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Title: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: modular on March 29, 2013, 02:18
Just sitting on the floor, mocking me
during my ao100 UV 100% game on level 53

now I can't continue until I figure this one out :3.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: White Rider on March 29, 2013, 02:24
inb4 spoilers on how to obtain dragonslayer

Have you tried leaving the floor and coming back to it later?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: modular on March 29, 2013, 02:35
First thing I tried was the berserk pack, but that obviously didn't work. I think ill watch the anime first before I even move :P.
I'm not sure if I want to be permanently berserk the rest of the game, but I also don't want to miss anything special (if there is any) by not wielding it.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on March 29, 2013, 02:41
Lucky you... I've never even seen the dragonslayer, not to mention wielded it. I did find the berserker armour twice, but I'd really love to have chance to try to grab this bigass sword.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on March 29, 2013, 04:21
well... Anyway you got it in "Rare and unique found list". But how wield them... Oh, man :)) I don't know too. See at my sign part.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Radagast on March 29, 2013, 04:24
Lucky you... I've never even seen the dragonslayer, not to mention wielded it. I did find the berserker armour twice, but I'd really love to have chance to try to grab this bigass sword.
Same. Let's hope we find in some future ao100 run or something.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on March 29, 2013, 05:29
Yeah, finding DS is pretty much my strongest motivation for playing Ao100...

Edit: Hmm... according to my very inaccurate and probably wrong calculations, you should find DS on average every 6 finished Ao100 games...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: appuru on March 29, 2013, 11:21
I read one of 2Dev's mortems a long time ago, he mentioned damageless N! run up to UC to get Dragonslayer to drop every time. I figured this would be a great way to experiment with the Dragonslayer so I was trying to reproduce this.

Since getting all the way to UC damageless on standard N! is out of my league, I tested this with AoOC instead and I managed to get "damageless 100%" by clearing out a pain elemental cave right before UC. I also took under 50 damage in another attempt on the first floor of AoOC, and took *no* damage on UC (basically just grabbed two invulnerability globes right before and ran straight to the AoD). The former dropped an Azrael's Scythe, the latter dropped the Longinus Spear. No Dragonslayer. It may be restricted to standard games =(
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on March 29, 2013, 11:24
I read one of 2Dev's mortems a long time ago, he mentioned damageless N! run up to UC to get Dragonslayer to drop every time. I figured this would be a great way to experiment with the Dragonslayer so I was trying to reproduce this.

Since getting all the way to UC damageless on standard N! is out of my league, I tested this with AoOC instead and I managed to get "damageless 100%" by clearing out a pain elemental cave right before UC. I also took under 50 damage in another attempt on the first floor of AoOC, and took *no* damage on UC (basically just grabbed two invulnerability globes right before and ran straight to the AoD). The former dropped an Azrael's Scythe, the latter dropped the Longinus Spear. No Dragonslayer. It may be restricted to standard games =(

The way I remembered it, he mentioned damageless run to be one of possible triggers for DS spawning in UC. It's likely that there's more to it than that.

In any case, damageless first level of AoOC is way out of my league as well.. =(
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: AlterAsc on March 29, 2013, 15:04
Me and my friend speculated about that and he suspects that you need to do some number(about 4 or so) of special levels damageless. Arena and some others. You're not required to play entirely damageless, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Rajhin on March 29, 2013, 15:31
Me and my friend speculated about that and he suspects that you need to do some number(about 4 or so) of special levels damageless. Arena and some others. You're not required to play entirely damageless, that's for sure.
It is required for spawn DS in UC (of N! skill level of course), but not for picking it up. DS ia also can be spawned absolutly randomly, even in non-Ao100 run.
Also I think that DS is more likely to spawn in one Arch100 game that in seven Ao100 games because any unique may can be generated only one time per game.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on March 29, 2013, 18:54
I've only gotten the guaranteed DS to spawn once in this game. (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5334.msg43238.html#msg43238)  This shows that it doesn't have to be a standard game, (this one was AoMC) and it doesn't have to be completely damageless.  (I had taken some damage by the time I reached UC)  As Appuru said, it can't be done in AoOC, (I made an attempt at it and managed to clear Hell 1 and UC damageless and still only got the Longinus Spear) but I don't think you have to have Conqueror by that point to get it.  (In the above-mentioned mortem, I failed to clear one of the levels, and I think it was Halls of Carnage that I missed, since that's the only one listed in the mortem that doesn't explicitly state that I cleared it)

Also I think that DS is more likely to spawn in one Arch100 game that in seven Ao100 games because any unique may can be generated only one time per game.

Hopefully, I'm about to find out, because I'm playing an AAo666 game right now.  :)  I have a new theory about how to pick it up, so I hope to get the chance to try it.  :)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: modular on March 29, 2013, 19:03
That wasn't too hard
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on March 29, 2013, 19:16
Damn!  Someone else beat me to it!  :|  I really hope my theory is correct; it would be a good time for me to get it in this game, because I'm playing with a melee build and I've already found the Berserker Armor!
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: AlterAsc on March 30, 2013, 01:13
It is required for spawn DS
That's exactly what i meant, i know that picking it up has nothing to do with spawning it as it can be randomized.

Added: i met DS once and i gave up on trying to figure out the way to pick it up. So now i only hope that it doesn't spawn to taunt me.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on March 30, 2013, 02:34
Just to make it clear - DS is a regular drop, but there is a way to make it spawn in UC in a fully non-random way (requires skill though).
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Fanta Hege on March 30, 2013, 08:07
I've met DS several times and I can tell you that these do not work on picking it up:

-Both hands free
-Low health
-No armor
-100% kills
-Overhealed
-While berserk with none or one or more of the above

and honestly I'm thinking the new way of picking it up is something super simple that I am hoping to test next time around I see it, which is pretty much to try the "use" button instead of 'pick it up' button. Doubt it will work but hey who knows.
Too bad it has appeared in ages for me.

Though honestly, I am more interested on seeing it with the combination of berserk armor. I don't think anyone has yet done a game with both of them weilded yet?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: IronBeer on March 30, 2013, 08:55
[REDACTED PER REQUEST. APOLOGIES]
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on March 30, 2013, 09:05
Could you spoiler the list of things you tried as well? I don't want any advice. Or rather, I want to know everything, but I want to figure it out myself even more =)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on March 30, 2013, 14:20
Darn it, Fanta Hege!  That's what I was thinking of doing!  If it works, I'm gonna seem unoriginal!  :P  Well, I'll have to think up some more DS-wielding theories in any case.  Like you say, maybe that one is too obvious.  Also, like Klear requested, you might want to put your theories in spoiler tags.

Though honestly, I am more interested on seeing it with the combination of berserk armor. I don't think anyone has yet done a game with both of them weilded yet?

