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Title: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: leparfum on December 23, 2012, 11:27

hi, this is my first post here, and i don't speak English very well, so i will do what i can.
i discovered this game 1 month ago and i m at more than 4 day of  game time ( i think i have a problem with addiction :D ) yesterday was a special day because it was my first win in UV (AoSht) and my first win in Ao100 with the discover of the DS!

So, this was another try on AO100, wanted to have ammochain build, but at level 18 i found the Dragonslayer so it change my plan a bit :p

No problem to take it ( i read this forum a lot and it appear that it's a king of relic here so i was very exited, i had my little "theory" which was exact)
the rest of the game was very easy with this blade, i crushed all enemies very fast, it was almost boring near the end but i went for my first win in Ao100 ( i feel like a cheater to complete it with the DS though because i wouldn't be able to deal with all the enemies i met without it...)
so here is the mortem :

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Timo Viitanen, level 22 Hell Baron Major Marine,
 completed 100 levels of torture on level 100 of Hell.
 He survived 168788 turns and scored 1208042 points.
 He played for 3 hours, 8 minutes and 33 seconds.
 He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.

 He killed 2092 out of 2092 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!
 He was an Angel of 100!

 He saved himself 3 times.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 0
  Levels visited   : 0
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Medal of Prejudice
  Experience Medal
  Centurial Silver Badge
  Centurial Gold Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

  ###########################################################
  ###........./=====../..[.#....0..#..../......%..........+..
  ######..#.#/.=====..#....#..\..0.#....#.................#..
  ###......./|.#===####..%.+......./....#.................#..
  ###.........#..%...0#....#########....#########/#########..
  ###.........#......./....+......./....+......0..........+..
  #####==##../####/#######/####+####/#######+####/####+######
  ###..==...#.....=...+.......#.#.......+.............0...+..
  ###..==...+.....===.#.......#.#....|..#########/#########/#
  ###########........=#^=...../.####/####.................#..
  ###.."..../...+.....==#######/#.......#.................#..
  ###.......#.0.......+........./.......+................./..
  ######/####/####+#######+####+####/#######+####/####/######
  ###.....^.#.........+...........|...../................./..
  ###.......#........0#.................#.................###
  ###}....../.........#..\..............#.................#..
  ###.......#.........#...0.......+.....#.................#.0
  ###.......#+X.......+...;.^...........+.....|...........+..
  ###########################################################
  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 77/70   Experience 529577/22
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +6  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +12

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Marine

    Ironman          (Level 1)
    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 3)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 3)
    Reloader         (Level 2)
    Brute            (Level 3)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 1)
    Badass           (Level 2)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  Rel->Rel->SoB->SoB->TH->TH->MAc->SoB->Bru->Fin->Fin->HR->HR->HR->WK->Bad->Bad->DM->Iro->Bru->Bru->Fin->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Lava Armor [4/4] (66%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   Dragonslayer (9d9)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   tactical boots [0/0] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   Butcher's Cleaver (5d6)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]
    [b] fire shield [4/4] (200%)
    [c] energy shield [0/0] (74%)
    [d] Necroarmor [6/6] (100%)
    [e] large med-pack
    [f] large med-pack
    [g] large med-pack
    [h] large med-pack
    [i] large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] large med-pack
    [r] large med-pack
    [s] large med-pack
    [t] Hell Staff

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Bullet     - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Melee      - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Shrapnel   - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Acid       - internal 60%   torso 60%   feet 60% 
    Fire       - internal 60%   torso 95%   feet 60% 
    Plasma     - internal 60%   torso 95%   feet 60% 

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    95 former humans
    170 former sergeants
    188 former captains
    97 imps
    80 demons
    145 lost souls
    45 cacodemons
    74 hell knights
    299 barons of hell
    127 arachnotrons
    6 former commandos
    15 pain elementals
    159 revenants
    185 mancubi
    214 arch-viles
    19 nightmare imps
    61 nightmare cacodemons
    45 nightmare demons
    28 nightmare arachnotrons
    5 nightmare arch-viles
    22 bruiser brothers
    2 shamblers
    3 lava elemental
    3 agony elementals
    5 Cyberdemons

