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DoomRL => Discussion => Topic started by: Klear on March 07, 2012, 13:33
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Getting better at DoomRL is often simply a matter of kicking some bad gameplay habits and learning the good ones. There is bunch of stuff I know I'm doing wrong, but for some reason can't manage to stop doing.
There may be some other that I'm not even aware of, so if you post yours here, it can potentially help all of us.
Ok, here I mine:
I don't read level feelings. Ever. Sometimes I realize it and try to find it in the message list just after it's too late =)
I don't use running as much as I could. Even when I need to run for a healing globe, I tend to save running for... no idea what.
I forget to use the rocket launcher (even though I always carry one with 10-20 ammo) to make things easier for myself. I often even run through lava rather than blow a hole in a wall a go through there instead.
I still use the U key to use medkits and stuff, even though it already led to YASD when I was standing on a lever.
There's probably more, but these are a few from the top of my head. So what about you?
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Not using a medpack this turn cause it's unlikely i die (but possible). 20 HP 2 Armor and 25% Fire resist against cybby mortally wounded, well it's unlikely his rocket kills me... And i have a full clip with Sharpshooter to finish him.... = YASD
Allways going for 100% kills cause its cool.
Reloading the chaingun after every former kill (and getting shot by his friend that came out of the dark)
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Reloading the chaingun after every former kill (and getting shot by his friend that came out of the dark)
Holy crap...this so much.
For me, it would just be not dodging. I know I can, but I just stand there and take hits...so stupid...
Also not moving to pump the Combat Shotty, but just using R.
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I don't read level feelings. Ever. Sometimes I realize it and try to find it in the message list just after it's too late =)
I don't use running as much as I could. Even when I need to run for a healing globe, I tend to save running for... no idea what.
I forget to use the rocket launcher (even though I always carry one with 10-20 ammo) to make things easier for myself. I often even run through lava rather than blow a hole in a wall a go through there instead.
I succumb to these a lot, but I usually blow up walls before walking through lava unless it's just like 1 tile.
Allways going for 100% kills cause its cool.
Damn right it's cool. More like awesome habit.
Reloading the chaingun after every former kill (and getting shot by his friend that came out of the dark)
I usually pop behind cover before reloading, but I still do this sometimes.
For me, it would just be not dodging. I know I can, but I just stand there and take hits...so stupid...
I used to suffer from this. It's not that big of an issue now that I avoid firefights and hide around corners and fight in melee. I do make sure I zigzag a bit when I'm retreating or charging in, but on the rare occasion that I'm in a real shootout it just doesn't seem worth the trouble since they'll often just shoot at me again after I dodge the first time. Plus it can be kind of frustrating when the speeds are slightly different and I don't know whether it's safe to shoot - so I just shoot anyways.
Also not moving to pump the Combat Shotty, but just using R.
Well, this depends a lot on the situation. For corner shooting, mashing R is the only good choice, and if you're fairly sure you can kill something in one more hit, it might be better to just manually pump and shoot in a very short time rather than risk getting shot at even with a dodge move. My big issue with this lately, is that I upgrade to the tactical shotgun and forget that I don't have to pump anymore, so I waste time reloading between shots.
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Allways going for 100% kills cause its cool.
It is not merely "cool", it is the imperative requirement. Anything lower than that is a disgrace to Doomguy in my view.
And maybe thats the reason I don't play N! and very rarely touch AoP.
As for bad habits:
- "it is only a mere former human, I won't run or hide or snipe or waste time shotting outside FoV"; (10 formers later I miss half of my HP and/or armor)
- "those are just lowly Lost Souls/Pain Elemental"; (habit from previous versions)
- "I will spare this (enter consumable) for later time"; (luckily happens rarely now)
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- "I will spare this (enter consumable) for later time"; (luckily happens rarely now)
On the other hand, I tend to pick up health globes as soon as I see them, even if I'm on 100% health and the level is still full of enemies that are sure to damage me.
The one about chainguns - yeah... I treat them like a shotgun when it comes to reloading. And then once in a while I realize how stupid I am which sometimes leads to YASD after firing with only one bullet chambered.
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Rarely using run command... Almost running by arrows and then got killed.
Very impatient, never used to wait the enemy, just going out of the corner and then got damaged or killed.
