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Requests For Features / Re: Placement of Hell's Arena Entrance
« on: April 21, 2012, 13:21 »
If Hell's Arena is going to be fixed to a dungeon level I'd vote for level 3. Speaking as a fairly new player myself, hell's arena is the place where I first figured out the basics of cornershooting and it's good to let the new player get at least a small trait advantage to help them out as they learn this "advanced" skill. It definitely doesn't need to be a "hard" special level as it is the first one we see in the game. Does it really deserve to be the defining moment of every game of DoomRL? Save the real challenges for later levels. The special levels that the player sees the least often should be the hardest, so that they'll also be the most interesting and memorable - the "climaxes" of the game.
As for the specific case of Angel of Berserk, one little change that would go a long way in making the early game and hell's arena survivable would be to make brute's accuracy bonus also improve the throwing accuracy of combat knives. Right now their accuracy without eagle eye is 50% at point blank and probably 25% at full range. If this was boosted to 91% and 75% by a couple ranks of brute then you could reliably chip away at the health of demons and cacodemons before they reach you and end up saving lots of health in the long run. I don't think this is against the spirit of the challenge as thowing knives are a melee weapon, they have a very limited range and damage potential, and brute already improves the damage of thrown knives anyway.
Another thing that could be clarified is the effect that running has on melee damage. I've often found that I can kill a demon in the same number of turns when I'm running as when I'm not. If melee damage is being penalized in some kind of unintuitive way, why not just remove the penalty entirely?
As for the specific case of Angel of Berserk, one little change that would go a long way in making the early game and hell's arena survivable would be to make brute's accuracy bonus also improve the throwing accuracy of combat knives. Right now their accuracy without eagle eye is 50% at point blank and probably 25% at full range. If this was boosted to 91% and 75% by a couple ranks of brute then you could reliably chip away at the health of demons and cacodemons before they reach you and end up saving lots of health in the long run. I don't think this is against the spirit of the challenge as thowing knives are a melee weapon, they have a very limited range and damage potential, and brute already improves the damage of thrown knives anyway.
Another thing that could be clarified is the effect that running has on melee damage. I've often found that I can kill a demon in the same number of turns when I'm running as when I'm not. If melee damage is being penalized in some kind of unintuitive way, why not just remove the penalty entirely?
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0.9.9.6 / Re: [M|AoB|99%|18|YASD] Knives, knives, kni -
« on: April 21, 2012, 12:39 »
And, the end to this saga:
[M|AoB|96%|YAFW]
This isn't the game that should have won, as nothing really went as well as it did in the two YASD's above. I had to give up on 100% kills when I was forced to chicken out of City of Skulls. I had neither the huge health supply of my first game or the speed advantage of my second (with Butcher's Cleaver). I was hoping to regain that speed advantage by making a ripper but I didn't get the whizkid level or the necessary mods in time (no P mods spawned in the entire game). Even after running to the corner of the level so I couldn't be surrounded, and running in place so a few more lost soul attacks would miss, I just didn't have the supplies to endure. That also led me to abandon my ambition to clear the Mortuary as without any skulls my odds weren't great. I skipped the spider's lair this time as there weren't any lucky invulnerability globes near the entrance, and I finally had to chicken out of the lava pits when I ran out of health there too.
This is my first full win but I'm not counting it. The last level of hell had two nukes and an invulnerability sphere next to the downstairs. Firing off both nukes before the powerup ran out was a no-brainer.
One thing that I've gotten out of these Angel of Berserk games, though, is I'm getting better at taking advantage of everything at my disposal. I never thought I'd throw as many combat knives as I have now, and the arena master's staff is actually pretty handy if you remember to use it.
[M|AoB|96%|YAFW]
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DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Mr. Mind, level 12 Hell Baron 1st Lieutenant Technician,
nuked the Mastermind on level 9 of Hell.
He survived 78697 turns and scored 124460 points.
He played for 2 hours, 11 minutes and 5 seconds.
He didn't like it too rough.
He killed 640 out of 664 hellspawn. (96%)
He held his right to remain violent.
He was an Angel of Berserk!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 11
Levels visited : 8
Levels completed : 6
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Hell Champion Medal
Hell Armorer Badge
Berserker Silver Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 50/50 Experience 60036/12
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +8 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +12
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Technician
Finesse (Level 2)
Hellrunner (Level 2)
Brute (Level 4)
Dodgemaster (Level 1)
Whizkid (Level 2)
Malicious Blades (Level 1)
Bru->Bru->HR->HR->DM->Fin->MMB->WK->WK->Bru->Fin->Bru->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] phaseshift armor [2/2] (93%) (AB)
[b] [ Weapon ] Longinus Spear (8d8)
[c] [ Boots ] tactical boots [0/0] (100%) (A)
[d] [ Prepared ] combat knife (2d5)
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
[b] combat knife (2d5)
[c] chainsaw (5d6) (BT)
[d] small med-pack
[e] small med-pack
[f] large med-pack
[g] phase device
[h] phase device
[i] technical mod pack
[j] technical mod pack
[k] technical mod pack
[l] technical mod pack
[m] agility mod pack
[n] agility mod pack
[o] bulk mod pack
[p] bulk mod pack
[q] plasteel boots [2/2] (81%)
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Bullet - internal 0% torso 80% feet 50%
Melee - internal 0% torso 95% feet 75%
Shrapnel - internal 0% torso 80% feet 50%
Acid - internal 25% torso 25% feet 25%
Fire - internal 25% torso 75% feet 75%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
101 former humans
69 former sergeants
21 former captains
43 imps
50 demons
229 lost souls
28 cacodemons
24 hell knights
18 barons of hell
17 arachnotrons
5 former commandos
10 pain elementals
2 revenants
8 mancubi
7 arch-viles
2 bruiser brothers
1 shambler
1 Angel of Death
1 Cyberdemon
1 Spider Mastermind
1 John Carmack
1 Arena Master
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
He left the Arena as a champion!
