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DoomRL => Requests For Features => Topic started by: Lexman on March 07, 2006, 10:35

Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Lexman on March 07, 2006, 10:35
Maybe in the next DoomRL version there could be a 2 player mode where you can play with a friend and go through the levels together.

Another thing that could be put in the next version is cheats (i know someone else has problay said this but im saying it again) cause I like to just explore the levels without trying to stay alive.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on March 07, 2006, 11:14
Quoting: Lexman
Maybe in the next DoomRL version there could be a 2 player mode where you can play with a friend and go through the levels together.

How do you imagine that to work with turns?

Quoting: Lexman
Another thing that could be put in the next version is cheats (i know someone else has problay said this but im saying it again) cause I like to just explore the levels without trying to stay alive.

They were already in 0.9.5, and maybe they'll be back. But ask anyone who found them in 0.9.5 and they'll tell you that you really DON'T want to use them ^_^
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Santiago Zapata on March 07, 2006, 20:19
Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz
How do you imagine that to work with turns?

Actually, I dont think it would be that out of mind... specially for a short-turns game like DoomRL...

Perhaps that would be getting too much into HaloRL :p
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Anticheese on March 07, 2006, 21:10
Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz
How do you imagine that to work with turns?


Store the move of the guy who moved first in memory untill the other guy makes his move..

Then when both moves are completed do the update cycle for the monsters.


Quoting: Kornel Kisielewicz
They were already in 0.9.5, and maybe they'll be back. But ask anyone who found them in 0.9.5 and they'll tell you that you really DON'T want to use them ^_^


Add cheat codes, But I have a suggestion:

Perhaps have cheat codes generated when you beat the game or do something noteworthy, Have a list of possible cheat codes (between aadvarak and zapata) and have the game link the codes with the command when you unlock it.

Of course, This suggestion wont be added, Its just something I came up with in 10 seconds.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Lexman on March 08, 2006, 05:43
Quoting: Anticheese
Store the move of the guy who moved first in memory untill the other guy makes his move..

Then when both moves are completed do the update cycle for the monsters.


your idea works.

my idea was 1st player goes, then monsters, then 2nd player goes, then monsters etc.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: JimmyJ on March 10, 2006, 23:24
Quoting: Lexman
1st player goes, then monsters, then 2nd player goes, then monsters etc.

Quoting: Lexman
Quoting: Anticheese
Store the move of the guy who moved first in memory untill the other guy makes his move..

Then when both moves are completed do the update cycle for the monsters.

that seems more like what i would prefer, not
Quoting: Lexman
1st player goes, then monsters, then 2nd player goes, then monsters etc.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: sn0rb on March 12, 2006, 23:11
Maybe if the other player(s) were NPC allies? This way, they'd be able to take their turn at the same time as the hellspawn.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: JimmyJ on March 14, 2006, 00:37
Quoting: sn0rb
Maybe if the other player(s) were NPC allies? This way, they'd be able to take their turn at the same time as the hellspawn.

I think ally AI would probrobly be pretty hard to make...i was under the impression that we were talking hotseat kind of 2 player..
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Santiago Zapata on March 14, 2006, 15:11
As U
Quoting: jimmyj
.i was under the impression that we were talking hotseat kind of 2 player..

As I was

However, Doom is not the kind of game for 2 players... the marine is alone against the hell with nobody to support him and perhaps we must keep it like this :p
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Anticheese on March 14, 2006, 23:35
Well, If you look in your Doom launcher you will find a multiplayer co-op function...
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: JimmyJ on March 15, 2006, 03:04
Quoting: Anticheese
Well, If you look in your Doom launcher you will find a multiplayer co-op function...

Yes, and i used doom legacy to play 2p co-op and it was actually really fun :P
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: jake250 on March 15, 2006, 04:29
Quoting: jimmyj
Yes, and i used doom legacy to play 2p co-op and it was actually really fun :

True thats so much fun!.. at least when people WANT to play and don't go like dumb moron. Anyway the game was a lot better with someone than alone, especially on nightmare (nightmare, 4 player, item respawn, fast monster and predicting monster, thats insane, really really insane! A real war to say the least)
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: sn0rb on March 15, 2006, 05:16
Quoting: jake250
True thats so much fun!.. at least when people WANT to play and don't go like dumb moron.