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 10 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
  On level 15 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 18 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 28 he found the Lava Armor!
  On level 29 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 31 he found the Hell Staff!
  On level 34 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 35 he assembled a fire shield!
  On level 38 he stumbled into complex full of revenants!
  On level 43 he found the Necroarmor!
  On level 47 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 53 he stumbled into complex full of mancubi!
  On level 55 he ran for his life from acid!
  Level 59 blasted him with unholy atmosphere!
  On level 64 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 65 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 68 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 70 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 71 he found the Butcher's Cleaver!
  On level 72 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 79 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  Level 82 blasted him with unholy atmosphere!
  Level 83 blasted him with unholy atmosphere!
  Level 84 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 85 he stumbled into complex full of mancubi!
  He sounded the alarm on level 85!
  Level 86 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 87 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 93 he stumbled into complex full of revenants!
  Level 95 blasted him with unholy atmosphere!
  On level 100 he finally completed 100 levels of torture.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 You need to taste blood!
 There are stairs leading downward here. You need to taste blood!
 You did it! You completed 100 levels of DoomRL! You're the champion! Press
 <Enter>...
 You need to taste blood!

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 588 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 565 of those were killed.
 3 of those were killed by something unknown.
 2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.

 17 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 4 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 12 killed the bitch and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

-------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.noelshack.com/2012-51-1356286653-2012-12-22-21-54-14-timo-viitanen.png
 level 46

http://www.noelshack.com/2012-51-1356286678-2012-12-23-01-29-55-timo-viitanen.png
Without DS, i would be dead so many time!

http://www.noelshack.com/2012-51-1356286717-2012-12-23-00-30-01-timo-viitanen.png
inventory


http://www.noelshack.com/2012-51-1356286880-2012-12-23-01-39-06-timo-viitanen.png
and yes! it's over

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: raekuul on December 23, 2012, 11:41

mortem tags, please use them

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Klear on December 23, 2012, 11:56

Nice work! And congratulations on finding the DS - I've never even seen it, much less picked it up. I have a few theories of my own, but so far no luck in testing them =)

Oh, and welcome to the forums!

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: leparfum on December 23, 2012, 12:05

Quote

mortem tags, please use them

how? :s
thanks klear!
edit :ok seems good now, thank you too ZicherCZ

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: ZicherCZ on December 23, 2012, 12:11

Quote from: leparfum on December 23, 2012, 12:05

how? :s
thanks klear!

Just like you used "code" - it's "mortem" and "/mortem" inside square brackets.
Have fun with DoomRL and at the forums!

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: ParaSait on December 23, 2012, 12:46

That's a lot of medpacks.

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Tormuse on December 23, 2012, 21:11

Welcome to the forums!  :)

Dragonslayer is the one thing I've never figured out in this game.  It's the biggest barrier to me getting all the badges.  :P

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Cheesybox on December 23, 2012, 21:25

I've been playing DoomRL since 0.9.8 and I still haven't gotten the DS. Dude plays for a month and picks it up. FML.
GJ though, Ao100 on anything higher than HNTR gets tough since you're more likely to get instagibbed. Course the DS makes it considerably easier.

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Equality on December 25, 2012, 04:07

how you can get it? O_O found DS again.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

be invulnerable: no result
try destroy this damn thing by rocket: no result
wearing nothing and no inventory: no result
be hurt, healed, running, tired: no result
make a tile with DS "blood": no result
trying "O"pen, "C"lose, "U"se, and even descend ">": no result
make a step to DS tile from any direction (try all 8 neighbors): no result

Make a suicide (Q) - and just quit to title. wtf, HOW???
it's impossible to get :(

well, anybody can get it (if successful enough and know how)? any class, any traits?

