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Requests For Features / Re: Medals
« on: March 05, 2008, 14:31 »That lightfoot badge thingy will be just a matter of luck with the random map seeder. Very nice ideas!
True! You have to decide between getting a badge and giving up a level's worth of XP, items, or more medals. What would you do if you also saw a "You sense something really valuable here...", but the stairs down with within sight. Haha
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Requests For Features / Medals
« on: March 04, 2008, 16:16 »
This thread is for the medal specific ideas discussed in the other thread.
Here are a few concepts so please comment. The names are in keeping with the Doom/Space/Mars theme.
Killing Cybie in consecutive games:
Phobos Cross - 2 consecutive games
Deimos Cross – 5 consecutive games
% kill situations:
Shadow Cluster - Winning the game with less than 10% kills
Xenophobe Shield – Winning the game with 100% kills
UAC Star (bronze cluster) – 20 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude special/PA/HF levels and level 1)
UAC Star (silver cluster) – 40 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude same)
UAC Star (gold cluster) – 60 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude same)
UAC Star (diamond cluster) – 100 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude same)
Consecutive kills without taking damage:
Legion of Mars (2nd class) – 25 kills without taking damage
Legion of Mars (1st class) – 50 kills without taking damage
Legion of Mars (with valor) – 100 kills without taking damage
Killing multiple enemies in one turn*:
Eye of Sol – 5 enemies
Harbinger Cross – 10 enemies
*Awards are not cumulative…if you kill 10 in one turn, you don’t get the award for 5.
Speed:
UAC Commendation Medal – Win with less than 20,000 turns
Lightfoot Badge – Finishing a level in 10 turns or less
Special Situations:
Blood Fist Ribbon - Kill 100 enemies in Melee in one game
MacGyver Badge– using 15 modifications in one game.
Demolition Badge – Destroying 750 sections of wall in one game
Gambler’s Shield – Pulling 20 different levers in a game
Scout’s Arrow – Visiting 6 special levels in one game (no win against Cybie necessary)
Aurora Medallion – Finding 3 uniques in a game (possible?)
Tyr’s Shield – Going Berserk 25 times in one game
Bravery Medal – Never putting on armor or boots in a game (must reach a hell level)
Green Sun Medal – Taking 300 HPS worth of damage in lava or toxic pools in one game
Twilight Heart – Reaching 1 HP on a particular level and SURVIVING to the next level
UAC Achievement Medal – Finishing a level with 100% kills AND not taking any damage (not level 1)
UAV Longevity Medal – Awarded for every 1000 levels finished
Kills types per game (Disabled for Ao100):
I was toying with the idea of titles (e.g. Spider-Slayer), rather than a medal..but its all the same.
Order of Arachnae – 50 arachnatrons in one game.
Order of Cerberus – Killing 25 Mancubi in one game
Order of Hel – Killing 10 Arch-Viles in one game
Bad medals:
Golden Safety Pin - Blowing yourself up with a barrel (after reaching at least character level 6?)
Black Hole Sun (haha) – Destroying a Unique
Add, subtract, delete, rename at will. The idea was to have another page on the player file that tracks all the medals awarded. This could probably be tied in to more unlockables as well.
Here are a few concepts so please comment. The names are in keeping with the Doom/Space/Mars theme.
Killing Cybie in consecutive games:
Phobos Cross - 2 consecutive games
Deimos Cross – 5 consecutive games
% kill situations:
Shadow Cluster - Winning the game with less than 10% kills
Xenophobe Shield – Winning the game with 100% kills
UAC Star (bronze cluster) – 20 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude special/PA/HF levels and level 1)
UAC Star (silver cluster) – 40 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude same)
UAC Star (gold cluster) – 60 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude same)
UAC Star (diamond cluster) – 100 consecutive levels @ 100% (exclude same)
Consecutive kills without taking damage:
Legion of Mars (2nd class) – 25 kills without taking damage
Legion of Mars (1st class) – 50 kills without taking damage
Legion of Mars (with valor) – 100 kills without taking damage
Killing multiple enemies in one turn*:
Eye of Sol – 5 enemies
Harbinger Cross – 10 enemies
*Awards are not cumulative…if you kill 10 in one turn, you don’t get the award for 5.
Speed:
UAC Commendation Medal – Win with less than 20,000 turns
Lightfoot Badge – Finishing a level in 10 turns or less
Special Situations:
Blood Fist Ribbon - Kill 100 enemies in Melee in one game
MacGyver Badge– using 15 modifications in one game.