Very "economic". Don't use mod pack without making assemblies. That's leads me to drop them in order to pick up med packs.
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I don't read level feelings. Ever. Sometimes I realize it and try to find it in the message list just after it's too late =)
I don't use running as much as I could. Even when I need to run for a healing globe, I tend to save running for... no idea what.
These. Very much these.
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BTW, I've found Angel of Pacifism to be a good way to learn to run. I know I've been much better in this aspect for some time after I beat it, though it's been going downhill since then. I should play a couple of pacifist runs to get back in shape.
Another bad habit: Stepping into lava/acid when it can be easily avoided, especially when the level is already cleared and I'm just picking up sutff.
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Another bad habit: Stepping into lava/acid when it can be easily avoided, especially when the level is already cleared and I'm just picking up sutff.
One time I was doing Ao100 and I had the enviroboots sitting in my inventory after clearing a cacodemon cave. Stepped in lava and died.
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A few of my bad habits:
-waiting for enemies to get too close when I have a shotty
-using up all my power cells with a plasma rifle instead of saving some for bfg
-being too lazy to line up more than one enemy for my rapid-fire gun or dual pistols
-blowing up the backpack and missile launcher -_-
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Picking up armor shards to refill 1 durability point of my worn armour when I have an exotic armour that's on its last legs in my backpack.
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Hammering "Pagedn" then "g" without looking, to grab those enviroboots on AoMC... I mean, it's not like that's going to ever give some hidden Former Commando two free volleys at me.... right?
WRONG
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Oh, here's more of a funny habit rather than a bad one...
When getting a beserk/invuln - believing that if I press the keys faster, it will last longer!
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I always, always have to 100% a level. I don't even pay attention to the stairs until the floor name is blue.
It takes a great effort of will to knowingly skip a special level that isn't Unholy Cathedral or (occasionally) the Mortuary. City of Skulls is hard, even with MGK...
I'm always carrying either way too much primary ammo (higher difficulties) or way too much health (E/M).
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-blowing up the backpack and missile launcher -_-
Oh yeah... this so much.
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Bad habit:
Playing DoomRL while at work/sleepy/drunk/pissed off/stressed/horny/showing off to friends/whatever other distraction you can imagine.
I'm nearly constantly under at least one of these conditions - maybe that is why I am such a lousy player ...
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Bad habit:
Playing DoomRL while at work/sleepy/drunk/pissed off/stressed/horny/showing off to friends/whatever other distraction you can imagine.
I'm nearly constantly under at least one of these conditions - maybe that is why I am such a lousy player ...
Now, where have I seen this quote before?
/me wonders
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Dejá vu (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,4425.msg40217.html#msg40217)
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A really nasty habit is to run around holding the key. Several YASDs, fortunately, help to cure that.
From my personal experience: I stopped doing that after my character drowned in lava in the Chained Court after the level was cleared.
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1. Clear all levels to 100% when not on challenges. I can, with great difficulty, bring myself to stop attackign a pack of 4 former sergeants on AoB.
2. Hoard medkits and any powerup greater than a small health globe. I always like to save them until the end of the level. After all, I can *probably* survive with 36% health, right? I am somewhat reasonable when it comes to using small medkits but I am terrible with large medkits, which I generally don't use unless I hit 20% health or less. This has led to many mancubus deaths.
3. Hoarding plasma cells. After I figured out how to clear city of skulls with rocket jump (after you pull lever and after the agony elemental spawns), I found the BFG wasn't really necessary. But I still carry around 5 stacks of cells with almost any build, just in case.
4. Hoarding rockets. I like to save a lot of rockets as insurance for the Wall. But post-wall there is no reason whatsoever to hoard so many. I will typically carry 2-3 stacks around until I end up discarding them for something more useful.
5. Avoiding radar shooting in hell. The thing is, I *hate* blowing up items/powerups as a result of barrel explosions. But I need to do this more, especially to detect Mancubi.
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I've got a new one - treating the tactical shotgun like it was a combat shotgun (or rather like it was standard shotgun). I rarely realize that I can unload all the shells at once without reloading.
I also try to start running even though I'm already running, getting an instant tired tactic.
