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Discussion / Re: How do i use the dragonslayer?
« on: April 17, 2010, 04:33 »
...and now Kornel does a silent change in 0.9.9.2 that changes the DS prereqs to something similar, and screws the spoilered players up
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Discussion / Re: Why do people keep on saying the megasphere is a myth?
« on: April 08, 2010, 16:25 »
Megasphere? What Megasphere, I've never seen one. What would it even be in DoomRL, a powerup that gives free ammo, like in original DOom? This would be stupid, and counter-intuitive with the inventory managemet being present.
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Discussion / Some Ammochain thoughts
« on: April 08, 2010, 16:23 »
As of now, the Ammochain is definitely one of the most prominent 'easy' buttons the game has, and by far the most consistent. I'm not asking to nerf it (after all, I'm posting it in Discussion, not Feature Request), but if it is decided it needs a rebalance, let's think of how it could be done:
Ammochain is so powerful, because it solves multiple problems all by itself. Army of the Dead, for example, solves only the problem of giving the shotguns plasma damage, which stacks well with the Shottyman prereq effect, and it is already good. MAc solves many problems by itself at the same time:
So, to preserve the spirit of MAc, the first function, in my opinion, must stay no matter what. I propose for consideration a way which will rebalance the 2,3,4 and 5th point:
The Ammochain allows you to stack all the 10mm ammo and plasma cells indefinitely, and chains those stacks into the equipped rapidfire weapon indefinitely
Basically, you'll still need to collect ammo (thus, offsetting the 2nd point), which will stack similarly to the backpack effect, but indefinitely (so, there'll be 2 slots filled, '10 mm ammo(x1284)' and 'plasma cells (x450)', as a corollary to 3), and channelled directly into the weapon, so 1 stays the same.
Now it makes sense to keep the chaingun (and maybe get the Juggler as 8th trait), as the 5th point signifies, for times when you don't need plasma and are forced to conserve bullets such as out-of-LoS shooting (4th point)
The presence of Chaingun also makes the modding subgame a bit more interesting, seeing as it and the plasmagun serve different functions - i'd specialise them like T3P2 chaingun for out-of-LoS scouting, and AT2P2 for plasma, maybe even considering A2TP2/A2T2P for bullet conservation.
(Concerning the Elite Diamond Badge, the introduction of gibbing will make it possible even with such modifications to MAc, I think. Though for me it is still impossible, for now :) )
That's the gist of my idea, all discussion is welcome. It will be interesting to see, at least, the point of view of fellow DoomRL players on MAc balance.
Ammochain is so powerful, because it solves multiple problems all by itself. Army of the Dead, for example, solves only the problem of giving the shotguns plasma damage, which stacks well with the Shottyman prereq effect, and it is already good. MAc solves many problems by itself at the same time:
- It totally obliterates the reloading subgame.
- It totally obliterates the ammo collection subgame.
- It obliterates the inventory space management subgame (for ammo, at least).
- The previous also opens a new tactic of shoot-scouting, which is pretty comparable to the effects of a Cateye, for example.
- It obsoletes the chaingun, making the plasmagun the weapon of choice a no-brainer, and effectively giving you unlimited plasma damage.
- It simplifies the modding subgame. as bulk mods become totally worthless, the WK is a prereq, and PT mods being very synergistics with the basic trait prereqs.
So, to preserve the spirit of MAc, the first function, in my opinion, must stay no matter what. I propose for consideration a way which will rebalance the 2,3,4 and 5th point:
The Ammochain allows you to stack all the 10mm ammo and plasma cells indefinitely, and chains those stacks into the equipped rapidfire weapon indefinitely
Basically, you'll still need to collect ammo (thus, offsetting the 2nd point), which will stack similarly to the backpack effect, but indefinitely (so, there'll be 2 slots filled, '10 mm ammo(x1284)' and 'plasma cells (x450)', as a corollary to 3), and channelled directly into the weapon, so 1 stays the same.