2Dev (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5446.msg44381.html#msg44381) did it (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5563.msg45988.html#msg45988) a few (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5649.msg47056.html#msg47056) times. (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5850.msg49734.html#msg49734)

Also, Firstblood. (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,5767.msg48580.html#msg48580)

Maybe others; I don't know.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Rajhin on March 30, 2013, 15:12
Well, now its my turn to stay and look at that edged rail.
I even have looked through berserk manga with all that naked shota stuff and I still do not know what to do (I shouldn't have rocket launcher to take that sword, right? RIGHT? Because I haven't. And remember about UC, after all.)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on March 30, 2013, 16:27
It's really awkward seeing people theorize about how to pick it up.  Honestly I'm not sure how anyone figured it out just by experimenting.  I don't think I ever would have figured it out, if I'd ever even seen it :/

I'm simultaneously curious if 2Dev correctly deduced the special spawn requirement for the Dragonslayer.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: modular on March 30, 2013, 17:52
Berserker armor has -70% move speed according to the wiki. Am I missing something, or is it just really bad?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Ashannar on March 30, 2013, 18:29
Most bulky armor has hefty -movespeed. It usually has high melee resistance to compensate. There's nothing wrong with that. You can just stand there and tank their melee attacks while you attack them.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Radagast on March 31, 2013, 06:10
Most bulky armor has hefty -movespeed. It usually has high melee resistance to compensate. There's nothing wrong with that. You can just stand there and tank their melee attacks while you attack them.
IF you ever reach them before dying that is.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on March 31, 2013, 08:25
I have a feeling the Berserker Armor confers extra bonuses when combined with DS that aren't listed in the Wiki.  For one thing, all the mortems with people wearing it show a defensive strength of 4, whereas normally, it says 0.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: MaiZure on March 31, 2013, 09:33
Or possible if berserk in general, with or without DS.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on March 31, 2013, 12:21
I was under the impression that you can't wear the Berserker Armor unless you're wielding DS.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I certainly haven't seen any mortems with people wearing the armour, but not wielding DS.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: chag on March 31, 2013, 15:52
Hi,

I have been lurking on this board for quite some time but this is my first post, so hello everyone!

Well, some days ago I was playing an Angel of 666 where I first found the Berserk Armor and then on level 60 the Dragonslayer. Well, was awesome for a while but after some time I became a little bored. I have to admit that I carried the armor around until about the last level (the move speed of that thing kinda kept me from wearing it right away) so until then I was breezing through from exit to exit (lame, I know, but it really became boring after a while...) with a Malek´s armor, Nyarlaptotep´s boots while being Blademaster :-) I was actually hoping to find the Dragonslayer but not that early, lol.

Also, when I killed the Apostle there was some weird error message. I would have posted my mortem but couldn´t figure out how to do so, but if anyone could tell me I would post it (in case anyone wants to read it).

Greets
chag
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Rajhin on March 31, 2013, 18:00
Hi,

I have been lurking on this board for quite some time but this is my first post, so hello everyone!

Well, some days ago I was playing an Angel of 666 where I first found the Berserk Armor and then on level 60 the Dragonslayer. Well, was awesome for a while but after some time I became a little bored. I have to admit that I carried the armor around until about the last level (the move speed of that thing kinda kept me from wearing it right away) so until then I was breezing through from exit to exit (lame, I know, but it really became boring after a while...) with a Malek´s armor, Nyarlaptotep´s boots while being Blademaster :-) I was actually hoping to find the Dragonslayer but not that early, lol.

Also, when I killed the Apostle there was some weird error message. I would have posted my mortem but couldn´t figure out how to do so, but if anyone could tell me I would post it (in case anyone wants to read it).

Greets
chag
Hi. You shold put all text from your mortem txt (which is stored in doomrl/mortem) between tags.
There are still an apostle in Ao100/Ao666? Interesting, but it is really weak at that point. And 100% fire protection should make it really ridiculous.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on March 31, 2013, 21:03
I think Rajhin meant to say mortem tags.  ;)

You can put the mortem in this forum (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php?board=4.0) and use the format outlined in this thread. (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,561.0.html)

I'd be pretty curious to see it; I've been playing this game for a while and I have yet to wield the Dragonslayer or wear the Berserker Armor.  Just remember not to reveal the secret of how you did it.  :)

EDIT:  Oh yeah, and you might want to submit a bug report about the error message you got.  You should be able to find the message in your error.log file.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: chag on April 01, 2013, 07:06
Thanks for the advice - I have posted it on the mortem forum, here it is

http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6261.0.html (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6261.0.html)

I have never encountered the apostle before, but I am only playing since version (0.9.9.6). Going to post the error log as well now.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 28, 2013, 04:02
And now, it's *my* turn to have the DS sitting in front of me, taunting me.  :P

Spoiler: Screenshot (click to show/hide)

I've already exhausted all the ideas I came up with, none of which worked.  :|  I think I may just leave this running for a while until I think of something new, but I may end up giving up again.  I really hope I get it!  With all the multitudes of people picking it up lately, I have a good feeling about it this time.  :)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: tdef on April 28, 2013, 11:54
well hello there
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 28, 2013, 12:41
I think I'm going to have to give up on this for now...  :(  I have to go to work and the weather report says a storm's coming in and I don't want to lose my game to a power outage.

Next time, Dragonslayer, next time...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 28, 2013, 12:57
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2162/dragonslayerdoom.png)

Just found my first, as well... not sure if I even want to try picking it up, though. I don't think I'll be able to finish this Ao666 run with a melee weapon, even one that powerful.

Edit: I left it without trying to pick it up. Not really sure how to go about that, and can't risk succeeding and losing my run. Hopefully it'll spawn another time when I'm not 107 floors deep into an AAo666 game with awesome gear that I'll play hundreds of games before finding again. Right now it feels like a cakewalk, and I'd like to preserve that.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on April 28, 2013, 13:15
And now, it's *my* turn to have the DS sitting in front of me, taunting me.  :P

Spoiler: Screenshot (click to show/hide)

I've already exhausted all the ideas I came up with, none of which worked.  :|  I think I may just leave this running for a while until I think of something new, but I may end up giving up again.  I really hope I get it!  With all the multitudes of people picking it up lately, I have a good feeling about it this time.  :)

So I guess I'm the last one who didn't ever see the damn thing? Too bad you didn't manage to pick it up...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 28, 2013, 14:22
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7313/helloagainp.png)

No, Dragonslayer... I'm playing an Ammochain game. I can't use you. Please stop trying to entice me.

First on 107, now on 119... how many times is this going to show up? If I was actually willing to pick it up, I might even be able to figure out how, given that it's throwing itself at me...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Ashannar on April 28, 2013, 14:59
I've found like 3 dragonslayers and even more berserker armors. I honestly didn't know it was that rare. I always just leave them because I think it's stupid as hell that no one can figure out how to pick it up and the information about how to do so is censored.

Haven't found any since 0.9.9.6, though.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: SageAcrin on April 28, 2013, 15:37
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7313/helloagainp.png)

No, Dragonslayer... I'm playing an Ammochain game. I can't use you. Please stop trying to entice me.

First on 107, now on 119... how many times is this going to show up? If I was actually willing to pick it up, I might even be able to figure out how, given that it's throwing itself at me...

Dragonslayer is so good that, if you can pick it up, it's worth throwing your entire build for.

Maybe if you have a Master skill that blocks Hellrunner, Brute and TaN, but none actually do that. (Cateye blocks two out of three though, and I might have to actually think about it there.)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 28, 2013, 16:40
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7616/dragonslayer3.png)

This is starting to get old...

I'm already level 25 with no brute or TaN, sadly. Regardless, my current build one shots barons and two shots almost everything bigger. Literally the only thing that takes more then a couple of bursts is a Cyberdemon, and those have been pretty rare.

I almost want to try it, but with nearly 500 levels to go, and no way to adjust my build to it, I don't think it's gonna be worth it.

Edit: Dammit, I've just discovered that I apparently missed a kill somewhere, somehow. Here's hoping it's a bug and when I finish it'll display correctly - I've only left levels once they turn blue =X
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on April 28, 2013, 18:05
So I guess I'm the last one who didn't ever see the damn thing? Too bad you didn't manage to pick it up...
Nope, Klear. I am yet to see it as well.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 28, 2013, 21:07
@Sereg, well, I've heard that if you don't try to pick it up, there's a chance of getting it again, but three in one game sounds crazy unusual!  :o  I played a whole Ao100 and AAo666 game without even one of them showing up!  Incidentally, it's none of my business, but if you did successfully pick it up, that's not the worst thing that could happen.  :P
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 28, 2013, 21:15
I'm not sure... I had the Inquisitor set with that nice speed boost, but then I managed to lock on a nanoskin armor which won't come off and is blocking my technician diamond this run(so is a complete lack of chainsaws - how do I get 3x DS and not a single chainsaw?), so I don't think I have the movespeed to make a melee clear work. Currently I'm sitting back and blowing people away from ridiculous ranges, especially if I get light amp or tracking computer - if I had to close all that distance, I think I'd take more damage then I could sustain.