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I didn't know you could turn off running early. I don't think that's too useful. I guess you could wait until an enemy fires, then turn it off and fire yourself without the accuracy hit. I guess you turn it off once you find good cover. That's pretty useful.
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2. Hoard medkits and any powerup greater than a small health globe. I always like to save them until the end of the level. After all, I can *probably* survive with 36% health, right? I am somewhat reasonable when it comes to using small medkits but I am terrible with large medkits, which I generally don't use unless I hit 20% health or less. This has led to many mancubus deaths.
Last time I was playing some easy mode and I had 6 small and 1 large Med-Pack. Guess what? I got KOed by a Former Human.
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Dualreloading with enemies in sight. Costed me a YASD vs a lava elemental HNTR last night, when the beast decided to walk towards me and melee instead of whacking me from a distance against fireproof red armor.
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Dualreloading with enemies in sight. Costed me a YASD vs a lava elemental HNTR last night, when the beast decided to walk towards me and melee instead of whacking me from a distance against fireproof red armor.
I'm playing a MGK build right now with combat pistol (P1) + GCB. I can't remember the last time I had to reload. And even if I do, it just changes the firing mode on the GCB. You have to reload them manually. It's kinda nice, really.
Here's a good habit I've been encouraging lately: any time I hear a mancubus, arch-vile, or revenant, I switch to red armor, even with my speedy dodge builds. (Not like you can dodge their attacks, anyway).
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that was an MGK, but no Beretta or any other pistols, just two P-modded ones.
well, you CAN dodge an archvile attack, you are given ~1.0s after "The arch-vile raises its arms!" message, but the attack has splash radius 2. I have managed to get 0.5 walk speed with tactical armor/boots and 2 HR levels and Scout, or 0.4 with phaseshift boots/A. (No phaseshift armor together with boots tho)
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Accidentally going down the white stairs instead of the red.
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Accidentally going down the white stairs instead of the red.
...and vice versa. WTF am I doing in the mortuary?!
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...and vice versa. WTF am I doing in the mortuary?!
"Good thing I packed this homing pha- Wait...where is it?"
(http://files.sharenator.com/fuuuuu_The_Worlds_Hardest_Game_3-s343x268-95358-580.jpg)
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Accidentally going down the white stairs instead of the red.
I'm very prone to this when berserked/invincible :(
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I manage to do it even after double checking which stairs lead where... lol
Dicking around as a survivalist at 48% health P-Modded Red Armor on AoHu trying to dodge a cacodemon... Only as the mortem shows up you realise how little health this actually was.
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Ok.. I have a new one and it's kinda weird:
Running diagonally in hell's arena, bouncing off the pillars, pretending to be arkanoid ball. Yes, that got me killed more than once =)
Edit: Also - leaving the rocket launcher on the arena floor and then being very surprised at the wall. The rocket launcher is hard to see in the graphic version =(
Few days ago, I found a vault with two rocket launchers on phobos 7. I unloaded them, cursed the RNG for giving me two weapons I don't need and then I took on the wall not knowing I have no means to make a hole in it. I got lucky with a phase and cleaned it eventually though.
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Edit: Also - leaving the rocket launcher on the arena floor and then being very surprised at the wall. The rocket launcher is hard to see in the graphic version =(
Few days ago, I found a vault with two rocket launchers on phobos 7. I unloaded them, cursed the RNG for giving me two weapons I don't need and then I took on the wall not knowing I have no means to make a hole in it. I got lucky with a phase and cleaned it eventually though.
Ooh, something I used to be really bad about was dropping the rocket launcher to pick up and use something on the ground (full inventory, plus rocket launcher at the top of my inventory), then forgetting to pick it back up. Cue entering the wall and ragequitting. Heck, I remember once I unloaded the rocket launcher because I thought it was a spare, forgetting that I actually just dropped it.
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My biggest one is being too conservative with med-packs. I've had too many games where I died because I was saving them for when I "really need them." Also, on a couple of occasions, trying to get to cover before healing, so I'm not exposed for that one second of using the med-pack. (Especially stupid if I happen to be playing as a Technician, so there's no reason to seek cover)
Another that's killed me a few times is forgetting to load the next shell into the Combat Shotgun while corner-shooting. Then, when I rapidly tap the arrow keys to aim at the right square, I run right at the enemy instead! I don't do that any more, though, thanks to a line I discovered in the Config.lua file that makes it prompt you to press enter if you ever try to fire when you can't. That feature has saved my bacon a few times.