Now it makes sense to keep the chaingun (and maybe get the Juggler as 8th trait), as the 5th point signifies, for times when you don't need plasma and are forced to conserve bullets such as out-of-LoS shooting (4th point)
The presence of Chaingun also makes the modding subgame a bit more interesting, seeing as it and the plasmagun serve different functions - i'd specialise them like T3P2 chaingun for out-of-LoS scouting, and AT2P2 for plasma, maybe even considering A2TP2/A2T2P for bullet conservation.
(Concerning the Elite Diamond Badge, the introduction of gibbing will make it possible even with such modifications to MAc, I think. Though for me it is still impossible, for now :) )
That's the gist of my idea, all discussion is welcome. It will be interesting to see, at least, the point of view of fellow DoomRL players on MAc balance.
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0.9.9.1 / Re: [U|89%|YAVP] Everything went just right
« on: April 06, 2010, 17:25 »
Looked like a super-rific run though. In spite of the ridic armor you decided to focus on it even more with maxed Ironman. Usually on UV I find it's so much more important to build a solid foundation of strength, but I suppose MAc made up for that. Still, a third SoaB couldn't hurt, yeah?
Actually, I worried more about some stupid keypress mistake ruining such a good run, so I wanted some buffer HP. Third SoaB was not actually needed for P2T2 plasmagun, since 2 volleys take care of almost everything before it could react, and blindfire is always an option (netted me a shiny gold cluster, too) =)
The only thing plasmagun couldn't keep up to, was a pain elemental cave. The souls just overwhelm even a T2 one
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0.9.9.1 / [U|89%|YAVP] Everything went just right
« on: April 06, 2010, 15:51 »--------------------------------------------------------------
DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Shadrak, level 12 Hell Baron Captain, defeated the Cyberdemon
on level 25 of the Phobos base.
He survived 75842 turns and scored 246150 points.
He played for 1 hour, 17 minutes and 5 seconds.
He was a man of Ultra-Violence!
He killed 922 out of 1035 hellspawn. (89%)
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
UAC Star (gold cluster)
UAC Gold Badge
Skull Silver Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 37/80 Experience 69441/12
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +0 ToDmg Ranged +2 ToDmg Melee +2
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Ironman (Level 3)
Finesse (Level 2)
Son of a bitch (Level 2)
Whizkid (Level 2)
Triggerhappy (Level 2)
Ammochain (Level 1)
SoB->Fin->Fin->SoB->WK->TH->MAc->WK->Iro->TH->Iro->Iro->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] Necroarmor [6/6] (86%)
[b] [ Weapon ] modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [0/130] (B1)
[c] [ Boots ] modified phaseshift boots [4/4] (98%) (A)
[d] [ Prepared ] modified plasma rifle (1d9)x6 [40/40] (A1P2T2)
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] modified missile launcher (6d6) [6/6] (B2)
[b] Malek's Armor [3/3] (100%)
[c] rocket (x10)
[d] large med-pack
[e] large med-pack
[f] large med-pack
[g] large med-pack
[h] large med-pack
[i] large med-pack
[j] large med-pack
[k] large med-pack
[l] large med-pack
[m] phase device
[n] phase device
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
77 former humans
96 former sergeants
43 former captains
142 imps
51 demons
288 lost souls
44 cacodemons
31 barons of hell
1 Cyberdemon
24 hell knights
22 arachnotrons
14 former commandos
40 pain elementals
17 arch-viles
8 mancubi
22 revenants
2 bruiser brothers
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 2 he found the Malek's Armor!
On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 9 he found Hell's Armory.
On level 12 he found the Necroarmor!
On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
On level 17 he found the City of Skulls.
He wiped out the City of Skulls.
On level 19 he entered the Vaults.
He managed to scavenge a part of the Vaults treasures.
Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You swap your weapon.
Fire -- Choose target...
Unknown command. Press "?" for help.
You wear/wield : a modified plasma rifle (1d9)x6 [40/40] (A1P2T2)
You dropped a BFG 9000 (10d8) [20/100]. There is a BFG 9000 (10d8) [20/100]
lying here.