On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 4 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
He fled the City in terror!
On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
On level 17 he assembled a tactical boots!
On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
On level 17 he found the Longinus Spear!
He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
On level 18 he entered the Vaults.
He cracked the Vaults and cleared them out!
Level 21 was a hard nut to crack!
On level 22 he entered the Lava Pits.
He decided it was too hot there.
Then at last he found Dis!
He nuked level 24!
He defeated the Mastermind and found the TRUE EVIL!
He nuked level 25!
Then finally in hell itself, he killed the final EVIL.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
This is it. This is the lair of all evil! What will you meet here?
Are you sure you want activate the thermonuclear bomb? [Y/n]
You use a thermonuclear bomb. Warning! Explosion in 10 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 9 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 8 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
Congratulations! You defeated John Carmack! Press <Enter>...
You feel relatively safe now.
There is a Small Health Globe lying here.
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
295 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
285 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
7 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
5 killed the bitch and survived.
1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.
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This isn't the game that should have won, as nothing really went as well as it did in the two YASD's above. I had to give up on 100% kills when I was forced to chicken out of City of Skulls. I had neither the huge health supply of my first game or the speed advantage of my second (with Butcher's Cleaver). I was hoping to regain that speed advantage by making a ripper but I didn't get the whizkid level or the necessary mods in time (no P mods spawned in the entire game). Even after running to the corner of the level so I couldn't be surrounded, and running in place so a few more lost soul attacks would miss, I just didn't have the supplies to endure. That also led me to abandon my ambition to clear the Mortuary as without any skulls my odds weren't great. I skipped the spider's lair this time as there weren't any lucky invulnerability globes near the entrance, and I finally had to chicken out of the lava pits when I ran out of health there too.
This is my first full win but I'm not counting it. The last level of hell had two nukes and an invulnerability sphere next to the downstairs. Firing off both nukes before the powerup ran out was a no-brainer.
One thing that I've gotten out of these Angel of Berserk games, though, is I'm getting better at taking advantage of everything at my disposal. I never thought I'd throw as many combat knives as I have now, and the arena master's staff is actually pretty handy if you remember to use it.
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Century Lounge / Re: [M|A100|87%|YAVP] All hail the Emperor of Man!
« on: April 21, 2012, 09:50 »
I'm hoping to make a cybernano cybernetic armor some day.
How is demolition ammo for actual combat? It'd probably be slightly better if you could use a combat pistol as a base.
How is demolition ammo for actual combat? It'd probably be slightly better if you could use a combat pistol as a base.
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0.9.9.6 / Re: [M|AoB|99%|18|YASD] Knives, knives, kni -
« on: April 20, 2012, 23:20 »
I'll just stick this mortem in this thread because it's basically the same game and ridiculous death all over again. I think the problem is that I'm just not giving acid its proper respect. (Note to self: acid barrels don't do fire damage.) This is an even more tragic loss as I found Butcher's Cleaver honestly just two steps from where I spawned on level 2. That was fun while it lasted.
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DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Wiggum, level 9 Hell Baron 1st Lieutenant Technician,
was bruised by a baron of hell on level 1 of Hell.
He survived 65391 turns and scored 55183 points.
He played for 1 hour, 30 minutes and 31 seconds.
He didn't like it too rough.
He killed 467 out of 470 hellspawn. (99%)
He was a real killing machine...
