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Discussion / Re: Found Dragonslayer but can't pick it up
« on: September 01, 2014, 14:45 »
If the conditions are to be random, might as well make it so that there's a chance on spawn for it to be wieldable period, and most chances will not be able to wield it.
As in like: For every time it spawns, have a 90-98% Chance for it to always fail at being wieldable no matter what, and a 2-10% chance to always succeed at wielding regardless of conditions. That way if you see it spawn and can't seem to wield it, you know you were never meant to wield it that time, and don't have to worry about conditions that you may never figure out.

As it currently is, Dragonslayer shouldn't be needed for a Medium-Hard Badge such as Gold. It should be for something harder, like Platinum or Diamond, especially since there's no spoilers to be found unless they're outdated. And if the requirements keep changing due to people figuring it out, then eventually you will run out of easy/near-obvious conditions for it and resort to methods so cryptic, NO ONE will figure it out.

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Discussion / Re: Found Dragonslayer but can't pick it up
« on: August 31, 2014, 12:21 »
I wasn't asking for a spoiler, I was asking for a hint. If I can't even get a hint then I can at least go with the theories I haven't tried yet(I tried 2 of them to no avail).

Edit: I'm going to go for Vash the Stampede Badge.(Ao666 with 90% Kills on HMP as a Pistol Master) This time I'll try either Gun Kata or Bullet Dance. Hopefully Dragonslayer doesn't spawn this time. I'm going to keep an extra pistol with me just in case.

Reddit: It's Kind of a(very huge) buzzkill to find dragonslayer and not be able to pick it up. The conditions for wielding it should be the same for it spawning in the first place in my opinion, which would mean that it would never spawn unless you met the conditions.

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I just got technician Diamond by completing the last master assembly I needed: Biggest F*ing Gun(BBFF). I did that part yesterday on floor 88. I also Found Dragonslayer on floor 136, but couldn't pick it up. I had 100% Kills up to the time I found Dragonslayer. I ended up killing myself on Floor 137 because I couldn't handle the stress of not being able to pick up dragonslayer. Discussion about my Dragonslayer find can be found and discussed here: http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,7216.0.html

I've got a question though: Is Technician Diamond THE absolutely easiest diamond badge? If not, then what is the EASIEST diamond badge? I also noticed that the game started showing me the list of Angelic Badges as soon as I ended this run, when previously it hid them. I wonder if they get unlocked at first diamond? I unfortunately didn't make it to Experience Level 25 for Experience Medal/Badge, nor did I qualify for Lone Gunman/Vash the Stampede Badge(since I died way before 666). If Dragonslayer hadn't dropped, or if it had let me wield it, I definitely would've finished Ao666, probably even with YAAM.
--------------------------------------------------------------
 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Arron Syaoran,
 level 24 Arch-Vile Major Technician,
 was shot by a former sergeant on level 137 of Hell.
 He survived 335441 turns and scored 867445 points.
 He played for 10 hours, 26 minutes and 40 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 2651 out of 2665 hellspawn. (99%)
 He was a real killing machine...
 He was an Archangel of 666!

 He saved himself 23 times.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 0
  Levels visited   : 0
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (silver cluster)
  Experience Medal
  Technician Diamond Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

  ###########################################################
  ......########.########.##.......###.^....#################
  .V....#######......###......===..###.A==..#################
  ..|...######.......###|.========..##.====..################
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  ...#.##........===....................======..#############
  ...#..^.#####.=======..#######.######.=======..############
  ####....#...#.========.#.....#.#...A#.=======...0...#######
  .}...=..#...#.========.#..B..#.#.0+...=======....==..######
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  ###...###############^.........#+....0hB...==.===......####
  ####..###############........####.##..+.##..==###0##..#####
  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/50   Experience 714370/24
  ToHit Ranged +10  ToHit Melee +10  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Technician

    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Hellrunner       (Level 3)
    Son of a gun     (Level 5)
    Reloader         (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye        (Level 5)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Intuition        (Level 2)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Sharpshooter     (Level 1)

  EE->SoG->SoG->SoG->EE->WK->WK->EE->MSs->Fin->Fin->SoG->SoG->Jug->HR->HR->HR->Rel->Rel->Int->Int->EE->EE->Rel->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Malek's Armor [1/3] (23%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   blaster (2d7) [13/13] (B1P3S1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   Nyarlaptotep's Boots [6/6] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   nothing