Unknown command. Press "?" for help. There is a BFG 9000 (10d8) [20/100]
lying here.
You fully unload the BFG 9000. There is a BFG 9000 (10d8) [0/100] lying here.
You swap your weapon. There is a BFG 9000 (10d8) [0/100] lying here.
You reload the BFG 9000 with power cell. There is a BFG 9000 (10d8) [0/100]
lying here.
You are hit!
Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
dies. You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
Before him 275 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
226 of those were killed.
3 of those were killed by something unknown.
2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 22 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
Is he immortal? 22 souls claim to have killed him...
3 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
17 killed the bastard and survived.
2 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.
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This is a major milestone for me - first ever win on standart Ultra-Violence. Having already cleared the UV AoMC, I tried to MAc my way to victory in U after two successfull Ao100 runs, hoping to put my improved skills to test.
Alas, the game was determined to mock me, and went into a double-easy mode, generating the Malek's armor on level2, which, with Ammochain and fully modded plasma in Armory basically guaranteed the smoothest sailing ever since HNTR. Everything else, including Missile Launcher and Phaseshift Boots spawning 2 spaces from an agility mod, was just icing on the cake. Swapped to double-BFGs and Necroarmor for more Cybie humiliation =)
Now only 1 more gold for major, pity not a Strongman Gold also
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Requests For Features / Re: Challenge modes ideas - old and new.
« on: January 06, 2010, 20:36 »
my two cents...
Angel of Traits - You were always a prodigy, able to get to the gist of things others had trouble with. But in Hell, there are demons almost as smart as you.
Gives player two traits at start-up, and removes all trait blocking. But every monster you meet also gets a trait. Or maybe even several - preferrably random.
Nobody expects a pack of SoB'd captains, dualgunner former humans, or a cat-eyed arch-vile with a pack of Int2 revenants (you ARE dead here =) )
Angel of Traits - You were always a prodigy, able to get to the gist of things others had trouble with. But in Hell, there are demons almost as smart as you.
Gives player two traits at start-up, and removes all trait blocking. But every monster you meet also gets a trait. Or maybe even several - preferrably random.
Nobody expects a pack of SoB'd captains, dualgunner former humans, or a cat-eyed arch-vile with a pack of Int2 revenants (you ARE dead here =) )
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Bug Reports / 0.9.9 crash
« on: January 04, 2010, 20:21 »
Diligently reporting something (HMP Ao100)
hope that helps somehow... the game then saved successfully
hope that helps somehow... the game then saved successfully
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0.9.9 / [M|AoMr|91%|YAVP] SoG-SoB build, YAAM in mind
« on: January 04, 2010, 09:12 »--------------------------------------------------------------
DoomRL (v.0.9.9) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Shadrak, level 10 Cacodemon 1st Lieutenant, sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon
on level 25 of the Phobos base.
He survived 99176 turns and scored 5944 points.
He played for 1 hour, 12 minutes and 1 second.
He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.
He killed 577 out of 633 hellspawn. (91%)
He held his right to remain violent.
He was an Angel of Marksmanship!
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
UAC Star (bronze cluster)
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health -5924/50 Experience 46834/10
ToHit Ranged +2 ToHit Melee +2 ToDmg Ranged +2 ToDmg Melee +2
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Finesse (Level 2)
Son of a bitch (Level 2)
Son of a gun (Level 3)
Reloader (Level 1)
Eagle Eye (Level 1)
Dualgunner (Level 1)
SoG->SoG->DG->SoG->EE->Rel->SoB->SoB->Fin->Fin->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] modified red armor [6/6] (54%) (P)
[b] [ Weapon ] modified pistol (2d5) [0/6] (P1)
[c] [ Boots ] modified protective boots [2/2] (64%) (A)
[d] [ Prepared ] modified pistol (2d5) [0/6] (P1)
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] Onyx Armor [2]
[b] large med-pack
[c] large med-pack
[d] large med-pack
[e] large med-pack
[f] large med-pack
[g] large med-pack
[h] large med-pack
[i] large med-pack
[j] large med-pack
[k] large med-pack
[l] thermonuclear bomb
[m] technical mod pack
[n] Hell Staff
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
96 former humans
80 former sergeants
20 former captains
137 imps
34 demons
67 lost souls
28 cacodemons
14 barons of hell
1 Cyberdemon
21 hell knights
39 arachnotrons
9 former commandos
3 pain elementals
10 arch-viles
10 mancubi
8 revenants
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
He cowardly fled the Arena.