He was an Angel of Berserk!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 11
Levels visited : 6
Levels completed : 6
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Hell Champion Medal
Hell Armorer Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 0/50 Experience 35860/9
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +4 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +6
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Technician
Finesse (Level 1)
Hellrunner (Level 2)
Brute (Level 2)
Dodgemaster (Level 1)
Whizkid (Level 2)
Malicious Blades (Level 1)
Bru->Bru->HR->HR->DM->Fin->MMB->WK->WK->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] tactical armor [0/0] (33%) (A)
[b] [ Weapon ] Butcher's Cleaver (5d6)
[c] [ Boots ] tactical boots [0/0] (100%) (A)
[d] [ Prepared ] piercing combat knife (4d6) (B)
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] nuclear plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [24/24]
[b] blue armor [2/2] (200%) (B)
[c] fireproof red armor [4/4] (181%) (B)
[d] combat knife (2d5)
[e] small med-pack
[f] small med-pack
[g] small med-pack
[h] large med-pack
[i] large med-pack
[j] large med-pack
[k] large med-pack
[l] large med-pack
[m] phase device
[n] homing phase device
[o] homing phase device
[p] envirosuit pack
[q] bulk mod pack
[r] blood skull
[s] fire skull
[t] Arena Master's Staff
[u] plasteel boots [2/2] (100%)
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Bullet - internal 0% torso 50% feet 50%
Melee - internal 0% torso 75% feet 75%
Shrapnel - internal 0% torso 50% feet 50%
Fire - internal 0% torso 50% feet 50%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
82 former humans
42 former sergeants
7 former captains
75 imps
39 demons
150 lost souls
26 cacodemons
12 hell knights
2 barons of hell
13 arachnotrons
2 former commandos
10 pain elementals
1 revenant
2 bruiser brothers
1 shambler
1 agony elemental
1 Cyberdemon
1 Arena Master
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 2 he found the Butcher's Cleaver!
On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
He left the Arena as a champion!
On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 4 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
On level 12 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
He wiped out the City of Skulls.
On level 14 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
On level 14 he assembled a piercing blade!
On level 14 he assembled a tactical armor!
On level 14 he assembled a tactical boots!
On level 14 he assembled a fireproof armor!
He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
On level 17 he finally was bruised by a baron of hell.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
There is rocket (x3) lying here.
You are hit!
You miss the imp. The imp hits you.
You hit the imp. The imp dies. Next!
You dodge! Boom!
You dodge! Boom!
You dodge! Boom!
You hit the imp. The imp dies. Next!
You hit the imp. The imp dies. Next!
You dodge! Boom!
The imp hits you.
You hit the imp. The imp dies. Next!
There is a Computer Map lying here.
You are hit! The barrel explodes! The barrel explodes! You die!... Press
<Enter>...
There is a pistol (2d4) [5/6] lying here.
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
292 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
283 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
6 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
5 killed the bitch and survived.
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0.9.9.6 / [M|AoB|99%|18|YASD] Knives, knives, kni -
« on: April 20, 2012, 16:06 »
- and then, our hero's voice was suddenly silenced when a former sergeant, taking advantage of certain features of his environment, blasted a napalm barrel sending our hero soaring towards a river of acid, in which he promptly sank to the bottom.
There isn't really anything special about the mortem. I think I just want to talk about Malicious Blades. It really isn't an offensive trait, is it? I found a load of mods this game and was able to make what I consider to be the ultimate pair of blades: two piercing combat knives (4d6) (B). (You have to add the P mod before the A or else they'll be 4d5.) Even with the doubled brute damage bonus (from having two attacks every turn) my DPS was still the same as when I just used the Longinus spear, and lower than when I used the ripper. The only reason to take MMB right now is for the passive resistances. I think I'd be a lot more excited about Malicious Blades if the trait description read like this:
"Knives, knives, knives! You can now attack with a blade in your off hand at the same time as any other melee attack! You also parry 75% melee damage and deflect 50% bullet and shrapnel damage!"
Powerful? Yes, but other melee masters will still do more raw damage in most cases thanks to their easy access to berserk. Also, note that I'm willing to give up fire resistance for this.
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DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Gnat, level 10 Hell Baron 1st Lieutenant Technician,
killed by a soldier on level 2 of Hell.
He survived 78182 turns and scored 62389 points.
He played for 2 hours, 3 minutes and 34 seconds.
He didn't like it too rough.
He killed 528 out of 531 hellspawn. (99%)
He was a real killing machine...
He was an Angel of Berserk!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 11
Levels visited : 7
Levels completed : 7
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Hell Champion Medal
Hell Armorer Badge
Berserker Bronze Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 0/50 Experience 41774/10
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +6 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +9
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Technician
Finesse (Level 1)
Hellrunner (Level 2)
Brute (Level 3)
Dodgemaster (Level 1)
Whizkid (Level 2)
Malicious Blades (Level 1)
Bru->Bru->Fin->HR->HR->DM->MMB->WK->WK->Bru->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] plasma shield [0/0] (37%)
[b] [ Weapon ] Longinus Spear (8d8)
[c] [ Boots ] tactical boots [0/0] (88%)
[d] [ Prepared ] piercing combat knife (4d6) (B)
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] Acid Spitter (10d10) [0/10] {a}
[b] green armor [1/1] (28%) (A)
[c] blue armor [2/2] (63%)
[d] fireproof red armor [4/4] (88%)
[e] piercing combat knife (4d6) (B)
[f] ripper (6d6)
[g] large med-pack
[h] large med-pack
[i] large med-pack
[j] phase device
[k] homing phase device
[l] envirosuit pack
[m] thermonuclear bomb
[n] power mod pack
[o] power mod pack
[p] onyx armor pack
[q] fire skull
[r] fire skull
[s] fire skull
[t] hatred skull
[u] Arena Master's Staff
[v] plasteel boots [2/2] (100%)
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Bullet - internal 0% torso 50% feet 50%
Melee - internal 0% torso 75% feet 75%
Shrapnel - internal 0% torso 50% feet 50%
Fire - internal 0% torso 50% feet 50%
Plasma - internal 0% torso 95% feet 0%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
62 former humans
61 former sergeants
12 former captains
67 imps
46 demons
200 lost souls
26 cacodemons
9 hell knights
2 barons of hell
13 arachnotrons
5 former commandos
12 pain elementals
1 revenant
5 mancubi
2 bruiser brothers
1 shambler
1 agony elemental
1 Angel of Death
1 Cyberdemon
1 Arena Master
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
He left the Arena as a champion!