Even if I could one-shot anything with DS, that's not a huge improvement over my current weapon, and it exposes me to far more damage... unless DS has abilities I'm entirely unaware of. Not something I'm really willing to risk this run, I think - maybe when I go back with Scavenger to finish off my assembly collection, I'll give it a try if I find it again.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: White Rider on April 28, 2013, 22:00
Dammit, this thread is calling me to try another ArchAo666 run...
I swear, 666 runs are only good for hunting for items and finishing up your Cyberdemon quota. Barring, of course, there is only one badge in the game that actually requires a 666 clear...

and maybe I'll find a DS and spend an hour or two mucking with it and screaming at my monitor all the while
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 28, 2013, 23:49
Apparently, I have to amend my above comment.  I thought that DS can appear again in the same game only if you don't try to pick it up, but I just found it again, so scratch that theory!  :o  Hey Klear, Skarczew, start up an AAo666 game quick!  The RNG has declared it Dragonslayer day!  :D

Spoiler: Screenshot (click to show/hide)

Now I feel dumb that I threw the Berserker Armour away; I figured that since I wasn't going to be wielding DS, there was no point in keeping it around.  :(  (though, I might not be able to wear it anyway, since I'm wearing cursed Cybernano armour)  In any case, the rain seems to have abated outside, so maybe I'll continue puzzling over this for a while.  :P  And as an added bonus, the ingame music track that's playing is my favourite song in DoomRL, the one that plays on level 5 of hell.  :)  (I still have it set to play the midi files; I don't think there's an mp3 version of that song)

unless DS has abilities I'm entirely unaware of...

I'm not sure if you're trying to avoid spoilers, so I'll spoiler this next bit...


Still, this is all just my opinion; if you're fond of your Ammochain build, hey, whatever floats your boat! :)

...blocking my technician diamond this run(so is a complete lack of chainsaws - how do I get 3x DS and not a single chainsaw?)

Aha!  I guess I've been stealing your Chainsaws and you've been stealing our Dragonslayers!  In my game, I found two Chainsaws, one on level 17 and one on level 18!  :)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on April 29, 2013, 01:18
not only Dragonslayer. I found 2 Subtle Knifes at one run. Seems "Unique" non an unique anymore.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 29, 2013, 02:34
By any chance, did you pick up the first one by (u)sing it from the ground?  Someone said that that might be a way of getting around the "uniqueness" of uniques.  (I tried (u)sing the DS in my game)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on April 29, 2013, 05:31
Hey Klear, Skarczew, start up an AAo666 game quick!  The RNG has declared it Dragonslayer day!  :D
Haha, nice!

There is one problem though: I cannot imagine not going for YAAM!
And it would take months to finish game the way I usually play ("lemme think... oh phone... now I can get back to it, where I was... oh, I have to finish sth first... alright, I think I am able to play doomrl now...).

;)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on April 29, 2013, 05:38
I... I think I'm gonna start an Ao100 game at least. I once made a very rough (and maybe quite wrong) estimate that there's a 1 in 6 chance to find a DS on Ao100, so I'll give it a try. I'm not playing Ao666 until Centurial Angelic Badge seems to be the easiest achievable badge for me.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 29, 2013, 10:26
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(response to spoiler tagged information above)

Oh well, if it's as good as you say, it's worth trying next time, especially if I'm not 25 yet... though I have not the slightest clue how to go about picking up. You asked if spoilers bothered me... no. I'm the guy who read all the ADOM guides possible trying to figure out how to get the cool hidden stuff there. I don't want a challenge, I just want to be godlike. That's probably why I was enjoying my existing build so much - nothing could kill me, short of my own massive stupidity, which is why I now have a chance to start over and grab a medal of prejudice this time.

If it's not considered too spoily, can someone who has picked it up at least indicate whether the conditions are something anyone can fulfill on any floor, or if they're such that if the right random circumstances aren't present(say, It involves a phase device or some such, and you're not carrying one, and there's not one on the level) you simply won't be able to achieve it?

One further question related to the forums: how do I elaborate on the text within tags like spoiler or hyperlink? I took a web design class ages ago, and can no longer remember how to include any additional text in there.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: IronBeer on April 29, 2013, 12:24
If it's not considered too spoily, can someone who has picked it up at least indicate whether the conditions are something anyone can fulfill on any floor, or if they're such that if the right random circumstances aren't present(say, It involves a phase device or some such, and you're not carrying one, and there's not one on the level) you simply won't be able to achieve it?
You can meet the "primary" criteria with any character. However, the "secondary" condition(s) have shifted a bit from version to version, so you may need to hold on to a particular item, or have some RNG co-operation.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 29, 2013, 12:39
If it's not considered too spoily, can someone who has picked it up at least indicate whether the conditions are something anyone can fulfill on any floor...

That's what people keep telling me...  It's supposed to be doable in any game with any build, but that makes it even more confusing to me, because there aren't that many different things you can do in the game!  :|

...so you may need to hold on to a particular item, or have some RNG co-operation.

Seriously?  So, I may be wasting my time trying to pick it up now?  :(  (I still have the game on my screen, trying to figure it out, also flipping through the Berserk Manga online in case it has clues to help me)

One further question related to the forums: how do I elaborate on the text within tags like spoiler or hyperlink? I took a web design class ages ago, and can no longer remember how to include any additional text in there.

You use the spoiler tag like you did above except that you make it say "spoiler=text" where "text" is what you want it to say.

Spoiler: like this. (click to show/hide)

To put a hyperlink in text you similarly say "URL=text" in the same way.

like this. (http://xkcd.com/109/)

You can push the "Quote" button on my post to see how I did it.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 29, 2013, 14:23
Thanks - I should have just thought of quoting it in the first place, lol.

In light of the RNG intervention and holding a particular item comments, I'm wondering if maybe it's
Spoiler: this. (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on April 29, 2013, 14:38
VAGUE MODE: ACTIVATED

There are certain things you can do beforehand to make it much easier to fulfill the requirements, if you don't want to rely on luck.

VAGUE MODE: DEACTIVATED

I don't think it's terribly spoilerish since this information is available in some mortems on the forum, but spoilered anyways:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 29, 2013, 15:21
Your VAGUE MODE statement assumes one knows what the requirements are beforehand... without knowing, it's impossible to take such steps.

Also, by much easier, do you mean much more likely to be possible, or possible regardless, but somehow less difficult in terms of playing skill?

The last bit of your post makes me sad for this run, but ultimately it will be easier without that condition, I suppose.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 29, 2013, 15:29
Aw, hell, that seems to suggest that there is something I should have done ahead of time that I may not have done...  Basically, I have no way of knowing whether or not I'm wasting my time here.  I think I'm gonna give up again this time around and try this again another day.  :|
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 29, 2013, 15:34
Yeah, that's why I find this whole taboo thing so ridiculous. I don't care about figuring it out myself. I care about picking up the goddamn Dragonslayer.

I do understand why some people would want to figure it out on their own, and don't want it spoiled... but as far as I'm concerned, someone could PM me how to do it and I'd be just fine.

On a (presumably) related note, is there some special combo involving the Berserker armor and Dragonslayer? Cause right now I'm considering finishing off my cybernano armor and forgetting about Bereserker, since its stats look awful... 0 armor, no high resistances, ridiculously slow, and permacursed.