Another irritating thing that's happened a number of times is pushing the I key to bring up the inventory while simultaneously, accidentally pushing the adjacent keys, U or O. I've wasted too many large med-packs that way. The previous version had a line in the config.lua file to prevent that, but it seems to be missing from 0.9.9.6. :( I just have to be more careful, I guess.
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My biggest one is being too conservative with med-packs. I've had too many games where I died because I was saving them for when I "really need them." Also, on a couple of occasions, trying to get to cover before healing, so I'm not exposed for that one second of using the med-pack. (Especially stupid if I happen to be playing as a Technician, so there's no reason to seek cover)
Another that's killed me a few times is forgetting to load the next shell into the Combat Shotgun while corner-shooting. Then, when I rapidly tap the arrow keys to aim at the right square, I run right at the enemy instead! I don't do that any more, though, thanks to a line I discovered in the Config.lua file that makes it prompt you to press enter if you ever try to fire when you can't. That feature has saved my bacon a few times.
Another irritating thing that's happened a number of times is pushing the I key to bring up the inventory while simultaneously, accidentally pushing the adjacent keys, U or O. I've wasted too many large med-packs that way. The previous version had a line in the config.lua file to prevent that, but it seems to be missing from 0.9.9.6. :( I just have to be more careful, I guess.
Hoarding medpacks happens regularly to me, luckily it is much better now than before.
As for Inventory, you can change the way the inventory looks like and remove quick-access buttons.
And personally I had to remove the special keys 'M' and 'N' from bindings, as those were eating my medpacks as well.
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Another irritating thing that's happened a number of times is pushing the I key to bring up the inventory while simultaneously, accidentally pushing the adjacent keys, U or O. I've wasted too many large med-packs that way. The previous version had a line in the config.lua file to prevent that, but it seems to be missing from 0.9.9.6. :( I just have to be more careful, I guess.
I usually use a phase device because of this. I guess my hand has some weird shape =)
On the other hand, I'm to say that I usually die after spending all my medkits these days, except in the alarmingly high number of occasions when I fire a missile launcher into a wall in front of me.
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Bad habit: attempting to clear the four hell barons on UV CC+ before taking out the arena master (without the berserk packs). Corner shooting is possible, but difficult. About half the time an untenable situation occurs.
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Bad habit: attempting to clear the four hell barons on UV CC+ before taking out the arena master
Isn't this the right strategy?I always do it that way because i definitely do not want barons interfering with my fight with AM.
Another that's killed me a few times is forgetting to load the next shell into the Combat Shotgun while corner-shooting. Then, when I rapidly tap the arrow keys to aim at the right square, I run right at the enemy instead! I don't do that any more, though, thanks to a line I discovered in the Config.lua file that makes it prompt you to press enter if you ever try to fire when you can't. That feature has saved my bacon a few times.
THIS.My friend told me about that option in config and i was saved.
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I usually hit this with pistols when rapidly mashing F to shoot rounds into a cacodemon or anything else that's right behind a corner, and sometimes I got confused whether I'm in firing mode or not, so I too run into a cacodemon, sometimes even through lava. :C
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Bad habit: attempting to clear the four hell barons on UV CC+ before taking out the arena master (without the berserk packs). Corner shooting is possible, but difficult. About half the time an untenable situation occurs.
Heh, thats usually my strategy :] .
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As for Inventory, you can change the way the inventory looks like and remove quick-access buttons.
Is there an option for that in this version? I didn't see it! (It must be in a different place than previous versions or something)
Corner shooting is possible, but difficult. About half the time an untenable situation occurs.
Yeah, I hate it when a Baron sneaks up on me from a different direction when I'm trying to corner-shoot his buddies. ("Great! Now, what do I do?")
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Heh, thats usually my strategy :] .
Same here!
Corner shooting is possible, but difficult. About half the time an untenable situation occurs.
For instance, getting sniped by a baron the very instant that you open one of the rear doors, his bolt liquifying both berserk packs.
Yeah, I hate it when a Baron sneaks up on me from a different direction when I'm trying to corner-shoot his buddies. ("Great! Now, what do I do?")