On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 5 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
On level 11 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 13 he found the Acid Spitter!
On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
He wiped out the City of Skulls.
On level 14 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
On level 15 he assembled a piercing blade!
On level 15 he assembled a piercing blade!
On level 15 he assembled a tactical boots!
On level 15 he assembled a ripper!
On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
On level 17 he assembled a fireproof armor!
On level 17 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
On level 17 he found the Longinus Spear!
He then destroyed the Unholy Cathedral!
On level 18 he finally killed by a soldier.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
There is a Small Health Globe lying here.
You feel better.
There is a plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40] lying here.
There is a rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1] lying here.
You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit!
You dodge! Boom! You dodge! Boom! You are hit! You dodge! Boom! You dodge!
Boom!
You wear/wield : a plasma shield [0/0] (66%)
You hit the former commando. The former commando dies.
There is a plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [28/40] lying here.
There is a blue armor [2/2] (63%) lying here.
You picked up a blue armor [2/2] (63%).
The former sergeant reloads his shotgun.
The former sergeant reloads his shotgun. The barrel explodes! Argh!!! Acid!
You die!... Press <Enter>...
hits you.
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
269 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
260 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
6 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
5 killed the bitch and survived.
--------------------------------------------------------------
There isn't really anything special about the mortem. I think I just want to talk about Malicious Blades. It really isn't an offensive trait, is it? I found a load of mods this game and was able to make what I consider to be the ultimate pair of blades: two piercing combat knives (4d6) (B). (You have to add the P mod before the A or else they'll be 4d5.) Even with the doubled brute damage bonus (from having two attacks every turn) my DPS was still the same as when I just used the Longinus spear, and lower than when I used the ripper. The only reason to take MMB right now is for the passive resistances. I think I'd be a lot more excited about Malicious Blades if the trait description read like this:
"Knives, knives, knives! You can now attack with a blade in your off hand at the same time as any other melee attack! You also parry 75% melee damage and deflect 50% bullet and shrapnel damage!"
Powerful? Yes, but other melee masters will still do more raw damage in most cases thanks to their easy access to berserk. Also, note that I'm willing to give up fire resistance for this.
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Discussion / Re: Overpowered energy-shielded vest?
« on: April 20, 2012, 10:36 »
The fact that you can't even unequip nanofiber skin amour (so you have no option of switching to something with better move speed or melee resist) makes it fair, I think. And yeah, I've never seen the energy-shielded vest.
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0.9.9.6 / [H|AoSh|YAAM] Adventures of a shotgun attached to a brick wall.
« on: April 20, 2012, 09:07 »
I thought I'd keep experimenting with different challenges and master traits. The result is this game:
Army of the Dead is like a sub-challenge on top of the Angel of Shotgunnery challenge. I'm used to loading everything with mods and focusing on active defence traits, so it took some lateral thinking to make the most of basic assemblies and passive defence. I think buying berserker was a good move; I didn't know that when you take a big hit with berserker, the berserk resistance kicks in before damage is calculated. Going berserk and taking just one damage when a rocket hits you makes the cyberdemon a joke. The ranks of ironman that I got at the end might actually have been detrimental, since higher max health means berserker kicks in less often.
The first part of the game didn't feel too different than normal, as I always tend to go pretty heavy on the shotguns. Things started to change with chained court - I had to trap the arena master against a wall and chip away at him with a double shotgun while 'zerked. Phobos anomaly went well as I found an invulnerability sphere close to the stairs to it. I got lucky and was able to corner shoot the bruiser brothers without taking damage even after invulnerability wore off.
In Deimos, I left the medical powerarmor where it spawned as I've just never found a good use for it. I mostly used tactical armour and common armours instead. I found an onyx armour pack in the Armory which I saved for lava boots so I'd have more route options in hell levels. I beat Halls of Carnage because I knew it would be easy - same goes for City of Skulls, which spawned a hatred skull. An invulnerability sphere spawned close to the stairs to the Spider's Lair so I decided to tackle that too, though it got scary after the sphere ran out. Luckily, a combat shotgun with MAD does a decent amount of damage even beyond sight range, so I radar-shot my way to victory.