Edit @ below: That wasn't my point at all. I'd like to pick it up... if I ever find it again. I just don't feel like stressing about it for hours, leaving the game running, trying all sorts of ridiculous things that probably aren't even close to what's actually required, and otherwise hating life, like so many people seem to be doing because of it =P
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on April 29, 2013, 15:37
If you don't care about figuring it out yourself, just give up picking it up. It's no big deal.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: SageAcrin on April 29, 2013, 15:57
Quote
On a (presumably) related note, is there some special combo involving the Berserker armor and Dragonslayer? Cause right now I'm considering finishing off my cybernano armor and forgetting about Bereserker, since its stats look awful... 0 armor, no high resistances, ridiculously slow, and permacursed.

I have a vague idea from mortems, but I haven't confirmed it. (This isn't really spoilers, just go look at some mortems that have both equipped, and you'll probably guess what I mean.)

If I'm correct, from a strict gameplay standpoint, you're better off with the Cybernano.

(You can also use mortems for an idea on how to pick up Dragonslayer-it's how I got part of the patchwork theory I used to pick it up. The other part I may never have guessed, though...if it's even just one part. I need another one so I can experiment more; I've picked it up but I don't know exactly how, so listening to me might be a trap, even. :) )
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 29, 2013, 16:11
I do understand why some people would want to figure it out on their own, and don't want it spoiled... but as far as I'm concerned, someone could PM me how to do it and I'd be just fine.

I actually have had a number of people PMing me, offering clues and answers and so far, I've turned them down.  It feels like it would defeat the purpose of figuring it out if someone tells me how to do it; I wouldn't feel like I achieved anything.

But then again, as you said...

...I just don't feel like stressing about it for hours, leaving the game running, trying all sorts of ridiculous things that probably aren't even close to what's actually required, and otherwise hating life, like so many people seem to be doing because of it =P

This.  If I don't figure it out, what's the point of stressing over it?  Maybe I should just accept the hints people are offering me.  :S
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 29, 2013, 17:08
...If I'm correct, from a strict gameplay standpoint, you're better off with the Cybernano.

Thanks, got it now, and it has space for an extra P mod... I wonder if I should have waited for some Gothic armor, just to make it as ridiculously strong as possible.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on April 29, 2013, 17:13
/me watches this thread with great intent
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on April 29, 2013, 22:56
Uh oh...  Thelaptop hasn't nerfed anything in the last five minutes...  Everybody duck!  D:
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on April 30, 2013, 13:51
Found it again... not the slightest clue how to pick it up, though.


Here it is again *sigh* spoiler updated... still no luck.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Kolosus on May 01, 2013, 12:59
It's not overly complex to pick it up unless it has changed since the last version. Don't overthink it.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 01, 2013, 13:06
Uh oh...  Thelaptop hasn't nerfed anything in the last five minutes...  Everybody duck!  D:
Don't worry.  I have maliciously changed something in the source code that you will probably see in the next release.

Heck, I might even change more.

/me grins evilly
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on May 01, 2013, 14:57
Heck, I might even change more.
Bragging, bragging...

Fix bugs instead, will ya?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 01, 2013, 16:24
It's not overly complex to pick it up unless it has changed since the last version. Don't overthink it.

I can only do things that occur to me =P if it was simple... well, pressing "g" and "u" have already occurred to me =P

While I suppose it's reassuring to know it's not overly complicated, that still doesn't solve the problem of picking it up. The only thing I can think of now is that it might require a higher difficulty setting then what I play on.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 02, 2013, 07:35
I've played a game of Ao100 yesterday... pretty fun, but no luck with the DS. I guess RNG is not feeling generous anymore.

I think I'll try it on n! again... some time ago I was on the right track a couple of times, so maybe I'll finally be able to pull it off...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 02, 2013, 09:17
Fix bugs instead, will ya?
Hey, I'm the typo guy, and I am doing that diligently!

>.<
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sambojin on May 02, 2013, 09:28
Just as a thought. Any character can pick up DS. But there is at least one stipulation, maybe many.

What do you do in Hell's Arena, and what do you fight for?

That may give you a chance to fight a smaller boss in the grand scheme of things, but do you have to? Who's arena is it, and why do you destroy this small beast?

Perhaps your rewards will allow you to blow away any wall, in anger or not. Only to gain greater destruction from it. Are those on the other side of the wall barricading themselves in, or you out, or simply a last vestige of those strong enough to fight hell? Is the wall against you, or against those you fight as well?

Are you, by fighting tournaments, killing grand champions, destroying ursurpers and raiding the riches of hell with your artifacts and weaponry simply playing a part in the mastermind's plan?

Only a champion that can sacrifice himself for his cause can wield the dragon-slayer. There is no reward but death............
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 02, 2013, 09:47
Only a champion that can sacrifice himself for his cause can wield the dragon-slayer. There is no reward but death............
Heheheheheheh...

/me chuckles
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 02, 2013, 10:26
Just as a thought. Any character can pick up DS. But there is at least one stipulation, maybe many.

What do you do in Hell's Arena, and what do you fight for?

That may give you a chance to fight a smaller boss in the grand scheme of things, but do you have to? Who's arena is it, and why do you destroy this small beast?

Perhaps your rewards will allow you to blow away any wall, in anger or not. Only to gain greater destruction from it. Are those on the other side of the wall barricading themselves in, or you out, or simply a last vestige of those strong enough to fight hell? Is the wall against you, or against those you fight as well?

Are you, by fighting tournaments, killing grand champions, destroying ursurpers and raiding the riches of hell with your artifacts and weaponry simply playing a part in the mastermind's plan?

Only a champion that can sacrifice himself for his cause can wield the dragon-slayer. There is no reward but death............

Implication being DS is tied to the Arena/Court/Vault storyline? If so, that would explain why I was unable to lift it in AAo666...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on May 02, 2013, 11:06
Implication being DS is tied to the Arena/Court/Vault storyline? If so, that would explain why I was unable to lift it in AAo666...
Not really, you can wield it during Ao100 as well:
http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6244.msg54198.html
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on May 02, 2013, 11:43
@Sambojin, huh?  Is this a clue?  Or a reference to something I don't get?  Am I overthinking this?  :P
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sambojin on May 02, 2013, 16:19
Actually, it was theory and conjecture at 2:30am and drunk, the exact time when some things become very clear (often in a very fuzzy, hazy way).

I've never actually wielded DS so I don't know. I thought it may have to do with my last post and with a mix-and-mash of the struggle against hell (don't dance to hell's tune, ever), Berserk! (DS and never giving that last part of yourself away, no matter the rewards), and Poland's part in the east vs west conflict (well, everyone vs the USSR, except nobody but Poland did anything and then they got labelled poorly for it).

Yes, I was exactly that drunk. No, I have no idea what side I ended up thinking the daemons behind the wall were on, but only that they're not really any danger to you. It's you that is stealing their backpack.

Although, thinking about Berserk! (I'm vaguely familiar with the story) and thelaptop's ominous chuckle, has anyone tried dying on the square that DS is on? With nothing wielded? Didn't something vaguely similar happen in the story? ("Ouch! I've got nothing. Now I'm dead. Now I'm in hell. Now I'm pissed off. Now I've got a great big sword. Now I'm going to kick hell's arse." Very basic plot synopsis?)
 
Some combo off any of my now hungover rambling might work. I'll try them all out, possibly at once. I think I might be onto something here.

Ps. I'm terribly sorry if my theories get you killed. I'm trying to make them obtuse, just in case I'm right. I'll post a screenshot if I pick it up, but not how I picked the blasted thing up.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Kristopher on May 02, 2013, 21:45
Didn't something vaguely similar happen in the story? ("Ouch! I've got nothing. Now I'm dead. Now I'm in hell. Now I'm pissed off. Now I've got a great big sword. Now I'm going to kick hell's arse." Very basic plot synopsis?)

