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Discussion / Re: Trait usefulness

« on: December 12, 2006, 16:10 »

Well, I wasn't actually arguing against Ironman, but that a melee char should take Hellrunner instead of TaN, because of an already good source of protection. Also, sergeants only do that much damage from point blank range. Though Hellrunner doesn't help against autohitting sergeants other than you reaching them faster thanks to faster running. But there aren't that many of 'em, or shouldn't, but Murphy knows that there are...

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Discussion / Re: Trait usefulness

« on: December 12, 2006, 13:16 »

You do know that there is a minimum damage of 1? Cause in melee games after you'll get the spoily weapon of mass destruction, additional armor after wearable armor is most of the time useless, but Hellrunner lets you evade those points of damage completely AND will get you to enemies faster, where you will just massacre 'em.

Hellrunner is also highly useful for evading those high damage ranged attacks completely (I had only 1 level of it, though evading while moving is already pretty high, but Cybie managed to hit me only twice in my AoM win). And for Shottyman, you will be evading much more attacks while moving, so it's much better to move than just sit still and reload if there are nasty monsters ready to fry your ass.

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Pre-0.9.9 / [M|AoMrk|win|100%] Angel of Marksmanship win

« on: December 12, 2006, 07:30 »

YEY! I finally managed to do this, though the newest beta's weapon mods did help, as they allowed me to get defensive some defensive traits in place of speed and reload traits. Perhaps I could have avoided all of Cybies missiles with some additional levels in Hellrunner.

--------------------------------------------------------------
 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.5 Beta 2) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Fingerzam, level 8 Cacodemon Lieutenant, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 91122 turns and scored 42741 points.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 278 out of 278 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!
 He was an Angel of Marksmanship!

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He stormed the Chained Court.
 He fought on Hell's Arena.
 He became a champion of Hell's Arena!

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 51/70   Experience 27036/8
  ToHit +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman        (Level 2)
    Finesse        (Level 1)
    Hellrunner     (Level 1)
    Son of a gun   (Level 3)
    Dualgunner     (Level 1)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   red armor [4/4] (51%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   advanced pistol (2d6) [8/13] (D2R3S2M3)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [8/8] (92%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   pistol (2d4) [1/6]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] blue armor [2/2] (79%)
    [b] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [c] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [d] red armor [4/4] (50%)
    [e] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [f] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [g] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x33)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] phase device

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    32 former humans
    21 former sergeants
    13 former captains
    15 imps
    31 demons
    31 lost souls
    33 cacodemons
    7 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    8 hell knights
    29 arachnotrons
    4 former commandos
    8 pain elementals
    4 arch-viles

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 He started his journey on the suface of Phobos.
 On level 2 he battled through the complex.
 Afterwards he fought on Hell's Arena.
 On level 3 he battled through the complex.
 On level 4 he battled through the complex.
 On level 5 he battled through the complex.
 He then stormed the Chained Court.
 On level 6 he battled through the complex.
 On level 7 he found a hellish city.
 On level 8 he found hellish caves.
 On level 9 he found hellish caves.
 On level 10 he battled through the complex.
 On level 11 he battled through the complex.
 On level 12 he battled through the complex.
 On level 13 he found hellish caves.
 On level 14 he found a hellish city.
 On level 15 he found a hellish city.
 On level 16 he found a hellish city.
 On level 17 he found hellish caves.
 On level 18 he battled through the complex.
 On level 19 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 20 he found hellish caves.
 On level 21 he found hellish caves.
 On level 22 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 23 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 24 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 Then at last he found the Phobos Arena.
 There he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 The Cyberdemon loses blood.
 You are hit!
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo. You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.
 The Cyberdemon fires! You hear an explosion!
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon is
 bleeding! The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher. The
 Cyberdemon loses blood.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 dies. Congratulations! You defeated the Cyberdemon! Press <Enter>

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 61 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 59 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and commited a stupid suicide.

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I'll explain the weapon mods in my pistol here:
D2 - 2 damage mods, each increasing the damage die by one.
R3 - 3 reload mods, resulting in 0.6^3 reloading time
S2 - 2 speed mods, each giving 10% boost, so 2 equals rapid
M3 - 3 magazine mods, I don't know how these are calculated, but I got my clip increased by 2 for the first two, and the last one gave 3.