I was foolish enough to enter the mortuary. I used the hatred skull and a fire skull that I got from City of Skulls pretty much right away. Even while 'zerked I burned through every red armour and supercharge in the right half of the level, and when my 'zerk ran out on my way back to the left side I started to worry. Luckily, it seemed that I'd already managed to kill every vile in my all-consuming rage, so I just had to radar- and corner-shoot from the centre structure until everything was properly dead. The damage was done, though - I only had a stack and a half of shells left, which left me on a pretty tight schedule for the rest of the game. For some reason I went into the lava pits anyway, and wasted even more shells killing most monsters from out of sight range. I only had about thirty shells left leaving that level, so I knew that my one chance left was to nuke the last level of hell, wasting a nuke and lava element I was thinking about spending elsewhere, and then spend those last shells on the mastermind. I equipped the shielded armour and lured the mastermind into melee range so I could chip her health away with point-blank double shotgun blasts while she feebly scratched me. She died. The end!
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DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Brock, level 14 Hell Baron 2nd Lieutenant Marine,
defeated the Mastermind on level 8 of Hell.
He survived 127112 turns and scored 207005 points.
He played for 2 hours, 22 minutes and 56 seconds.
He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.
He killed 962 out of 962 hellspawn. (100%)
This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!
He was an Angel of Shotgunnery!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 11
Levels visited : 9
Levels completed : 9
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Medal of Prejudice
UAC Star (silver cluster)
Aurora Medallion
Grim Reaper's Badge
Hell Champion Medal
Hell Armorer Badge
Gatekeeper Silver Badge
Shottyman Silver Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 69/80 Experience 81611/14
ToHit Ranged +0 ToHit Melee +4 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +6
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Marine
Ironman (Level 2)
Tough as nails (Level 3)
Reloader (Level 2)
Brute (Level 2)
Berserker (Level 1)
Badass (Level 2)
Shottyman (Level 1)
Army of the Dead (Level 1)
Rel->Rel->SM->Bad->Bad->MAD->Bru->Bru->Ber->TaN->TaN->TaN->Iro->Iro->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] Shielded Armor [2]
[b] [ Weapon ] double shotgun (9d3)x2 [0/2]
[c] [ Boots ] tactical boots [0/0] (100%)
[d] [ Prepared ] tactical shotgun (8d3) [5/5]
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] fireproof red armor [2/4] (45%)
[b] Malek's Armor [3/3] (100%)
[c] shotgun shell (x12)
[d] large med-pack
[e] large med-pack
[f] homing phase device
[g] power mod pack
[h] power mod pack
[i] agility mod pack
[j] bulk mod pack
[k] lava acid-proof boots [0]
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Bullet - internal 0% torso 90% feet 0%
Melee - internal 0% torso 90% feet 0%
Shrapnel - internal 0% torso 90% feet 0%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
96 former humans
91 former sergeants
36 former captains
95 imps
69 demons
289 lost souls
41 cacodemons
43 hell knights
54 barons of hell
44 arachnotrons
19 former commandos
16 pain elementals
20 revenants
25 mancubi
16 arch-viles
2 bruiser brothers
1 shambler
1 lava elemental
1 agony elemental
1 Cyberdemon
1 Spider Mastermind
1 Arena Master
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
He left the Arena as a champion!
On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
On level 4 he found the Arena Master's Staff!
He defeated the Hell Arena Master!
On level 8 he encountered the Phobos Anomaly.
On level 10 he assembled a tactical armor!
On level 10 he found the Medical Powerarmor!
On level 10 he entered Hell's Armory.
He destroyed the evil within and reaped the rewards!
On level 11 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
On level 13 he assembled a tactical boots!
On level 13 he found the City of Skulls.
He wiped out the City of Skulls.
On level 14 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
On level 16 he found the Tower of Babel!
On level 17 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
On level 18 he stumbled into complex full of hell knights!
On level 18 he assembled a fireproof armor!
On level 18 he assembled a lava boots!
On level 18 he entered the Vaults.
On level 18 he found the Shielded Armor!
He cracked the Vaults and cleared them out!
On level 20 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
On level 20 he found the Angelic Armor!
He managed to clear the Mortuary from evil!
On level 22 he entered the Lava Pits.
On level 22 he found the Malek's Armor!
He managed to clear the Lava Pits completely!
He nuked level 23!
Then at last he found Dis!
On level 24 he finally defeated the Mastermind.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You see : a Spider Mastermind (severely wounded) | pool of blood | [ m ]ore
The Spider Mastermind hits you. The Spider Mastermind hits you.
You reload the double shotgun. The Spider Mastermind hits you.
You see : a Spider Mastermind (severely wounded) | pool of blood | [ m ]ore
The Spider Mastermind hits you. The Spider Mastermind hits you.
You reload the double shotgun. The Spider Mastermind hits you. The Spider
Mastermind hits you.
You see : a Spider Mastermind (mortally wounded) | pool of blood | [ m ]ore
The Spider Mastermind hits you.
You reload the double shotgun. The Spider Mastermind hits you. The Spider
Mastermind hits you.
You see : a Spider Mastermind (almost dead) | pool of blood | [ m ]ore
The Spider Mastermind dies. Congratulations! You defeated the Spider
Mastermind! Press <Enter>...
You feel relatively safe now.
There is an envirosuit pack lying here.
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
258 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
249 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
6 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
5 killed the bitch and survived.