On level 4 he found the Assault Shotgun!
On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 10 he found Hell's Armory.
On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 14 he found the Onyx Armor!
On level 19 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
On level 21 he found the Hell Staff!
Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
He nuked level 25!
On level 25 he finally sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
thermonuclear bomb. Warning! Explosion in 10 seconds! The
Cyberdemon fires! You are hit! Warning! Explosion in 9 seconds!
Are you out of your mind???
Are you out of your mind???
Warning! Explosion in 8 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
The Cyberdemon fires! You dodge! Boom! Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher. Warning! Explosion in 4
seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You
feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated the
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
Before him 195 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
159 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 20 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
Is he immortal? 12 souls claim to have killed him...
11 killed the bastard and survived.
1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.
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After a streak of ultra-violence standart games, hmp is so watered down... decided to rack up the pistol kills to achieve Mancubus rank and do a HMP AoMr YAAM run.
This build feels much nicer than MGK - the awesome kickback in particular is nice, and no wasted slots on HR/DM. All went fine, especially Onyx Armor, though no adv pistol or useful unique in Hell Armory. Then after two Arach caverns I found an Inv globe near the entrance to Spider's lair. I tended to balance my inventory in medkit favor, and had only 150 ammo left - but decided to clean it. Then in the next level only one chaingun surfaced, and no Santa-Clausy red 'h' ammo dispensers - was forced to kill the last two imps in melee, and hope for ammo in the next level.
No luck with ammo - forced to abandon the YAAM, I phase to the steps and thermie the C. All those unused medpacks in mortem annoy me greatly. Will be much wiser next time.
First partial win, at least =)
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Pre-0.9.9 / Re: [H|95%|12] YAVP - game strongly hinted I should've played AoMr or AoB
« on: November 27, 2008, 11:55 »
Yes, and this is how I usually go about in City... but this time a stray rocket destroyed the releasing lever, so no second BFG for me (as if i really needed it, heh ;)
upd:
@Mrzerty & Blade
I feel like PDs only teleport to an empty floor space. I think it would be easier to just ask Kornel himself =)
(As a side note for devs, great game. I tried it a long time ago, when there were no pretty gimmicks, and is now surprised as to the solid chunk of fun it turned out to be ;)
Having Angband (and ToME) experience actually helps getting about the game easier; I think that it's not like that for a nethacker)
upd:
@Mrzerty & Blade
I feel like PDs only teleport to an empty floor space. I think it would be easier to just ask Kornel himself =)
(As a side note for devs, great game. I tried it a long time ago, when there were no pretty gimmicks, and is now surprised as to the solid chunk of fun it turned out to be ;)
Having Angband (and ToME) experience actually helps getting about the game easier; I think that it's not like that for a nethacker)
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Pre-0.9.9 / Re: [H|95%|12] YAVP - game strongly hinted I should've played AoMr or AoB
« on: November 27, 2008, 08:00 »
addendum: I cleared the City of Skulls, but as i lost my previous character there, i dared not use the lever and instead opened the rooms with rockets, annihilating the second BFG in process. Pity =(
Looking at unique list, i see that the character lacked only Anti-Freak Jackal. And is it intended that the Spear can be seen from outside the cathedral, being on a wall? ;)
Looking at unique list, i see that the character lacked only Anti-Freak Jackal. And is it intended that the Spear can be seen from outside the cathedral, being on a wall? ;)
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Pre-0.9.9 / [H|95%|12] YAVP - game strongly hinted I should've played AoMr or AoB
« on: November 27, 2008, 07:31 »--------------------------------------------------------------
DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Shadrak, level 12 Demon Captain, defeated the Cyberdemon
on level 25 of the Phobos base.