Trait order: SoaG(3) --> Dualgunner(1) --> Finesse(1) --> Ironman(1) --> Hellrunner(1) --> Ironman(2)

My fight against Cybie went a lot better than my last try. Last time Cybie spawned allmost right next to me, this time he was further away and I could get some room between me and the walls, so that dodged missiles wouldn't do any damage. I shot him 3 times after he reloaded and just to be safe startet dodging after that, and then started shooting again. Got some cover for reloading, cause my secondary pistol takes way too long to reload (ofcourse I could have just reloaded my main gun and forget about the second one).

Spent 1 phase device when Cybie destroyed stuff from around me to get more cover and 1 med-pack when I was on half health just to be sure, since I have bad memories about Cybie doing something like 35 damage with a single missile.

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Requests For Features / Re: New Traits

« on: December 11, 2006, 15:00 »

I'd like to note that there's already Reloader and Shottyman for shotguns, so I don't see increasing shotguns' damage as a priority, but I do agree that Finesse and SoaB do need advanced traits to make 'em better, like something allowing you to shoot additional bullets with chaingun and plasma rifle for SoaB (this was suggested by someone on #DoomRL some time ago).

Finesse would also need some boosting to itself.

95

Discussion / Re: Doom2RL?

« on: December 11, 2006, 14:09 »

Will I be able to install both to the same folder? Just that if I want to play both, but want to use the same player and score files?

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Requests For Features / Re: Possible Suggestions for Making Angel of Marksmanship a Bit More Possible

« on: December 10, 2006, 09:20 »

Let the player choose his/her starting weapon

I'm not sure what you mean here... AoM already starts with an advanced pistol, why would you want to change that for something else?

Because right now rapid pistol would be much better. If you read my post at the AoM thread, you'll see that with correct traits it will only take 56 (or even less) energy to shoot with a rapid pistol in main hand. Shooting a normal weapon with no speed traits takes 1000 energy, so you could shoot almost 20*2 bullets in the time that you normally only shoot once. Though this does not include reloading, which takes a total 2400 energy (or 24 turns), so it isn't actually that fast. But still, I'd much rather have a rapid pistol as my main weapon with the current speed system than an advanced one. I could always use the advanced one as my second pistol.

97

Requests For Features / Re: Tutorial mode

« on: December 10, 2006, 06:10 »

Well, yes, but learning ADoM's keys was a hell at the beginning.

98

Requests For Features / Re: Tutorial mode

« on: December 10, 2006, 05:46 »

I like this idea, it could teach new players the basics easily.

99

Bug Reports / Re: Save on crash not working on my computer

« on: December 10, 2006, 05:38 »

Well, I actually had crash like this some time ago, but it said "critical error 255" or something. This happened while I had DoomRL runnning on background while doing something else, and the game did not save. If you have IRC logs available, you can search for "critical error" there.

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Pre-0.9.9 / Re: Yet Another AoM post

« on: December 10, 2006, 05:33 »

This made me think that i was right when thought, that Intuition isn't good perk for AoM. On UV you surelly will be able to reach level 10, which means Fingerzam perks + 3 more, and this will be enough to kill Cybie, imho. The only problem is to reach Cybie's level without Intuition, on UV it it quite hard. Damn, when i will have some time to play, i need to test it!

Well, this is the main reason that I play NTR and not UV. Without Intuition it's too common to find myself in a desperate situation where a caco blows up a wall and I find myself fighting 2 barons, 2 cacos and some demons in an open space. If you have phase devices, you can survive these, but without a phase devise it's gonna eat your precious meds like they were candies. And without some meds (I have had 7-8 in my last few fights against cybie on NTR, but those single shotting hits kill me), Cybie will prove difficult.

Of course, if you can manage to make it to Cybie with a lvl 10 AoM and some meds, it shouldn't be that difficult anymore.

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Requests For Features / Possible Suggestions for Making Angel of Marksmanship a Bit More Possible

« on: December 10, 2006, 05:24 »

I'll copy/paste my message about AoM from betaforums here:

I'll collect here some possible solutions to AoM being so damn hard. Well, actually the only big problem in AoM is dealing with Cybie, I can get most of my characters there easily on NTR.

• Let the player choose his/her starting weapon
• Place special pistols to Hell's Armoury, so that the player can choose pistol(s) of his choise
• Let the player switch his/her main weapon on the go
• Make Dualgunner a 2 level trait and/or add +dmg and/or reloading bonus to it
• Add those weapon enchancement things you were talking about at #DoomRL

If both 1 and 2 would be implemented, the player would first get a pistol of his/her choice at the beginning, and could then get another pistol of his/her choice at Hell's Armoury.