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Army of the Dead is like a sub-challenge on top of the Angel of Shotgunnery challenge. I'm used to loading everything with mods and focusing on active defence traits, so it took some lateral thinking to make the most of basic assemblies and passive defence. I think buying berserker was a good move; I didn't know that when you take a big hit with berserker, the berserk resistance kicks in before damage is calculated. Going berserk and taking just one damage when a rocket hits you makes the cyberdemon a joke. The ranks of ironman that I got at the end might actually have been detrimental, since higher max health means berserker kicks in less often.
The first part of the game didn't feel too different than normal, as I always tend to go pretty heavy on the shotguns. Things started to change with chained court - I had to trap the arena master against a wall and chip away at him with a double shotgun while 'zerked. Phobos anomaly went well as I found an invulnerability sphere close to the stairs to it. I got lucky and was able to corner shoot the bruiser brothers without taking damage even after invulnerability wore off.
In Deimos, I left the medical powerarmor where it spawned as I've just never found a good use for it. I mostly used tactical armour and common armours instead. I found an onyx armour pack in the Armory which I saved for lava boots so I'd have more route options in hell levels. I beat Halls of Carnage because I knew it would be easy - same goes for City of Skulls, which spawned a hatred skull. An invulnerability sphere spawned close to the stairs to the Spider's Lair so I decided to tackle that too, though it got scary after the sphere ran out. Luckily, a combat shotgun with MAD does a decent amount of damage even beyond sight range, so I radar-shot my way to victory.
I was foolish enough to enter the mortuary. I used the hatred skull and a fire skull that I got from City of Skulls pretty much right away. Even while 'zerked I burned through every red armour and supercharge in the right half of the level, and when my 'zerk ran out on my way back to the left side I started to worry. Luckily, it seemed that I'd already managed to kill every vile in my all-consuming rage, so I just had to radar- and corner-shoot from the centre structure until everything was properly dead. The damage was done, though - I only had a stack and a half of shells left, which left me on a pretty tight schedule for the rest of the game. For some reason I went into the lava pits anyway, and wasted even more shells killing most monsters from out of sight range. I only had about thirty shells left leaving that level, so I knew that my one chance left was to nuke the last level of hell, wasting a nuke and lava element I was thinking about spending elsewhere, and then spend those last shells on the mastermind. I equipped the shielded armour and lured the mastermind into melee range so I could chip her health away with point-blank double shotgun blasts while she feebly scratched me. She died. The end!
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0.9.9.6 / Re: [M|AoSh|88%|YAVP] Mortuary ruins kill ratios.
« on: April 20, 2012, 08:16 »
This is almost exactly like a game I played yesterday! I'll post the mortem in a sec :)
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Century Lounge / Re: [H|Ao100|YAAM] zort kaash zort kaash zort kaash
« on: April 19, 2012, 08:31 »
Personal preference, I guess. I like seeing if I can play without it.
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Century Lounge / [H|Ao100|YAAM] zort kaash zort kaash zort kaash
« on: April 18, 2012, 22:36 »
After about a million failed experiments with pistol builds on different challenges and difficulties, I finally won something. The thread title is a crude onomatopoeic rendering of the soundtrack of this run: chipping away at yet another archvile with an energy pistol.
My strategy is to never plan on getting exotics/uniques, but to take advantage of them once they do show up. And man, did they show up. Finding the lava armor on level 20 won the game for me right then and there - it's such an amazing piece of gear that I was able to carelessly tank as much damage as I wanted afterwards. It also helps that I found an onyx armor pack early on. I made a pair of lava boots to help charge my armor, and I ended up wearing them for most of the game. I also made tactical and antigrav boots, but they mostly sat in my pack as it gets annoying having to constantly switch to protective boots in the lava-jammed hell levels.
Even with all the pistol builds I've been playing lately I've still never once unlocked "dualgunner." Sharpshooters all the way! MSs just seems like a better trait to me - it's more accurate, more ammo efficient, and you spend less time reloading. Plus, you get to experiment with oddball pistol assemblies without worrying about whether your pistols match. I started off with a regular T-modded pistol until I was finally able to find enough B mods to turn it into a storm bolter. This is, as far as I know, the best pistol you can get without any exotic drops, and it served me well through most of the game. Once I found a combat pistol I turned it into an energy pistol, so that I'd be able to make good use of more than just one ammo type. This turned out to be very wise as there were occasional dry spells where bullets or cells wouldn't spawn. I found a second combat pistol fairly late in the game and decided to just mod it up. Overall, the P3 combat pistol was stronger than the energy pistol, but it took 3 shots to kill a revenant where the energy pistol only took 2. I was hoping to find a second sniper mod so I could play around with killing viles from across the map but only one ever turned up, not that I can really complain.
For shotguns, I went from a plain shotty to a lightly modded combat shotgun to a heavily modded assault shotgun. I finally dropped the latter when I found the Jackhammer, which I mostly just kept as a souvenir (though I did bust it out in a few nightmare demon caves). For rocket launchers, I went from a plain RL to a lightly modded missile launcher, which I eventually dropped when I had the idea of making a nanomanufacture napalm launcher. I was very happy to find the second nano pack I needed. A nanomachic napalm launcher is definitely one of the more ridiculous things you can assemble in this game, and since I already had lava boots I could blanket entire levels in lava without any real consequence. I also wanted to see if I could make a nuclear biggest fucking gun but no F mods ever spawned (though I easily could have destroyed a few with the aforementioned napalm launcher).