Not really, no, but I was thinking about the same thing (dying on the tile) earlier; it's just that there's not an especially great number of ways to do that after you've already cleared a level (unless there's barrels you can push to it nearby). After all, using the rocket launcher to kill yourself can't be a requirement since people have done it on Angel of <weapon restricting> challenge.

Really, I must just be unlucky since I haven't seen it in...geeze, a few versions now, probably. That's despite playing a bunch of standard games and several Ao100 runs. I wish I knew how to pick it up, but even if I did, I'd probably never find it again. Just my kind of luck. =P
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on May 02, 2013, 22:45
Although, thinking about Berserk! (I'm vaguely familiar with the story) and thelaptop's ominous chuckle, has anyone tried dying on the square that DS is on? With nothing wielded? Didn't something vaguely similar happen in the story? ("Ouch! I've got nothing. Now I'm dead. Now I'm in hell. Now I'm pissed off. Now I've got a great big sword. Now I'm going to kick hell's arse." Very basic plot synopsis?)
 

I seriously doubt that's it because it's possible to get a guaranteed DS in UC and other people have successfully picked that one up.  The guaranteed DS appears in the same spot the Longinus Spear would.  (I know because I got it to generate once)  At that point, there are no enemies or even any walls, so nothing to use to kill yourself on the DS square.

It's funny that you mention that, though, because I was just thinking the other day that it would make for a very clever and incredibly cruel requirement that the player Shift-Q quits while standing on it...  no one would ever dare try it.  :)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 02, 2013, 22:46
... a very clever and incredibly cruel requirement that the player Shift-Q quits while standing on it...
Now that's a thought!
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 03, 2013, 02:11
It's funny that you mention that, though, because I was just thinking the other day that it would make for a very clever and incredibly cruel requirement that the player Shift-Q quits while standing on it...  no one would ever dare try it.  :)

That's actually currently my only theory... and damn this thread, I don't want to read any more speculation. I'll have to stay clear of it.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Zalminen on May 03, 2013, 04:09
I've seen DS only once. And that was before I even knew there's some trick to picking it up.
I saw the DS, couldn't pick it up and assumed I didn't have the correct traits and moved on. And only went to check the wiki after I'd finished the game.

Had I known DS was special, I'd have spent a lot more time trying to wield it...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on May 03, 2013, 10:28
Now that's a thought!
I agree, this is a great idea.

But please, fix other bugs first, as changing reqs is only a cherry on a cake :) .
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 03, 2013, 10:46
Sure, make it Shift-Q... that one I can do.

Whatever it is currently is so bizarre and esoteric that it hasn't even occurred to me, or it's something I've been incapable of doing due to lacking traits/items/level features/etc.

Unless it already is Shift-Q... can't say I tried that, though. Maybe next time.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 03, 2013, 11:13
But please, fix other bugs first, as changing reqs is only a cherry on a cake :) .

Which part of "I fix the typos" do you not understand?  I have been doing that diligently.  I am not about to stomp through the Lua and Pascal sources as KK does his thing -- I don't have that amount of time to keep up with the changes in underlying architecture.

If this is an attempt to rile me up and make me angry, be forewarned that it is working.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 03, 2013, 11:41
Jimmy status: Rustled.

I think he was only kidding though, not actually criticizing you.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on May 03, 2013, 13:14
So no for SHIFT+Q for DS pickup? :'(
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on May 03, 2013, 13:40
*Ahem*  I want to tread delicately here...  Without wishing to make anyone angry or speak for anyone here, I think Skarczew was directing his comment at the whole Devteam, not just you personally, Thelaptop.  He's not saying that you need to personally fix all the bugs, just saying that that's what needs to be the priority for the Devteam as a whole.  I think this is a reasonable request.  Do you disagree?  (Not trying to rile anyone; just trying to clarify intentions!)  :)  <--  look at the calming smiley face!

The Devteam is doing a good job and has made a terrific game that deserves to be commended.  Again, I don't want to anger anyone and I don't want to undermine the great work they have made on the game, but I think it is also worth noting that the previous version was released with a number of major bugs (Fireangel, Destroyer Diamond, etc.) and this version was very nearly released with a major bug that would have denied people a lot of badges that I thankfully caught at the last minute.  This bug came about because of an emphasis on adding new features over cleaning up existing problems.  This is not to say that the Devteam never fixes bugs; I'm just saying that Skarczew has a legitimate complaint.

I hope noone is angry about this post, but just in case, this should calm anyone down!  :D (http://cute-overload.blogspot.ca/2011/09/can-you-handle-baby-otter-playing-with.html)

EDIT:  Ooh!  666th post!  Ominous!  :o
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sambojin on May 03, 2013, 16:36
Hey, I like the bugs. Some them anyway. Quite a few of them get promoted into core gameplay features, or just nice little quirks that makes DoomRL what it is. Considering I haven't seen a typo in a while (and I don't really proof-read roguelikes), you're doing a fine job thelaptop.

Anyway, I'm going for a "deals with the AM, no rockets and shift-Q'ing it" for my theory. Maybe not slaughtering out the wall as well. I tend to see the DS and BA a fair bit for some reason (about 10-20 times each since 0.9.9.1, which is a lot considering I don't really play much). Still haven't picked it up though.

Reasons for theory:
Berskerk!'s story (I really must re-read it), Dragonslayer being a type of multiple-rocket artillery as well as a big sword (you can have one and not the other) and the aforementioned sacrifice posts (I still don't know if the daemons behind the wall are allegorically Polish or commies. Maybe neither). Now I'll probably never see it again for a few versions.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on May 03, 2013, 22:36
damn... No, no Shift-Q.

All clues in game. Yes, I know now. I even try the both conditions, one of first thing that come to mind. But must satisfy 2 together.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

health may be any. 2%, 100%, 200%. Do not kill himself for that.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: IronBeer on May 03, 2013, 23:40
[Stuff under the spoiler]
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(It's a safe spoiler, guys. It should be sufficiently cryptic.)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 04, 2013, 02:12
Could you maybe stop posting the stuff that isn't working? I'd rather give it a fair shot without any hints.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: skarczew on May 04, 2013, 06:30
Reasons for theory:
Berskerk!'s story (I really must re-read it), Dragonslayer being a type of multiple-rocket artillery as well as a big sword (you can have one and not the other) and the aforementioned sacrifice posts (I still don't know if the daemons behind the wall are allegorically Polish or commies. Maybe neither). Now I'll probably never see it again for a few versions.
I may have not read all the Berserk volumes, but I have read enough of them to say that DS is not a multiple-rocket artillery...

The Devteam is doing a good job and has made a terrific game that deserves to be commended.  Again, I don't want to anger anyone and I don't want to undermine the great work they have made on the game, but I think it is also worth noting that the previous version was released with a number of major bugs (Fireangel, Destroyer Diamond, etc.) and this version was very nearly released with a major bug that would have denied people a lot of badges that I thankfully caught at the last minute.  This bug came about because of an emphasis on adding new features over cleaning up existing problems.  This is not to say that the Devteam never fixes bugs; I'm just saying that Skarczew has a legitimate complaint.

I hope noone is angry about this post, but just in case, this should calm anyone down!  :D (http://cute-overload.blogspot.ca/2011/09/can-you-handle-baby-otter-playing-with.html)

EDIT:  Ooh!  666th post!  Ominous!  :o
Thanks, that is exactly what I am thinking (and sometimes I have problems formulating my feelings).

Btw, nice kittens! =)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 04, 2013, 08:19
Could you maybe stop posting the stuff that isn't working? I'd rather give it a fair shot without any hints.