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] energy pistol (2d6) [6/6] (P1)
    [b] plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40]
    [c] high power blaster (2d6) [8/8] (B1)
    [d] super shotgun (8d4)x2 [2/2]
    [e] burst minigun (1d8)x10 [520/520] (B1)
    [f] biggest fucking gun (20d12) [250/250]
    [g] Trigun (3d6) [6/6]
    [h] energy-shielded vest [3] (AOP)
    [i] Lava Armor [4/4] (100%)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] phase device
    [q] nano pack
    [r] Enviroboots [0]
    [s] power battery (x120)
    [t] power battery (x120)
    [u] power battery (x120)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Acid       - internal 0%    torso 7%    feet 30% 
    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 25%   feet 100%
    Plasma     - internal 0%    torso 7%    feet 0%   

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    164 former humans
    245 former sergeants
    267 former captains
    81 imps
    44 demons
    226 lost souls
    82 cacodemons
    115 hell knights
    341 barons of hell
    93 arachnotrons
    8 former commandos
    24 pain elementals
    113 revenants
    256 mancubi
    263 arch-viles
    34 nightmare imps
    72 nightmare cacodemons
    66 nightmare demons
    55 nightmare arachnotrons
    13 nightmare arch-viles
    3 elite former humans
    2 elite former sergeants
    6 elite former captains
    6 elite former commandos
    46 bruiser brothers
    12 shamblers
    5 lava elemental
    6 agony elementals
    3 Cyberdemons

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 5 he assembled a speedloader pistol!
  On level 7 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 14 he assembled a high power weapon!
  On level 16 he assembled a energy pistol!
  On level 18 he assembled a high power weapon!
  He sounded the alarm on level 20!
  On level 22 he assembled a nanofiber armor!
  On level 24 he stumbled into a complex full of arch-viles!
  On level 30 he assembled a environmental boots!
  On level 31 he stumbled into a complex full of arch-viles!
  On level 31 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 32 he was bombarded!
  On level 32 he found the Malek's Armor!
  Level 34 blasted him with an unholy atmosphere!
  On level 36 he assembled a storm bolter pistol!
  On level 41 he assembled a cerberus armor!
  He sounded the alarm on level 42!
  On level 48 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 52 he found the Frag Shotgun!
  Level 53 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 63 he found the Enviroboots!
  On level 66 he encountered an armed nuke!
  On level 67 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 70 he found the Anti-Freak Jackal!
  Level 72 blasted him with an unholy atmosphere!
  On level 73 he stumbled into a complex full of arch-viles!
  On level 76 he found the Nyarlaptotep's Boots!
  On level 84 he stumbled into a complex full of arch-viles!
  On level 86 he found the Trigun!
  On level 88 he assembled a biggest fucking gun!
  On level 91 he found the Railgun!
  Level 95 was a hard nut to crack!
  Level 101 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 102 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 103 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  Level 107 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 108 he stumbled into a nightmare demon cave!
  On level 109 he stumbled into a nightmare cacodemon cave!
  On level 111 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  Level 116 blasted him with an unholy atmosphere!
  On level 119 he found the Lava Armor!
  On level 122 he assembled a burst cannon!
  On level 129 he stumbled into a nightmare arachnotron cave!
  On level 131 he ran for his life from acid!
  On level 137 he finally was shot by a former sergeant.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 The barrel explodes! The former captain dies.
 You are hit! The former sergeant dies.
 You dodge! Boom! You dodge! The missile hits the nightmare demon.
 The former sergeant reloads his shotgun.
 The nightmare demon dies.
 You push the barrel of napalm.
 You feel vulnerable again.
 You dodge! Boom! You dodge! Boom! You dodge! Boom! You dodge! Boom! You
 dodge! Boom!
 The baron of hell hits you. The former sergeant reloads his shotgun.
 You hit the baron of hell. The baron of hell hits you.
 You hit the baron of hell. The barrel explodes! You are hit!
 You are hit! Your Malek's Armor is damaged!
 The former sergeant reloads his shotgun.
 You hit the baron of hell. The baron of hell hits you.
 You hit the baron of hell. You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 360 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 318 of those were killed.
 2 of those were killed by something unknown.
 5 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 21 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 14 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 2 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 11 killed the bitch and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

--------------------------------------------------------------


The part that sucks the most is I didn't get credit for Specials found. Do I need to be wielding DS to get credit for Armorer Gold?