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DoomRL (v.0.9.9.6G) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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Pinky, level 22 Hell Baron 2nd Lieutenant Technician,
completed 100 levels of torture on level 100 of Hell.
He survived 261744 turns and scored 1189206 points.
He played for 7 hours, 55 minutes and 7 seconds.
He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.
He killed 2520 out of 2520 hellspawn. (100%)
This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!
He was an Angel of 100!
-- Special levels --------------------------------------------
Levels generated : 0
Levels visited : 0
Levels completed : 0
-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------
Medal of Prejudice
UAC Star (bronze cluster)
Experience Medal
Centurial Silver Badge
Centurial Gold Badge
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------
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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------
Health 35/50 Experience 523265/22
ToHit Ranged +6 ToHit Melee +6 ToDmg Ranged +0 ToDmg Melee +0
-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------
Class : Technician
Finesse (Level 3)
Hellrunner (Level 3)
Son of a gun (Level 5)
Reloader (Level 3)
Eagle Eye (Level 3)
Juggler (Level 1)
Dodgemaster (Level 1)
Whizkid (Level 2)
Sharpshooter (Level 1)
SoG->SoG->SoG->EE->EE->EE->MSs->WK->WK->HR->HR->SoG->SoG->DM->HR->Rel->Rel->Rel->Fin->Jug->Fin->Fin->
-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------
[a] [ Armor ] Lava Armor [4/4] (100%)
[b] [ Weapon ] nanomachic napalm launcher (7d7) (T1)
[c] [ Boots ] lava plasteel boots [2] (A)
[d] [ Prepared ] energy combat pistol (3d5) [15/15] (P1)
-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------
[a] combat pistol (3d6) [15/15] (P3S1)
[b] nuclear BFG 9000 (8d8) [43/68] (B2)
[c] Jackhammer (8d3)x3 [9/9]
[d] tactical armor [2/2] (100%) (P)
[e] Shielded Armor [2]
[f] 10mm ammo (x100)
[g] 10mm ammo (x100)
[h] 10mm ammo (x94)
[i] shotgun shell (x50)
[j] power cell (x50)
[k] power cell (x50)
[l] power cell (x50)
[m] large med-pack
[n] large med-pack
[o] large med-pack
[p] Hell Staff
[q] antigrav steel boots [1/1] (100%) (A)
[r] 10mm ammo chain (x250)
[s] 10mm ammo chain (x250)
[t] shell box (x100)
[u] shell box (x100)
[v] power battery (x120)
-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------
Acid - internal 0% torso 0% feet 50%
Fire - internal 0% torso 75% feet 100%
Plasma - internal 0% torso 50% feet 0%
-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------
178 former humans
219 former sergeants
277 former captains
95 imps
52 demons
233 lost souls
41 cacodemons
102 hell knights
361 barons of hell
83 arachnotrons
12 former commandos
22 pain elementals
162 revenants
187 mancubi
228 arch-viles
35 nightmare imps
48 nightmare cacodemons
116 nightmare demons
30 nightmare arachnotrons
5 nightmare arch-viles
23 bruiser brothers
4 shamblers
4 lava elemental
2 agony elementals
1 Cyberdemon
-- History ---------------------------------------------------
On level 19 he assembled a tactical boots!
On level 20 he stumbled into complex full of mancubi!
On level 20 he assembled a tactical armor!
On level 20 he found the Lava Armor!
On level 21 he found the Shielded Armor!
On level 24 he assembled a lava boots!
Level 28 blasted him with unholy atmosphere!
On level 29 he assembled a antigrav boots!
On level 33 he assembled a storm bolter pistol!
On level 34 he assembled a energy pistol!
On level 38, hell froze over!
He sounded the alarm on level 39!
On level 46 he found the Jackhammer!
On level 47 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
On level 49 he ran for his life from acid!
On level 52 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
On level 54 he stumbled into complex full of former humans!
On level 55 he ran for his life from acid!
Level 59 was a hard nut to crack!
On level 64 he found the Hell Staff!
On level 66, hell froze over!
On level 68 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
On level 69 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
On level 70 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
On level 72 he found the Hellwave Pack!
On level 73 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
He sounded the alarm on level 76!
On level 80 he assembled a nanomanufacture ammo!
On level 81 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
On level 84 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
On level 85 he ran for his life from acid!
On level 88 he ran for his life from acid!
On level 90, hell froze over!
On level 92 he ran for his life from acid!
On level 93 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
He sounded the alarm on level 95!
On level 100 he finally completed 100 levels of torture.
-- Messages --------------------------------------------------
You see : floor
Targeting canceled. There is a combat shotgun (7d3) [5/5] lying here.
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
You see : Pinky (wounded) | floor | [ m ]ore
Targeting canceled.
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
You hear the scream of a freed soul!
The missile hits the mancubus. You hear the scream of a freed soul! You feel
relatively safe now.
The weapon doesn't need to be reloaded!