There was also some talk about an additional advanced trait adding more dmg to pistols, but as I see it, an AoM already takes a shitload of traits to work properly (that is, shoot at least 3 times per 1000 energy) and reloader is also a must have against Cybie.

The biggest problem in this is that you will be fighting Cybie with default hitpoints and no TaN or you will be taking a lot of time reloading those pistols against Cybie.

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Pre-0.9.9 / Re: Yet Another AoM post

« on: December 10, 2006, 04:43 »

I was again 100% sure I could kill that bastard, but didn't. This time he single shotted me from 54% with a [4/4] red armor. If I calculated correctly, he did 35 points of damage with a single rocket. Got him to seriously wounded before that, and still had some meds and a phase devise.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.5 Beta 1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
--------------------------------------------------------------

 Fingerzam, level 7 Cacodemon Lieutenant, killed by a Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 104863 turns and scored 27782 points.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 292 out of 334 hellspawn. (87%)
 He was an Angel of Marksmanship!

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He stormed the Chained Court.
 He ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 He found the Hell's Armory.
 He fought on Hell's Arena.
 He became a champion of Hell's Arena!

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -4/50   Experience 21459/7
  ToHit +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse        (Level 2)
    Son of a gun   (Level 3)
    Reloader       (Level 1)
    Dualgunner     (Level 1)

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   red armor [1/4] (6%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   advanced pistol (2d5) [6/6]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [8/8] (86%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   pistol (2d4) [0/6]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [b] red armor [1/4] (2%)
    [c] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [d] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [e] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [f] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x38)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [j] phase device
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    44 former humans
    38 former sergeants
    17 former captains
    27 imps
    33 demons
    25 lost souls
    35 cacodemons
    6 barons of hell
    9 hell knights
    5 arachnotrons
    4 former commandos*
    10 pain elementals
    2 arch-viles

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

 He started his journey on the suface of Phobos.
 On level 2 he battled through the complex.
 On level 3 he battled through the complex.
 Afterwards he fought on Hell's Arena.
 On level 4 he battled through the complex.
 He then stormed the Chained Court.
 On level 5 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 6 he found a hellish city.
 On level 7 he found hellish caves.
 He then found Hell's Armory.
 On level 8 he found hellish caves.
 On level 9 he found hellish caves.
 On level 10 he battled through the complex.
 On level 11 he battled through the complex.
 On level 12 he found a hellish city.
 He then ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
 On level 13 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 14 he found a hellish city.
 On level 15 he battled through the complex.
 On level 16 he found hellish caves.
 On level 17 he found a hellish city.
 On level 18 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 19 he found hellish caves.
 On level 20 he found a hellish city.
 On level 21 he found hellish caves.
 On level 22 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 23 he battled through a maze of rooms.
 On level 24 he found a hellish city.
 Then at last he found the Phobos Arena.
 There he finally was killed by a Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Your pistol is already loaded. You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo. The
 Cyberdemon stops bleeding.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon is bleeding!
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon loses blood.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo. The Cyberdemon fires! You are hit!
 Your red armor is damaged! You die!...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 59 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 57 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and commited a stupid suicide.

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*God damn these have lots of hitpoints now. I had to kill one that was equipped with a large med and a red armor.

As for trait order, I went SoaG(3) --> Dualgunner(1) --> Finesse(1) --> Reloader(1) --> Finesse(2)

Some extra Reloader wouldn't have hurt, but I wanted to make sure that I would have my 7 meds and 2 phase devices with me still when I met Cybie and so didn't clear all of the last 4 floors. Completely skipped one Arach cave.

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Requests For Features / Re: Optional confirmation when trying to fire an empty weapon

« on: December 08, 2006, 12:41 »

Seconded. I get myself into some problems every now and then when im moving instead of aiming because of an empty weapon.

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Pre-0.9.9 / Re: YASD - My best result ever

« on: December 08, 2006, 11:31 »

On NTR it shouldn't be too hard with double shotgun and shottyman. Of course running out of shells makes I a bit problematic, but with enough shells you should be able to empty it without a big problem.

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Discussion / Re: Shottyman

« on: December 08, 2006, 11:02 »

Yes, so there isn't that much use for Reloader(3) for shotguns.