Sounds like something a friend of mine did when we played Doom II co-op (Yayay for Doom 3 SE on Xbox!). We kept getting into squabbles over telefragging/(not so) friendly fire/which one of us "volunteers" to draw Baphomet's wrath while the other guy pumps rockets between his eyes.

We finally settled our differences in Baphomet's armory with chainsaws at twenty paces. >=D
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: JimmyJ on March 15, 2006, 05:37
Quoting: sn0rb
Sounds like something a friend of mine did when we played Doom II co-op (Yayay for Doom 3 SE on Xbox!). We kept getting into squabbles over telefragging/(not so) friendly fire/which one of us "volunteers" to draw Baphomet's wrath while the other guy pumps rockets between his eyes.

We finally settled our differences in Baphomet's armory with chainsaws at twenty paces. >=D


I do not have doom 3 SE on Xbox, but i can play coop 4 player with doom doom 2 and doom 3 anyway :P Say, what is in SE that is extra?

Quoting: jake250
True thats so much fun!.. at least when people WANT to play and don't go like dumb moron. Anyway the game was a lot better with someone than alone, especially on nightmare (nightmare, 4 player, item respawn, fast monster and predicting monster, thats insane, really really insane! A real war to say the least)


yes, i always make it so frikkin hard....but my brother just shoots rockets around and kills me :P I need to turn friendly fire off :)
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Anticheese on March 15, 2006, 09:18
Quoting: jimmyj
I do not have doom 3 SE on Xbox, but i can play coop 4 player with doom doom 2 and doom 3 anyway :P Say, what is in SE that is extra?


Developer interviews, Doom I and II (Includes co-op btw), 5 or so G4 segments showcasing the history of Doom, Concept art and stuff that didint make it into the game..And there may be something more but I cannot remember.

If you are really interested in the history of Doom, Go to your local library and get "The making of Doom 3" or "The Masters of Doom" (Not sure what the exact name of the latter is), I have read the first one and my friend reccomends the second one..

If you are REALLY interested in Doom, Go to a pilgramage to Texas..I think  ID software is based in Dallas..Or Houston..Or I dont know A. Where ID is precisely and B. I dont know much about the US.

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Quoting: jimmyj
yes, i always make it so frikkin hard....but my brother just shoots rockets around and kills me


General law of ID games, Rocket launchers kick ass. Especially when used by 7 year olds.

Quoting: jimmyj
I need to turn friendly fire off :)


A: See the above.

B: Unclick the frigging "Friendly Fire" button!
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: agentCDE on April 07, 2006, 00:33
Multiplay would be nice, but something that would be very, very needed, if it was over a network of some kind: a "talk" command. Should take very little time, and just allow you to send a message to the other marines. Seeing what others do and getting a special message upon something signifigant happening to another player would also be nice. IE:

Bob radioed: "Let's get on with the killing!"
Corpse's screams eminate from your radio as he is killed by a Hell Knight...
Zigmud suddenly grabs a chainsaw and screams "BLOOD!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!"

Ad infinitum.

Being able to share maps would be nice as well, but sight ranges shouldn't be seen by other players. Comp Maps would reveal all of the map for all players, of course. This, of course, assumes you're playing co-op.

Chat would be important for things like "Stash the shotguns - there's a metric ton of barrels ahead!", "I found another blue armor - anyone need it?" ect.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Anticheese on April 12, 2006, 10:46
The original Doom supported hotkeys for chat.

Really I think that it would be not worth the time to add an Internet based multiplayer feature, I gave TOMEnet a spin and really Roguelikes are not built to deal with lag.

I reckon that a LAN co-op would be a better idea though.
Title: 2 Player mode
Post by: Aerton on April 12, 2006, 11:52
Quoting: Anticheese
Really I think that it would be not worth the time to add an Internet based multiplayer feature... I reckon that a LAN co-op would be a better idea though.


Technically, it's the same TCP/IP for both.

But the biggest obstacle isn't the techincal side, it's the logic (gameplay).
While I was one of the earliest to request the multiplayer feature, I've changed my mind and now I don't think that can be done without either going unplayable or being changed too much to be the same game any longer.