Demolition Badge – Destroying 750 sections of wall in one game
Gambler’s Shield – Pulling 20 different levers in a game
Scout’s Arrow – Visiting 6 special levels in one game (no win against Cybie necessary)
Aurora Medallion – Finding 3 uniques in a game (possible?)
Tyr’s Shield – Going Berserk 25 times in one game
Bravery Medal – Never putting on armor or boots in a game (must reach a hell level)
Green Sun Medal – Taking 300 HPS worth of damage in lava or toxic pools in one game
Twilight Heart – Reaching 1 HP on a particular level and SURVIVING to the next level
UAC Achievement Medal – Finishing a level with 100% kills AND not taking any damage (not level 1)
UAV Longevity Medal – Awarded for every 1000 levels finished
Kills types per game (Disabled for Ao100):
I was toying with the idea of titles (e.g. Spider-Slayer), rather than a medal..but its all the same.
Order of Arachnae – 50 arachnatrons in one game.
Order of Cerberus – Killing 25 Mancubi in one game
Order of Hel – Killing 10 Arch-Viles in one game
Bad medals:
Golden Safety Pin - Blowing yourself up with a barrel (after reaching at least character level 6?)
Black Hole Sun (haha) – Destroying a Unique
Add, subtract, delete, rename at will. The idea was to have another page on the player file that tracks all the medals awarded. This could probably be tied in to more unlockables as well.
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Requests For Features / Re: Turning it up...
« on: March 04, 2008, 02:37 »I generally like this idea, but I'd need more fleshed out ideas, because balance here IS an issue. I was a great fan of all the "general" medal things.
Sounds like it's open season to start throw in ideas along these lines and refining them.
Lists of possible medals should be easy for everyone to come up with. I'll post some over the next few days.
The other items that challenge the balance are do-able...if we tread lightly.
More to come!
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Requests For Features / Re: Turning it up...
« on: March 03, 2008, 10:37 »Unique in Hell's Armory-No. For one, its already a good place to visit, for the mods, armor, and ammo. If done right you can also take very little or no damage to self in the process. For two, not only would it definatly not take 600 games 'perhaps as few as 50' to find a particular unique 5 times, if it was a powerful one, it'd make it so that just to win all you'd have to do was reach Hell's Armory.
Favorites-Good idea, if it was only a slight improvement, but starting with extra traits is essentially the same as starting at a higher level, definatly causing a balance issue.
Good points - These ideas are certainly balance changes targeted to advanced playerd who have paid their dues with many games. The end ideas, such as the number of games or the actual improvements, are up for debate. How many games should people be required to play to see these benefits? As tinyrodent pointed out, and through my own experience among my friends, people start hitting a wall at some point where the challenge becomes...a challenge. Now we don't want to create ways around the challenges, but we want to make sure that people keep trying! The more they try the more they should take away. It's a difficult task to balance
Ultimately these ideas are just a placeholder for everyone here at the forum to come up with new stat and enhancement ideas along these lines rather than coming up with more challenge modes. I wouldn't recommend just throwing those ideas up there with some serious research in how it affects gameplay balance.
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Requests For Features / Re: Turning it up...
« on: March 03, 2008, 10:16 »I like some of these ideas. For me the game has started to lose its appeal because the remaining items to unlock are too difficult. If I could get a little boost from uniques in the armory, or starting traits, maybe it would not feel as though I had hit a wall.
That's definitely part of the idea! Building in the capability to add these and similar features in the future should the players or the author want to have a quick balance tweak. Capture these and other similar stats can definitely amplify the game experience without throwing in every single idea out there (NetHack circa 2003, anyone?)
Great suggestions!! As the game is @ version 0.9.8.9 already, I think they would be great development-finishers =)
Absolutely. These kinds of changes are best made in the closing stages of development - after the core elements are already in place.
These are just examples for everyone to think about. What other kinds of things can we track, and how can they lead to meaningful gameplay enhancements?
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Requests For Features / Turning it up...
« on: March 02, 2008, 23:56 »
Hey all,
Long time Doom RL player and forum lost soul, I’d like to throw some ideas out there.
This is actually more of collaborative idea list that me and a few other guys threw together. I wanted to shy away from the “kitchen sink” approach because everyone here has already suggested 1000 good ideas for uniques or challenge modes. This is more focused on fundamentals of why this game is great and how we can turn it up a notch (hopefully!)