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Discussion / Found Dragonslayer but can't pick it up
« on: August 31, 2014, 10:28 »
I just found Dragonslayer, but I can't pick it up.(Ao666) What Gives?

I already tried picking it up with G and U(neither work), I unequipped everything and killed everything(I think I still have YAAM status atm)

I have 5 Theories:
1. I need to be wielding the Rocket Launcher first.(Unfortunately none of them have spawned on this floor and I don't have one in inventory)
2. I need to go grab that Berserk Pack at some point.
3. I can just descend the stairs and it'll either automatically equip or I can find it again on a later floor.
4. I should commit suicide through either using Q or by killing myself by lava/acid and it'll equip automatically.
5. I should either blow up all the barrels or use up all the powerups on the current floor.

Are any of my five theories true? Or are all of them false?

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I recently tried to figure out the timing of some actions and it came out all wrong with respect to what I observed in the game, so I gave up trying.  That being said...

You forgot to turn the Phaseshift boots into Anti-Gravity boots and then add an additional agility mod afterward.  :)

What a coincidence!  I just made a comic on that subject!  :D

The original post of this thread was actually inspired by that comic, tbh.

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Good Job! If you'd have doubled your dungeon level(with the same kill rate) and gotten to level 16, you'd have the Hobo Bronze Badge just like me!

And yes, I remember that you're the one who's notorious for being one of the few to lose a DoomRL Game to power failure.
Also, I just noticed that getting to level 8-9 on N! or even UV is harder than reaching 26 on HMP. I'll lower the requirement for Bronze/copper on UV/N! in future challenges(if i can come up with more)

Please note that I got the Bronze Hobo Badge the easy way: Level 26 on HMP. I'm currently playing as a Sharpshooter in Ao666 trying to get 3 things:
1. The Biggest F*ing Gun(BBFF)
2. The Experience Medal(Level 25)
3. At least the Lone Gunman Badge if not The Vash the Stampede Badge or YAAM.(Currently playing on HNTR)

Edit: Guess I'm not getting the Vash Badge. Has to be HMP or above. There's always Lone Gunman.

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Discussion / Limits to speed: Movement, Firing and Reloading
« on: August 30, 2014, 18:05 »
I currently have a 0.10s firing time from my pistols. Will one more level of finesse lower this, or will it be capped at 0.1s per shot?

I'm also wondering what the limits are to Fast Movement speeds, Firing Speeds and Reloading speeds. Do they Cap at 0.10s or can they be faster?

For those who want to have fun: Make a Bulk Modded Plasma Shotgun, make sure you do not have shottyman or reloader, unload the shotgun, grab invincibility, and Alternate Reload the Plasma Shotgun!

Or: Wear the Full Gothic set with no levels in hellrunner and use the run command to go all the way across the level!

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I'd like to try my hand at AoSh UV(possibly even N!). Will Intuition 2 start without AoMC be fine or too weak? Note that I probably wont be able to get shottyman until level 5.

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General Discussion / Re: Design Rant : Inventory
« on: August 30, 2014, 14:04 »
Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with both a list system or a grid diablo 3 system. If it's going to be the latter, then make it so we can rotate items, and also make all items either square or rectangular in space(as in No L-shapes or T-shapes). And don't have a ton of sellable weapons/armour drop that clog up the inventory with only 2-10 items. If there is no selling to shop in this game, then lots of weapon/armour drops wouldn't be a problem for me with the diablo/RE4 system. There can still be a buy from shop case(you can buy, but not sell) like in zelda.

One of the things I hated about diablo 2(not diablo 3) is that it only took 5-10 weapons/armour to clog the inventory, and the weapons/armour themselves are worth at least some money, and have lower quality gear than typical starting/commonly worn gear.

