, 16:56 »

Quoting: EvilP
How about having some of the special levels (arenas etc.) requiring you to pull a lever for it to be revealed?

This isn't a bad idea. I also thought about closed "vaults" with indestructible walls that open when one pulls a lever.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2005, 00:57 »

Nice, and you don't get the reward without taking risk :)
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