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Tormuse on December 25, 2012, 05:39

Spoiler: Doing something... (click to show/hide)

Yeah, having Brute trait and/or being berserk

isn't enough either.  :|  Someone suggested looking at mortems in which other people found it, so supposedly, something in the mortems is a clue, but I've still never figured it out.  :|

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: rchandra on December 25, 2012, 10:43

Bah, I was certain I had figured it out, but my planned method was in Equality's list. :(

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Tormuse on December 25, 2012, 13:31

Yeah, I liked the one of

Spoiler: doing something else (click to show/hide)

getting blood on the DS.  :|

Spoiler: Another idea... (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Equality on December 25, 2012, 04:07

trying "O"pen, "C"lose, "U"se, and even descend ">": no result

I notice "unload" isn't on that list,

although, I don't think that's it either, since that wouldn't show up in the mortem.  Hmm...

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Matt_S on December 25, 2012, 21:25

I've heard before that anyone who finds it can pick it up, or something like that.  But I haven't even found it yet, so...

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Equality on December 25, 2012, 22:50

Quote from: Tormuse on December 25, 2012, 13:31

I notice "unload" isn't on that list, although, I don't think that's it either, since that wouldn't show up in the mortem.  Hmm...

trying unload just open inventory with your weapons to unload :(

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

last idea is "nuke it and survive the explosion" - but need nuke and invulnerability for at list 11 turns, not for anyone, and very rare condition - find DS, have a nuke and be invul simultaneously.

Unfortunately, no savescumming possible - no way get save before DS ) may be I never find it again in a hundreds of runs

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Q2ZOv on December 26, 2012, 16:18

Tried all that and much more and couldn't pick it up.

Also I suggest to at least hide those unsuccessful methods in spoiler tags if not delete completely since i think even unsuccessful ones are big spoiler that should be avoided. That is also the reason I never posted description of all my crazy and time consuming attempts to pick DS up even though I wanted to post them so much (they are pretty funny i think :D ).

As for hints in previous DS successful mortems, i read all of them some time ago and I thought that I found some HUGE hints, i had no luck with them though so maybe I was just seeing things :).

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Tormuse on December 26, 2012, 22:18

Quote from: Q2ZOv on December 26, 2012, 16:18

Also I suggest to at least hide those unsuccessful methods in spoiler tags if not delete completely since i think even unsuccessful ones are big spoiler that should be avoided.

Fair enough.  I'll edit my posts to add spoiler tags.  :)

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Hamster on December 26, 2012, 23:18

Some DS thoughts.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I recall someone saying that DS appears in UC, but only on N! and with 100% kills. But that's a guaranteed DS. Maybe you just have to have 100% kills when you pick up DS? And, maybe, at least HNTR.
And you can wear BA only with DS in your hands.
Only guesses... I'm not a very skilled player, I can't handle N! so I can't even verify N! UC YAAM.

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Tormuse on December 27, 2012, 03:05

Quote from: Hamster on December 26, 2012, 23:18

Some DS thoughts.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I recall someone saying that DS appears in UC, but only on N! and with 100% kills. But that's a guaranteed DS. Maybe you just have to have 100% kills when you pick up DS? And, maybe, at least HNTR.
And you can wear BA only with DS in your hands.
Only guesses... I'm not a very skilled player, I can't handle N! so I can't even verify N! UC YAAM.

Spoiler: Clarification (click to show/hide)

I got the guaranteed DS to generate once, so I know you don't have to have 100% kills.  I think it's based on how much damage you've taken, since I was trying to get Untouchable Cross that game.  (Win, taking less than 50 damage)  I'm pretty sure it has to be Nightmare! difficulty for it to generate there, and I think you're right about only being able to wear BA if you have DS.

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Equality on December 27, 2012, 03:30

as far as I catch from mortems,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

not taken damage or kill rate limited guaranteed DS but visiting (and may be completing) some of special levels.

But my skills are not enough for descending to N! UC - usually they kill me at level 2 or 3...

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: leparfum on December 31, 2012, 05:04

i still don't know if you have condition to make DS appear (in that case i think i discovered few of them because i made "particular" things that i remember in this run before found it) or you can find it just by luck.
For condition to yield it when i read you i said myself maybe i was lucky and have done something without know :p

Title: Re: [H|Ao100|100%|100|YAAM] ammochain->dragonslayer
Post by: Equality on December 31, 2012, 07:18

no, conditions are only for N! game, when guaranteed DS appears at Unholy Cathedral. At Ao100 runs (and all other not N!) DS appears randomly. So, never know when...