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General Discussion / Re: Design Rant : Inventory
« on: August 30, 2014, 12:15 »
Why not have a multi-list system that has 2-4 columns, and when the first column is full, use up the next column. If there's only 1 space left on the first column, the next BFG(or large slot item) goes on the next column, but the next ring(or small slot item) finishes the first column.

It looks kinda like this:
Code: [Select]
##Inventory#########################################
#Pistol==========#................#................#
#2d4===6/6=======#................#................#
#----------------#................#................#
#BFG 9000--------#................#................#
#----------------#................#................#
#12d9--100/100---#................#................#
#Ammo Box(9mm)===#................#................#
#250/250=========#................#................#
#Small Ring------#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
#................#................#................#
###################################45/54 Slots Left#
"-" and "=" are to distinguish different items that take up multiple slots.
In this case: BFG9k takes up 4 slots, Pistol takes 2, Ammo Box takes 2 and Small Ring takes up only 1.
When the First column is full(or almost full if you just picked up a big item that doesn't fit), it goes on the second column.

Edit: The Name text would obviously be replaced by a graphic of the said gun/item. Detail/name text can be placed on the item icon, with details in highlighted tooltip. The reason why the items don't have graphics in the above example is because it's ASCII, and it's super hard to draw a gun using only 2-4 lines, especially if there's going to be item text.

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Here's another YASD for the Same Challenge: Trying to cross lava just to get to a bridge is obviously suicide. There was one Napalm barrel on the bridge, and one tile of lava between land and the bridge. I stepped on the tile of lava at 80+% Health, then I was instakilled by a combo of Revenant Rocket, an exploding Napalm Barrel and standing in lava. At least I got farther than my MAD run.(quick speed is arguably better than slightly more damage) Also, I got Hobo Bronze and Copper as well. I know one of the attacks between the Mancubus and the Revenant missed, but i figured it was the mancubus that missed since revenants never miss.

Also, I'm no longer a Hell Baron after this Run. Now I'm the much-loathed Arch Vile.
--------------------------------------------------------------
 DoomRL (0.9.9.7) roguelike post-mortem character dump
--------------------------------------------------------------

 Ryan Stoutman,
 level 15 Hell Baron Major Scout,
 committed a stupid suicide on level 38 of Hell.
 He survived 144171 turns and scored 215635 points.
 He played for 3 hours, 31 minutes and 17 seconds.
 He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.

 He killed 855 out of 873 hellspawn. (97%)
 He held his right to remain violent.
 He was an Angel of Shotgunnery!
 He was also an Angel of 100!

 He saved himself 11 times.

-- Special levels --------------------------------------------

  Levels generated : 0
  Levels visited   : 0
  Levels completed : 0

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Copper Filthy Hobo Badge
  Bronze Hobo Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  #====#=........+|...=====.....=.=..==............+.........
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  #=======............======./===.===..............#.R......=
  #=====..............=======#.....#.....}.........#;...h..=.
  #====#..............=======#M....#...........0.=.#....##..=
  #====#..............=====..#.....#........A...=..#....##.R=
  #====#...........^.=====...#..&..+............=.&#...hh....
  #====#............=====....#.....#..0........==..#..R......
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  #====#0....>......======......|...0.........===.[#...=....h
  #====############.======+##/#####/##########===#+#=.=.=....
  #====#........^..=======....................==...==.=..==.B
  #====#...........=======..R...[....0.......==....#==...=...
  #====#............=====...M.^..0...........=.....===..=....
  #====#...^........=====.................===......#=====....
  ##################=====####################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 0/50   Experience 101926/15
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

  Class : Scout

    Finesse          (Level 3)
    Hellrunner       (Level 3)
    Reloader         (Level 3)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Shottyman        (Level 1)
    Shottyhead       (Level 1)

  Rel->Rel->SM->Fin->Jug->HR->MSh->HR->Fin->WK->WK->HR->Fin->Rel->DM->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   red armor [1/4] (25%) (A)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   assault shotgun (7d3) [6/6]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   tactical boots [0/0] (76%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   shell box (x91)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] shotgun (9d3) [1/1] (P1)
    [b] plasma shotgun (7d3) [30/30]
    [c] blue armor [2/2] (200%) (B)
    [d] red armor [6/6] (67%) (P)
    [e] red armor [4/4] (100%) (A)
    [f] power cell (x50)
    [g] power cell (x37)
    [h] power cell (x50)
    [i] small med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] phase device
    [n] phase device
    [o] homing phase device
    [p] envirosuit pack
    [q] power mod pack
    [r] power mod pack
    [s] power mod pack
    [t] firestorm weapon pack
    [u] phaseshift boots [4/4] (100%) (AT)
    [v] Nyarlaptotep's Boots [6/6] (100%)