There are stairs leading downward here.
You did it! You completed 100 levels of DoomRL! You're the champion! Press
<Enter>...
You see : a mancubus (severely wounded) | blood | [ m ]ore
-- General ---------------------------------------------------
256 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
248 of those were killed.
2 of those were killed by something unknown.
5 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
4 killed the bitch and survived.
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My strategy is to never plan on getting exotics/uniques, but to take advantage of them once they do show up. And man, did they show up. Finding the lava armor on level 20 won the game for me right then and there - it's such an amazing piece of gear that I was able to carelessly tank as much damage as I wanted afterwards. It also helps that I found an onyx armor pack early on. I made a pair of lava boots to help charge my armor, and I ended up wearing them for most of the game. I also made tactical and antigrav boots, but they mostly sat in my pack as it gets annoying having to constantly switch to protective boots in the lava-jammed hell levels.
Even with all the pistol builds I've been playing lately I've still never once unlocked "dualgunner." Sharpshooters all the way! MSs just seems like a better trait to me - it's more accurate, more ammo efficient, and you spend less time reloading. Plus, you get to experiment with oddball pistol assemblies without worrying about whether your pistols match. I started off with a regular T-modded pistol until I was finally able to find enough B mods to turn it into a storm bolter. This is, as far as I know, the best pistol you can get without any exotic drops, and it served me well through most of the game. Once I found a combat pistol I turned it into an energy pistol, so that I'd be able to make good use of more than just one ammo type. This turned out to be very wise as there were occasional dry spells where bullets or cells wouldn't spawn. I found a second combat pistol fairly late in the game and decided to just mod it up. Overall, the P3 combat pistol was stronger than the energy pistol, but it took 3 shots to kill a revenant where the energy pistol only took 2. I was hoping to find a second sniper mod so I could play around with killing viles from across the map but only one ever turned up, not that I can really complain.
For shotguns, I went from a plain shotty to a lightly modded combat shotgun to a heavily modded assault shotgun. I finally dropped the latter when I found the Jackhammer, which I mostly just kept as a souvenir (though I did bust it out in a few nightmare demon caves). For rocket launchers, I went from a plain RL to a lightly modded missile launcher, which I eventually dropped when I had the idea of making a nanomanufacture napalm launcher. I was very happy to find the second nano pack I needed. A nanomachic napalm launcher is definitely one of the more ridiculous things you can assemble in this game, and since I already had lava boots I could blanket entire levels in lava without any real consequence. I also wanted to see if I could make a nuclear biggest fucking gun but no F mods ever spawned (though I easily could have destroyed a few with the aforementioned napalm launcher).
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Requests For Features / Re: Usability/consistency improvements
« on: April 16, 2012, 18:36 »@bullet htting tile it wasn't aimed at - to be honest I saw it a few times myself, in ASCII mode. It's really, really rare and I can't seem to notice any reason why it is happening but it's there. It's actually pretty noticable since the bullet seems to go waaay off the route it should go.
I've also seen this. My impression was that, even though monsters can't dodge, sometimes when a bullet is calculated to miss its target its trajectory is shown on screen as if that monster dodged it (ie. the bullet flies toward the monster's last location instead of its current one).
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Discussion / Re: Mancubus AI
« on: April 15, 2012, 14:11 »
I've noticed that mancubi are able to fire from out of LOS sometimes. I thought this was a bug.
I think I would like the DoomRL mancubus better if it was easier to dodge its fire completely. It's no fun dodging the centre shot just to take a direct hit from one of the peripheral projectiles. Maybe these outer shots could be fired at a larger angle from centre so that they wouldn't ever hit the player directly but would still cause a lot of chaos. Or, maybe the mancubus could fire only two shots at a time so that the player can dodge them all with a left-right-left movement pattern (like in Doom).
I think I would like the DoomRL mancubus better if it was easier to dodge its fire completely. It's no fun dodging the centre shot just to take a direct hit from one of the peripheral projectiles. Maybe these outer shots could be fired at a larger angle from centre so that they wouldn't ever hit the player directly but would still cause a lot of chaos. Or, maybe the mancubus could fire only two shots at a time so that the player can dodge them all with a left-right-left movement pattern (like in Doom).
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Discussion / Re: dual vs. single wield pistols? (and a couple random questions)
« on: April 10, 2012, 10:47 »That is also not necessarily true. If you play in graphics mode and hit the 'f' key to bring up the target selection, move the mouse around your field of view when you're cornershooting. There are spaces in your vision that enemies can't shoot you from (you'll see the X turn red over those).
So that's what that means! This should probably be mentioned in the manual or somewhere.
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Requests For Features / Re: Autowear of armor/boots
« on: April 08, 2012, 11:29 »
I think that 'u'sing armour from the ground is already being coded in.
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Discussion / Re: dual vs. single wield pistols? (and a couple random questions)
« on: April 06, 2012, 11:13 »
Unless you're playing Angel of Marksmanship, what you're doing wrong is not carrying a chaingun and a shotgun or two. Every weapon type has its advantages, and having a "build" doesn't mean you're only allowed to use that one thing.