Well, just the other day, I tried using a phase device - and it put me right next to the arena master and all his pals.
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Taking care of minions is a must. I have already lost at least once trying to kill Arena Master on berserk, while being surrounded by captains.
The best fun (except for chainsaw) is shotgun here - stalking next to the doors and then blasting Baron into lava is something that feels really, really good =) .
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As for Inventory, you can change the way the inventory looks like and remove quick-access buttons.
Is there an option for that in this version? I didn't see it! (It must be in a different place than previous versions or something)
That option (InvMenuStyle) doesn't exist in 0.9.9.6, probably because of the graphics version. Hopefully that will be fixed.
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I think the way Game Hunter does CC+ is more consistent: grab chainsaw + 1 berserk pack, rocket a few captains, then head straight for the arena master, kill him, and use the staff if you're swarmed. Then hightail it back to the center, killing any barons on the way before berserk wears off.
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... or the way 2DeviationsOut does it: enter CC with just an unmodded pistol, then stare at the screen which causes all the enemies present to spontaneously explode.
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... or the way 2DeviationsOut does it: enter CC with just an unmodded pistol, then stare at the screen which causes all the enemies present to spontaneously explode.
I lol'd.
Seriously though, I grab a zerk off of a chainsaw, then pop the upper right door open, and move up to cornershoot the top barons while they're in line with the ammo, and then cautiously go for the mod. Then, I sweep down and cornershoot the barons on the bottom. After that, I go back inside the room, pick up the bottom zerk, and then go for the Arena Master, hugging the bottom wall. The moment I see anything respawn, I swap to the rocket launcher and pepper that direction with rockets, and hear for a hitreg off of the Arena Master. From there I spray fire to catch the formers, and move in for the kill. I stay right near the LOS of the Arena Master, and the moment I see it start to attack I back off and keep firing at it's last position. I repeat this until it's dead. Then all that's left is the cleanup.
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How do you outrun it, given that it has 150% speed? You get 2xHR and Agi on boots already, or rely on run/zerk?
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I think I'll try grabbing one of the zerks right away (so the barons can't destroy that one, at least) to help clear the starting area. I'm also thinking about rocket jumping towards the arena master the first time I see him (I think you should be able to evade his attacks this way at about the same damage cost) and chainsaw him to death, to save rockets for the wall.
Speaking of the wall, here's another bad habit of mine: insisting on finishing every damn special level whether or not it'll cost me my life. I've actually never seen the "regular" chained court in a standard game.
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hear for a hitreg off of the Arena Master
What? He's dead silent in my game...
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What? He's dead silent in my game...
He's also silent for me.
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@Hammer and Noir: custom soundbinds
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... or the way 2DeviationsOut does it: enter CC with just an unmodded pistol, then stare at the screen which causes all the enemies present to spontaneously explode.
I loled too.
@Hammer and Noir: custom soundbinds
Pretty useful information, will get on that stat. What do I put in sound.lua to do that? Specifically, what's the entity code for AM?
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my worst habit was, up to 995:
making antigrav gothic boots, because of its 10/10 you can travel over lava relatively safe, then totally forgeting about your boots wearing (you simply dont care about it), then making cerberus gothic armor because of its durability, and then feeling like antigravity fortress. Le Fu~
the same way: my lovest armor set is phaseshift gravity boots and cerberus phaseshift armor. It still has sense in 996. Then again, i used to forget about boots wearing at all, swappin cerv phase to something other and keep walking in lava. Le Fu~
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Berserk means you're resistant to damage, not invulnerable. "AHAHAHA, MEAT" is not a sustainable combat strategy.
Maybe one day I'll actually LEARN that lesson.
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Berserk means you're resistant to damage, not invulnerable. "AHAHAHA, MEAT" is not a sustainable combat strategy.
You must not be berserking properly. Are you holding a rocker launcher or minigun at all times?
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You must not be berserking properly. Are you holding a rocker launcher or minigun at all times?
You know, minigun is useless to got zerked. Unlike rocket launcher. :)
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I've got a new one - treating the tactical shotgun like it was a combat shotgun (or rather like it was standard shotgun). I rarely realize that I can unload all the shells at once without reloading.
I've the same. Along with often reloading rapidfire weapon when i got ammmochain.