-- Resistances -----------------------------------------------

    Fire       - internal 0%    torso 6%    feet 0%   

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    96 former humans
    90 former sergeants
    64 former captains
    95 imps
    90 demons
    133 lost souls
    28 cacodemons
    19 hell knights
    78 barons of hell
    40 arachnotrons
    6 former commandos
    16 pain elementals
    22 revenants
    18 mancubi
    46 arch-viles
    12 nightmare imps
    1 nightmare demon
    1 elite former human

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 6 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 7 he assembled a tactical shotgun!
  Level 24 was a hard nut to crack!
  On level 26 he assembled a tactical boots!
  On level 29 he found the Anti-Freak Jackal!
  On level 36 he was targeted for extermination!
  On level 36 he found the Nyarlaptotep's Boots!
  On level 38 he finally committed a stupid suicide.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You quickly reload the assault shotgun.
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : floor
 You quickly reload the assault shotgun.
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You see : floor
 There is power cell (x25) lying here.
 You found 25 of power cell.
 There is power cell (x25) lying here.
 You found 25 of power cell.
 There is a firestorm weapon pack lying here.
 You picked up a firestorm weapon pack.
 You open the door.
 Argh!!! Lava!
 The barrel explodes! Your red armor is damaged! Boom! You are hit! Your red
 armor is damaged! Boom! Argh!!! Lava! You die!... Press <Enter>...

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 357 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 315 of those were killed.
 2 of those were killed by something unknown.
 5 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 21 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 14 souls destroyed the Mastermind...
 2 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 11 killed the bitch and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart Hell itself.

--------------------------------------------------------------


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Discussion / Re: Tactical Shotgun vs Assault Shotgun
« on: August 29, 2014, 16:09 »
I'm going to drop the Tactical Shotgun in favour of Assault Shotgun since Assault Shotgun is moddable and Tactical Shotgun is not.
I'm probably going to use my Nanoshrapnel on a Regular Shotgun unless you recommend using it on a different shotgun.

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Discussion / Tactical Shotgun vs Assault Shotgun
« on: August 29, 2014, 15:41 »
Tactical Shotgun and Assault Shotgun both don't require pumping.
Tactical Shotgun deals slightly more damage then Assault Shotgun, but has 1 less shell capacity.

Which one is better?(Especially for Shottyheads)

Edit: I also wish to know which of these shotguns should I make nano shrapnel(super shotgun not available yet, would be the obvious choice though):
Tactical Shotgun
Assault Shotgun
Regular Shotgun
Plasma Shotgun
Combat Shotgun
Double Shotgun(I wouldn't recommend this for long range)

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General Discussion / Re: Design Rant : Inventory
« on: August 29, 2014, 14:36 »
I find the Slot+List system quite viable, as long as it doesn't have large numbers(or decimal numbers) like the ADOM Weight System. A pistol, for example, should be 1-8 slots, not 1750grams or stones or whatever. And Inventory space SHOULD have NO Impact on movement speed unless said inventory item is currently equipped. Volume-based inventory is always more preferred than weight-based in my opinion.

Reason for this: I Played ADOM, and found tonnes of weapons and armour I'd like to sell, but I always ended up overburdened, having to take multiple trips in and out of the dungeon just to sell stuff. Worst off, I could never run away from enemies because my inventory was usually full, and even worse, teleports are super rare in that game. I hate being forced to travel light just to have a combat advantage, especially with so many items that come from corpses(alot of them junk, such as rotten corpses or cursed items).

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I believe that if it counts against YAAM, then it should give experience. I hate it when Monster Spawning Levers never give experience. I used to farm them 1-3 times per lever until I found out that I wasn't getting any experience. But then again, Nightmare is supposed to be *technically* unfair.

I got a question though: is the difficulty difference between UV and N! greater in Classic Doom, Doom 2 or DoomRL?

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