He survived 114360 turns and scored 170486 points.
He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.
He killed 739 out of 774 hellspawn. (95%)
He held his right to remain violent.
He saved himself 2 times.
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 52/80 Experience 61648/12
ToHit +4 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +0
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Ironman (Level 3)
Tough as nails (Level 3)
Son of a gun (Level 2)
Eagle Eye (Level 2)
Cateye (Level 1)
Dualgunner (Level 1)
TaN->TaN->SoG->SoG->EE->EE->DG->Cat->Iro->Iro->Iro->TaN->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] nothing
[b] [ Weapon ] Trigun (3d6) [0/6]
[c] [ Boots ] modified steel boots [1/1] (100%) (M)
[d] [ Prepared ] Blaster (2d5) [19/20]
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] advanced rocket launcher (6d7) [1/1] (D1R3)
[b] BFG 9000 (10d8) [30/100]
[c] Grammaton Cleric Beretta (1d7)x6 [18/18]
[d] Butcher's Cleaver (5d6)
[e] 10mm ammo (x140)
[f] 10mm ammo (x140)
[g] 10mm ammo (x5)
[h] rocket (x12)
[i] rocket (x14)
[j] rocket (x14)
[k] rocket (x14)
[l] small med-pack
[m] envirosuit pack
[n] armor durability mod
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
109 former humans
79 former sergeants
25 former captains
79 imps
53 demons
118 lost souls
16 cacodemons
29 barons of hell
1 Cyberdemon
30 hell knights
21 arachnotrons
7 former commandos
14 pain elementals
13 arch-viles
9 mancubi
18 revenants
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 3 he found the Blaster!
On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 8 he witnessed the Wall.
He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
On level 9 he found the Trigun!
On level 11 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 13 he found the Butcher's Cleaver!
On level 15 he he found the City of Skulls.
He fled the City in terror!
On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
On level 20 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!
Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You wear/wield : a Trigun (3d6) [6/6]
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
You reload the Trigun with 10mm ammo. The Cyberdemon fires! You are hit!
Your green armor is completely destroyed!
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target...
Fire -- Choose target... You hear the scream of a freed soul!
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
Before him 74 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
63 of those were killed.
1 of those was killed by something unknown.
1 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
And 4 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.
Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
Is he immortal? 5 souls claim to have killed him...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
4 killed the bastard and survived.
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My first win on H, getting me closer to Major rank, this run was insanely packed with pistol and melee uniques. Starting with TaN, as usual, so finding a Blaster on l3 allowed me to branch into a true Son of a Gun. I pondered taking DG for a non-modified pistol, but kept back, until chance got me a Trigun [they stack quite nicely, with Trigun in first slot you do not have to special-reload at all].
Standard cells in Chained Court - Backpack (sniped all those pesky barons behind the wall with only a blaster, as all 5 rockets went into breaching the Wall itself) at Wall - BFG from Halls of Carnage. And then the game throws in my face a red armor, armor protection mod and a Butcher's knife and steps to Unholy Cathedral in two neighboring rooms on L16. Tried playing with AoD - it quickly devoured my armor, depleted medpacks and i was forced to flee using sweet HPD with 3% health. And no heals for the first half of next level too
Beretta on level 20 was overkill - i did not find a use to it, though kept as a souvenir. The Trigun seems to have an advantage as it knocks enemies back a lot.
On l21 I used all my cells in a big room full of V's, M'sm, R's, and B's and cleaning afterwards in a small closet by the side found the Dragonslayer, which was even more overkill than Beretta. And I couldn't pick it up, either ;)
Cybie was a piece of cake - I just advanced until I heard his sounds, then fired east blindly, until i heard grunts of pain. I never even saw him, Trigun did a great job keeping him at bay.
So that's my first H winning run. By the way, what will happen if you use the sweet HPD on Cybie's arena? Will it allow the same thing as using a nuke? =)
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