That's why it's all spoiler tagged ;)

@Equality:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 04, 2013, 09:11
Not everything. That's why I said that.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: scotherns on May 07, 2013, 01:29
I just picked up the Dragonslayer for the first time ever (3rd time I'd seen it). When I entered the level I got 'This will be a mess, Khe he he' AND 'You hear the sound of Hellish Mortars' AND 'There is something really valuable here'. With all the barrels and explosions, I was tempted to just leave as soon as found the stairs - until I saw what was lying on the ground.

I also have Berserker Armor from about 10 levels earlier :-)

Kinda ruined my Ao100 MSc build-all-the-assemblies run I was in the middle of, but I don't care!
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 07, 2013, 19:23
Time for more vague hints. Spoilered for the people who care.

Spoiler: "Hint 1" (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: "Hint 2" (click to show/hide)


Spoiler: "How I know" (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 07, 2013, 21:20
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 07, 2013, 22:14
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on May 07, 2013, 22:53
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 07, 2013, 23:07
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ohoho, the requirement is stricter than I realized.  I feel rather foolish now.

So I guess it actually is possible screw yourself out of being able to pick it up, now that I think about it.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on May 08, 2013, 00:24
Well, I think that mystery about DS is ... contrived?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 08, 2013, 04:02
This discussion has gone on enough.  No more.

I warned you all that I'm monitoring this.

Edit: Upon conferring with Kornel, we will be unlocking this.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Kornel Kisielewicz on May 08, 2013, 12:48
Ok, this is seriously a joke that went too far - I've seen people raging about the DS/BA no-spoiler ChaosForge rule on other forums :).

Hence, let's just agree that the topic of the DS/BA should not appear on the official Wiki, and if being discussed on the forums, please use spoiler tags.

Have fun, and do not rage! (at least not until wielding the Dragonslayer!)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 08, 2013, 12:51
Also, to be clear, I am merely an enforcer -- I enforce the Will of the God Hand.

No hard feelings to everyone involved.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 08, 2013, 14:21
Were some posts deleted, or did I do something bad?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 08, 2013, 15:25
If it helps, I'm not any closer to understanding the mystery then I was before all the "spoilers" posted thus far. I'm sure that, from the perspective of someone who does know how these items work, all the hints that have been given so far seem too helpful, and you might worry that no one could possibly not figure it out after reading them.

I assure you, from this side, it's still vague as all hell.

Keeping it in spoiler tags is completely understandable, of course - I realize there are some people out there who take a certain pride in figuring it out for themselves, and it would be a shame if they were to have it accidentally revealed by browsing through a thread.

As for me, though, I'm still without a clue.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: tdef on May 09, 2013, 01:17
based on the hints given in previous posts
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 09, 2013, 08:09
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 09, 2013, 08:48
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Rajhin on May 09, 2013, 10:01
Well, another DS-wielder here. I needed it for tech diamond so I took it.
OK, i will keep this "secret", but... let's just say this "secret" is hilarious and dissapointing. The only thing i'll say that this thread is a big overthinking.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 09, 2013, 10:05
Well, another DS-wielder here. I needed it for tech diamond so I took it.
OK, i will keep this "secret", but... let's just say this "secret" is hilarious and dissapointing. The only thing i'll say that this thread is a big overthinking.

Well, when trying basic, simple things doesn't work, you tend to start thinking the solution is more complex. If it were really as simple as pressing "g" or "u", we'd all have it already. I will never be disappointed if I manage to pick it up - whatever the method is, it's too complicated for me.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 09, 2013, 10:14
So do you want me to PM you the secret?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Rajhin on May 09, 2013, 10:16
So do you want me to PM you the secret?
I thought you already knew it.
Well, when trying basic, simple things doesn't work, you tend to start thinking the solution is more complex. If it were really as simple as pressing "g" or "u", we'd all have it already. I will never be disappointed if I manage to pick it up - whatever the method is, it's too complicated for me.
It really IS that basic and simple. There is nothing illogical or overcomplicated.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 09, 2013, 10:18
I thought you already knew it.

I guess I didn't communicate well.  I know it and I was offering to let Sereg in on the secret.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 09, 2013, 10:34
I'm not sure that's allowed. I'm curious, but not that curious... yet. I appreciate the offer - suffice it to say I'm not one of those people who needs to figure it out themselves to have a sense of accomplishment about it, so I wouldn't be averse to learning the information that way. It's just that there seems to be such a contrived aura of secrecy around this item that I'm not sure the community as a whole would appreciate me finding out that way.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 09, 2013, 13:37
I don't know about you, but have you noticed a pattern in 2Dev's mortems concerning the dragonslayer?

1. He doesn't seem to complete every special level, or even enter them all.
2. He doesn't complete The Wall (he can enter it, but he can't kill anything/didn't kill anything)
3. Notice that he always does Blademaster builds
4. I don't know if this is required to get the DS, but he always has antigrav plasteel boots, A modded
5. He never gets the Berserker armor to drop on a "regular" floor, only in The Mortuary
6. Does not have to be damageless, nor does it have to be 100% kills
7. 2Dev seems to do only melee after the UC. The DS drops on UC instead of Azarel's Sycthe.

How does the evidence add up to gaining the DS/Berserker Armor on predetermined levels? 2Dev, you are a god.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 09, 2013, 13:47
1. The 2Dev mortems I've seen are all Nightmare Conqueror Full Wins, so the fact that he skips Conqueror could very well be relevant.
2. This seems odd to me. Perhaps there's a reason for it, but I can't think of what it might be.
3. This could be because he uses the timestop effect as his damageless strategy. Or it could also be related to a melee component of the requirements.
4. I assume that's also part of his damage minimization strategy - when playing a melee focused build, getting to your enemies before they can shoot you is very useful.
5/7. It would appear they replace the guaranteed yellows from those levels when certain conditions are met, similar to how Azrael's Scythe replaces Longinus when HMP/100% kills is true.
6.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 09, 2013, 14:10
I also thought it was Nightmare mode, but I got the DS to spawn on some level while playing HNTR, and the Berserker armor spawned in the Lava Pits.

I know that there is a specific way to get the DS. However, here's what screws me over: don't you have to get the Berserker Armor FIRST and then you can pick up the DS? So why can 2Dev pick up the DS on UC and then get the Berserker Armor on the Mortuary, which comes afterward?

Also, attempting to pick something up counts as finding the item. If you don't attempt to pick up the DS, it can spawn again later that run.

The other screwy thing is how fast 2Dev does his runs. If I was on Nightmare!, I'd take my sweet time, figuring out how to do each move carefully. How can he manage a game that fast and get something so specialized?

Also, Tormouse got the Berserker Armor to spawn in the Mortuary, but he didn't get the DS in the UC. This shows that the Berserker Armor isn't completely connected to the spawning of the DS. Tormouse did a N! run on AoMc, not quite damageless, but he only got 56 points of damage. He also took a day to finish the run, so speed isn't necessary to spawn at least the Berserker Armor. He also did a Cateye build, so this could be why he didn't get the DS, if its spawning is related to your build at all. But Tormouse also entered and completed the Wall. So, if the Wall does correlate to the spawning of the DS, he may have blown it right there.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on May 09, 2013, 15:46
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: AlterAsc on May 09, 2013, 15:54
Me and my friend speculated that you need to do damageless arena on N! and several more specials levels damageless too. Not sure if there's damage taken threshold for normal levels though.

The problem about all these 'simple' solutions is that different people think of different things first when they hear 'simple'. God knows how frustrating it can be when you need to figure something 'obvious'.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Fanta Hege on May 09, 2013, 16:25
I'm gona spoiler my theory about the quarenteed DS spawn:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm almost tempted to go test if I can get it to spawn but I really lack patience for low damage N! runs.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 09, 2013, 18:06
And so it begins... The forced spawn hypothesizing.  This one I actually only know because of looking at the source code.

Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 09, 2013, 18:12
Lol. It's probably just there so 2Dev can have guaranteed DS/BA. Looking at his runs, and considering the possible conditions from that perspective... it doesn't seem like something a lot of people are likely to manage.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 10, 2013, 13:32
Not quite, I don't think it has to be N!.

What I have figured out is there is a major misconception about the Berserker Armor and the DS: you actually have to pick UP the DS in order to wear the Berserker Armor.

So, you are able to pick up the DS FIRST, but not USE it until you get the Berserker Armor to drop?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Rajhin on May 10, 2013, 14:48
Not quite, I don't think it has to be N!.

What I have figured out is there is a major misconception about the Berserker Armor and the DS: you actually have to pick UP the DS in order to wear the Berserker Armor.

So, you are able to pick up the DS FIRST, but not USE it until you get the Berserker Armor to drop?
It HAS to be N! to spawn DS/BA on scripted places (but they can also be spawned by random as any other unique).  You ARE able to use  DS without BA. Actually you are unable to use something else because DS goes into you hand on pick up and cannot be swapped (but you can pick something in offhand with "u" - that should be handy for MMK making it really badass). You must have DS to wear BA (but it is kinda crappy armour, i suggest wearing it only for final fight).
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 10, 2013, 14:58
So here's what I can gather:

1. A full on Conqueror run will NOT get you the DS or the BA.
2. It HAS to be Nightmare! (of course, why would it be on UV?)
3. You IMMEDIATELY equip the DS on pickup from the UC
4. You get the BA on The Mortuary (possibly also Limbo?)
5. The DS only gains full strength (9d9) when used with the BA.

I guess I could use Tourist Mod to test some stuff out here.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 10, 2013, 15:06
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's still one thing I'm curious about though... What happens if you already got the DS and/or BA to randomly spawn and then trigger the forced spawns?  Will you get duplicated uniques?  Crashes?

Also...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 10, 2013, 15:27

It's too heavy! No human could ever wield this thing... There is a             
 Dragonslayer (9d9) lying here.                                                 
                                                                               
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  Patrick                    Armor : Tourist suit [10/10] (100%) (P)           
  Health: 174% Exp: 18/4%    Weapon: Cosmo blaster (5d6) [100/100]             
  cautious                                                    Unholy Cathedral 

Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Kristopher on May 10, 2013, 16:56
Man, at least everyone else can find the stupid thing. =P
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 10, 2013, 17:53
         
  Patrick                    Armor : Tourist suit [10/10] (100%) (P)           
  Health: 174% Exp: 18/4%    Weapon: Cosmo blaster (5d6) [100/100]             
  cautious                                                    Unholy Cathedral 


This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think. In any case, I've never found a Tourist suit in DoomRL ;)

If it helps, my only DS finds occurred on AAo666 games.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Kristopher on May 10, 2013, 18:59
This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think. In any case, I've never found a Tourist suit in DoomRL ;)

If it helps, my only DS finds occurred on AAo666 games.

I saw the tourist suit, but somehow passed up on the UC part. Whoopsie.

And yeah, maybe I'll have to try that sometime, but AAo666 really does just sound like a complete and utter grind. I've done more than a few Ao100 games, but I haven't found it on them (surprisingly), and even those feel kinda grindy if I don't play Scout and start rushing to the stairs after a certain level.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: shark20061 on May 10, 2013, 22:43
There's still one thing I'm curious about though... What happens if you already got the DS and/or BA to randomly spawn and then trigger the forced spawns?  Will you get duplicated uniques?  Crashes?
It's extremely unlikely but it looks like it's possible to have a randomly spawned DS and then trigger the guaranteed one.  For the DS, you won't be able to pick it up.  It's slightly more likely with the BA, and you can pick up the second BA, but it's pointless if you already have one.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on May 11, 2013, 01:25
@GinDiamond:

yes, but it not intended. At least by me. When I make debug module I think that no DS at custom mods. But it spawns... :) surprise
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Fanta Hege on May 11, 2013, 07:00
This was a mod - he fulfilled the UC generation conditions and forced it to spawn, I think

Well I just did the same thing and was able to pin point it out.
it really is some serious level of difficulty to make it spawn but not exactly 2dev level.

Well no need to worry about that anymore
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 11, 2013, 19:12
No, the mod does NOT force the DS to drop. The game dropped it normally  by following the rules of the npc. I actually did a run of the tourist mod before I took that snapshot and did NOT get the DS/BA, only Azarel's Sythe and the Angelic armor as usual.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: aka_Cthulhu on May 12, 2013, 02:14
By far the stupidest idea I had in trying to lift the DS up was checking to see that if I happened to die, while berserk, while standing on the damn thing, unarmed, in the hopes that the dang sword would happen to save my life. Needless to say, all that effort climbing down Ao100 went to waste. A tiny voice in my head, which was probably the voice of reason, went "well, should've seen that one coming"...

The thing taunts me so many times in Ao100 and 666. I figured that at least at 666 levels I'd get a chance to get both that and the armor. No dice. Just one of them, and a lot of uniques. With my successful run, my whole inventory was a cart full of uniques, since I went with OP gear that's more practical and boring and effective, with no need to hang on to more than two medpacks.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 12, 2013, 06:42
I actually think I have a theory that might work to pick up the DS/BA. It really isn't that hard to wrap your mind around, actually.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: siwucha on May 12, 2013, 08:54
Finally found Dragonslayer + Berserk Armor in my Ao666 Blademaster run. I also read quite a bit of the Berserk! manga
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So now - troll mode on:

It sucks! - Here's why:
 - It turns the game into black and red mode. "What is that mod pack there?" Go and [l]ook!
 - "Let's blast this wall with the rocket launcher - doh, it's cursed!"
 - The ripper does more dps on average (If you are already berserk).
 - Unless you are surrounded by cyberdemons, there is no reason to ever use whirlwind.

That was for the dragonslayer, the berserk armor is worse, because of the crazy movespeed malus (-70%). Before wearing it I could basically kill everything before it had a chance to move (Antigrav boots (x2.5) + HR3 (x1.8)  + scout berserk (x1.6) = 2.5x1.8x1.6 ~= 7x basic movement speed, Berserker Armor (x1/1.7) cuts it down to ~4x basic movement speed). If you find it, consider staying with another armor for a while. Even a PTA modded blue or red armor is better.

3rd Edit: Corrected info on movement speed. Berserk gives 50% Bonus which is added to the 10% scout bonus (not multiplied) for a total of 1.6. The berserker armor malus was calculated wrongly.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Evilpotatoe on May 12, 2013, 09:52
Your post would take benefit of some spoiler tags.
I don't care much about being spoiled personally, but we should respect the (stupid :o)) sercrecy surrounding DS.

Also, I agree with the red screen, but it's not DS specific... if, like me, you hate red screen, just avoid playing melee.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on May 12, 2013, 09:53
@siwucha

Agree by all points. The best if you have a Butchers Cleaver and you are technician with MMB trait. And do not wear BA even if you find it. Best if A- or P- modded cerberus onyx armor - you gain 95% resist to everything. Of course,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

in other cases, DS only a thing for get some badges, but not a really good weapon. Because red screen, cursed, and not too good by damage. Some modded or assembled and modded weapon have better dps.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Melon on May 12, 2013, 12:24
This really has gotten out of control. Ah, I still remember the days when we were trolling everyone that Megaspheres exist...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 13, 2013, 18:24
Okay. Here's a summary of what we know:

* How to DROP the DS/BA every time

and here's what we DON'T know:

* How to pick up the DS every time
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Fanta Hege on May 14, 2013, 07:18
This really has gotten out of control. Ah, I still remember the days when we were trolling everyone that Megaspheres exist...

i heard if you defeat mortuary without damage you'll see a megasphere spawn
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Melon on May 16, 2013, 07:13
i heard if you defeat mortuary without damage you'll see a megasphere spawn

I also heard this, but you have to do this on UV at least, with knife or bar knuckles
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Tormuse on May 16, 2013, 12:51
I've cleared Mortuary without taking damage before and didn't get a Megasphere.  I have to admit I've never done it with my fists, though.  :)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 16, 2013, 18:04
I know there's something missing here that I can't figure out, and it shouldn't be that hard.