The best feature of DoomRL (other than the fact that…it’s DOOM and its RogueLike ;) ) is the “persistence”. Meaning the more you play, the more your efforts carry over in to the next game, and the more you get out of it…the game is not a one shot deal. I’m sure everyone here has been through the “just one more game…one more rank…” at 3AM syndrome. The unlockables that came out a year ago were a great way to go. The best features will reinforce the idea: The more you play, the more you should want to play.
So lets get down to it…
Gamers love performance metrics/measurements. Pick just about any game in any genre and it’s the performance metrics that people love to improve and show off. In DoomRL we love our frags, we love our ranks, we love the challenge modes we unlock, and we love the Post-Mortems (like all RL games). Gamers are statisticians in their own world!
Let’s add a few dimensions of stats to DoomRL and from there we can add a host of new features (if practical). The goal here should tie the statistics back to the idea of a “persistent” game profile. We should want to improve them!
Some ideas include:
*Uniques/Artifacts discovered – Each game already tracks the artifacts discovered in that game. Make this a profile variable for use in a future possible feature discussed below.
*Consecutive Kills – A counter for each game that tracks the number of kills you have made without taking damage. Basically a ‘badass’ metric that will complement a BFG user ;). When you take damage, the counter resets, but the highest number it ever reaches is saved and there should be a profile maximum.
*Weapon usage – Track the weapons fired/used to determine “favorite weapon” at the end of every game. Make profile variables to determine how many times each weapon is tagged as a favorite across the careers of all our Doom marines.
*Level Upgrades – Track which upgrades the player chooses at each level. For instance, my profile know how many times I’ve chosen Eagle Eye. An example of a feature based on these stats is below.
*Levels Completed – Simple variable to track how many levels the player has finished. Some gameplay enhancements can be based off of the number of levels the player has survived in total. This would probably not be directly reported to the player in any stats screen, but it would be reserved for longevity rewards.
Once we have all these metrics, we can translate them in to meaningful game enhancements beyond simply throwing the stats back to the player. Here are a few of the simple ideas:
*Add a new page to the profile of the character that lists the Uniques/Artifacts that they have discovered over their many lifetimes of marines. If they haven’t discovered any, then have a big list of ----Not Discovered---- spaces on that page. I know if I saw a big list of stuff I haven’t done yet, I would definitely keep playing until that list is filled out! Perhaps you could bring up the stats of each item IF you have discovered them as well
*To take the above idea further…If the game tracks that a player has discovered a particular unique many times (say 5) , then this artifact can be guaranteed to spawn in Hell’s Armory – This would give the armory a more comprehensive purpose as well. Any player that has discovered the minigun 5 times is probably on his 600th game anyway and is reaching for the highest ranks/skill levels. This can help close the gap for advanced players who feel that the game gets ridiculously impossible to advance at a point.
*Medal system. If we have performance statistics, then medals are a good way to reward people who push the limits. Seriously, if someone score 30 consecutive kills as mentioned above, they should get a medal. A medal case can be another interesting screen in the player profile and would definitely be something we could share with others on the forum. Longevity medals can tie in with the levels completed statistic mentioned above. I know you guys can probably think of MANY different circumstances that deserve a medal (beating cybie in consecutive games, getting 100% kills, etc). Obviously Save-scumming will be an issue here.
*Favorites. We’re now tracking favorite weapons and favorite level upgrades, so lets put this to use. Lets say a person has been tagged as having shotguns favorited 50 times over his career. At this point it would make sense that this marine should start with a benefit to using shotguns (say a faster reload or fire rate). This person is probably already an advanced rank and is trying to get to the top. Likewise anyone who has picked TaN as a level upgrade say 500 times (over 150 full games), should probably start the game with TaN level 1 from now on. There should be minimum standards to prevent someone from just leveling once and dying to pump up these stats.
Some of these ideas may put the game balance in question, especially when we’re talking permanent upgrades to ‘new games’. It seems like a good idea to reward players who continue to play over and over again. A lot of my friends out here confirm that the game “bogs down” or progression gets so slow that they stop playing until the new version comes out…and even then they cant access new features because they cant seem to unlock them without resorting to save-scumming.
The whole idea here guys is to strengthen the ties between each individual game played to the game as a whole, much like when the rank/skill system was introduced. The more you play, the more you should be rewarded.
These are only a small list of the ideas but this post is getting waaay to long so please share your thoughts!
Cheers!
Long time Doom RL player and forum lost soul, I’d like to throw some ideas out there.
This is actually more of collaborative idea list that me and a few other guys threw together. I wanted to shy away from the “kitchen sink” approach because everyone here has already suggested 1000 good ideas for uniques or challenge modes. This is more focused on fundamentals of why this game is great and how we can turn it up a notch (hopefully!)
The best feature of DoomRL (other than the fact that…it’s DOOM and its RogueLike ;) ) is the “persistence”. Meaning the more you play, the more your efforts carry over in to the next game, and the more you get out of it…the game is not a one shot deal. I’m sure everyone here has been through the “just one more game…one more rank…” at 3AM syndrome. The unlockables that came out a year ago were a great way to go. The best features will reinforce the idea: The more you play, the more you should want to play.
So lets get down to it…
Gamers love performance metrics/measurements. Pick just about any game in any genre and it’s the performance metrics that people love to improve and show off. In DoomRL we love our frags, we love our ranks, we love the challenge modes we unlock, and we love the Post-Mortems (like all RL games). Gamers are statisticians in their own world!
Let’s add a few dimensions of stats to DoomRL and from there we can add a host of new features (if practical). The goal here should tie the statistics back to the idea of a “persistent” game profile. We should want to improve them!
Some ideas include:
*Uniques/Artifacts discovered – Each game already tracks the artifacts discovered in that game. Make this a profile variable for use in a future possible feature discussed below.
*Consecutive Kills – A counter for each game that tracks the number of kills you have made without taking damage. Basically a ‘badass’ metric that will complement a BFG user ;). When you take damage, the counter resets, but the highest number it ever reaches is saved and there should be a profile maximum.
*Weapon usage – Track the weapons fired/used to determine “favorite weapon” at the end of every game. Make profile variables to determine how many times each weapon is tagged as a favorite across the careers of all our Doom marines.
*Level Upgrades – Track which upgrades the player chooses at each level. For instance, my profile know how many times I’ve chosen Eagle Eye. An example of a feature based on these stats is below.
*Levels Completed – Simple variable to track how many levels the player has finished. Some gameplay enhancements can be based off of the number of levels the player has survived in total. This would probably not be directly reported to the player in any stats screen, but it would be reserved for longevity rewards.
Once we have all these metrics, we can translate them in to meaningful game enhancements beyond simply throwing the stats back to the player. Here are a few of the simple ideas:
*Add a new page to the profile of the character that lists the Uniques/Artifacts that they have discovered over their many lifetimes of marines. If they haven’t discovered any, then have a big list of ----Not Discovered---- spaces on that page. I know if I saw a big list of stuff I haven’t done yet, I would definitely keep playing until that list is filled out! Perhaps you could bring up the stats of each item IF you have discovered them as well
*To take the above idea further…If the game tracks that a player has discovered a particular unique many times (say 5) , then this artifact can be guaranteed to spawn in Hell’s Armory – This would give the armory a more comprehensive purpose as well. Any player that has discovered the minigun 5 times is probably on his 600th game anyway and is reaching for the highest ranks/skill levels. This can help close the gap for advanced players who feel that the game gets ridiculously impossible to advance at a point.
*Medal system. If we have performance statistics, then medals are a good way to reward people who push the limits. Seriously, if someone score 30 consecutive kills as mentioned above, they should get a medal. A medal case can be another interesting screen in the player profile and would definitely be something we could share with others on the forum. Longevity medals can tie in with the levels completed statistic mentioned above. I know you guys can probably think of MANY different circumstances that deserve a medal (beating cybie in consecutive games, getting 100% kills, etc). Obviously Save-scumming will be an issue here.
*Favorites. We’re now tracking favorite weapons and favorite level upgrades, so lets put this to use. Lets say a person has been tagged as having shotguns favorited 50 times over his career. At this point it would make sense that this marine should start with a benefit to using shotguns (say a faster reload or fire rate). This person is probably already an advanced rank and is trying to get to the top. Likewise anyone who has picked TaN as a level upgrade say 500 times (over 150 full games), should probably start the game with TaN level 1 from now on. There should be minimum standards to prevent someone from just leveling once and dying to pump up these stats.
Some of these ideas may put the game balance in question, especially when we’re talking permanent upgrades to ‘new games’. It seems like a good idea to reward players who continue to play over and over again. A lot of my friends out here confirm that the game “bogs down” or progression gets so slow that they stop playing until the new version comes out…and even then they cant access new features because they cant seem to unlock them without resorting to save-scumming.
The whole idea here guys is to strengthen the ties between each individual game played to the game as a whole, much like when the rank/skill system was introduced. The more you play, the more you should be rewarded.
These are only a small list of the ideas but this post is getting waaay to long so please share your thoughts!
Cheers!