How to pick up the DS? All we need to know is how to pick up the DS, the Berserker Armor will fall into place after that.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Melon on May 18, 2013, 03:44
I've cleared Mortuary without taking damage before and didn't get a Megasphere.  I have to admit I've never done it with my fists, though.  :)

That doesn't gurantee you will get a megasphere. It only increases you chance to get one.

Also there is a rumor that if you defeat the Hell Gate without any damage on UV at least, a partial-invisibility power up might appear on next level (I think it's a temporary powerup)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 18, 2013, 07:05
That doesn't gurantee you will get a megasphere. It only increases you chance to get one.

Also there is a rumor that if you defeat the Hell Gate without any damage on UV at least, a partial-invisibility power up might appear on next level (I think it's a temporary powerup)

Oh yeah! I got that once, but I died before I could pick it up =/
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 18, 2013, 09:52
Oh yeah! I got that once, but I died before I could pick it up =/

That certainly sounds damageless...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 18, 2013, 10:25
That certainly sounds damageless...

Sucks, right? I cleaned all of anomaly without taking a scratch and then get wasted on Deimos 1... =P
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: GinDiamond on May 18, 2013, 13:18
Can anyone give us a hint on how to pick UP the DS? Is there ALWAYS a way to pick up a DS if you randomly find one without expecting it? (say on an Ao100/AAo666 run)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 18, 2013, 13:45
You should stop obsessing about it and enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on May 18, 2013, 14:14
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: siwucha on May 18, 2013, 14:19
Can anyone give us a hint on how to pick UP the DS? Is there ALWAYS a way to pick up a DS if you randomly find one without expecting it? (say on an Ao100/AAo666 run)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Melon on May 18, 2013, 23:08
Hope this helps!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 19, 2013, 20:03
Hope this helps!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"Never gonna give you up..."
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 20, 2013, 11:01
Donate USD100,000 to Kornel and he will personally write you a letter with a quill and seal it with sealing wax and get it delivered to you by courier on how to pick up the DS on 0.9.9.7.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Klear on May 20, 2013, 11:26
Donate USD100,000 to Kornel and he will personally write you a letter with a quill and seal it with sealing wax and get it delivered to you by courier on how to pick up the DS on 0.9.9.7.

And 0.9.9.8 comes out the next day with the requirements changed.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: thelaptop on May 20, 2013, 16:43
And 0.9.9.8 comes out the next day with the requirements changed.
Goddamnit don't spoil my nerfarious fun!
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 25, 2013, 19:11
Donate USD100,000 to Kornel and he will personally write you a letter with a quill and seal it with sealing wax and get it delivered to you by courier on how to pick up the DS on 0.9.9.7.

*Sereg contemplates starting a fundraiser for USD100k and sending it to Kornel so he can get an Apostle win this game...

DS is now sitting here on floor 254 of my current AAo666 run. Berserker Armor is in my inventory. I've already fucked up YAAM. I have levels in Brute.


Oh Dragonslayer, why do you taunt me?

(http://imageshack.us/a/img534/7323/dragonslayera.png)

Edit: Had to let it go. Too late I became convinced
Gonna hope for a second spawn and try it again with more opportunities to test under those conditions.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Equality on May 26, 2013, 00:27
Quote
burned a few medkits trying to make that happen on the lava without success
you can't get Berserk from lava bath - only 12 dmg not enough for that. Or you need 40 hp max (you must get 25% or more dmg from hp_max at once)
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: shark20061 on May 26, 2013, 06:56
you can't get Berserk from lava bath - only 12 dmg not enough for that. Or you need 40 hp max (you must get 25% or more dmg from hp_max at once)

36 HP max, actually.  You have to take one-third of your max HP to trigger the berserker bonus.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 26, 2013, 09:10
And here I thought it was random. Welp, good to know. Gotta leave stuff alive if I want to explore that possibility. Maybe a Cyberdemon or something, those always seem to set it off despite doing no actual damage.

The Inquisitor's set is a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: White Rider on May 26, 2013, 12:31
/me wonders if this is the trolliest thread here

36 HP max, actually.  You have to take one-third of your max HP to trigger the berserker bonus.

I question that.
The reason is that I've had Berserker, no points into Ironman, taking a missile hit from Revenants that deal no more than 2-4% from my health and I get Berserk'd. 4% of 50 HP is not that much.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: IronBeer on May 26, 2013, 12:53
I think it's 1/3 of MaxHP before any resistances or armor are applied. TaN and the berserk status itself won't affect the injury-based procs, but Ironman will. Also, anytime you get hit and the message "That hurt!" pops up, it means that last hit had a chance at proccing Berserker.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on May 26, 2013, 13:10
I think Iron is correct - for example, mine was proccing on Cyberdemon rockets that did no damage whatsoever in a complex I found. I was Berserk for the next 7 floors.

However, those rockets would have easily done the requisite percentage of my HP as damage without Inquisitor.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: shark20061 on May 26, 2013, 13:11
I think it's 1/3 of MaxHP before any resistances or armor are applied. TaN and the berserk status itself won't affect the injury-based procs, but Ironman will.
Yup.  Also, the berserk resistance bonuses will apply to the damage that procs it.

Also, anytime you get hit and the message "That hurt!" pops up, it means that last hit had a chance at proccing Berserker.
There's no chance to proc -- it's guaranteed provided the attack has enough potential damage.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Trar on June 17, 2013, 14:33
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9066/8m.png)

Found a Berserker Armor on my current run. I'm doing good so far; might as well taunt me with something like this.

Shut up, it's relevant.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Neok on June 24, 2013, 15:33
Thanks to this thread, I've finally figured out the secret. Everyone saying that it's dead simple is, well... not lying at all. It really isn't worth your while to overthink things (though I did really like the idea of dying on top of it and being resurrected with it in hand. Idea for a new super unique?)

That said, back when I was still pondering 'HOW?', I was thinking there might've been clues squirreled away not in Doom RL, but in a certain other project of Kornel's that's up at Chaosforge (aka the one based off where DS is taken from). There aren't any (as far as I know), but hey, if the dev's are feeling particularly evil when they're doing the next build...
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on June 24, 2013, 16:39
[...]if the dev's are feeling particularly evil when they're doing the next build...

They are. Reqs are already changed for the next version. My 998 player profile is going to suck compared to my 997, lol.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: V1cT on June 28, 2013, 14:17
They are. Reqs are already changed for the next version. My 998 player profile is going to suck compared to my 997, lol.

... Why?
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Sereg on June 28, 2013, 14:46
No idea. I asked on the thread where it was mentioned, and received a reply that did not include an answer =P

Edit: Here's the thread, relevant posts near the bottom of the page (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,3999.705.html)

Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: Matt_S on July 01, 2013, 13:18
Hehehe, maybe I'll be the first person to "figure out" the new requirements then.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: aka_Cthulhu on July 05, 2013, 08:10
Finally got it! Still, not even past the 100th floor at Ao666. It's gonna be a looooong game.
Title: Re: Oh dragonslayer why do you taunt me
Post by: OldSpider on July 05, 2013, 16:49
What if you type in ABACABB?