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Title: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 08, 2013, 13:08
Inspired by another discussion about medals (http://rhttp://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6312.0.html), and having had doubts about certain medals before, I'd thought I might as well set up a poll about it. I've selected the 10 medals I have least confidence in, and some of you will likely sooner see others disappear, but hey, it's my poll.

A bit of background as to why these 10:
Cyberdemon's Head + Mastermind's Brain: I have earned a combined total of 8 of these in 20 games, 7 of which due to invulnerability. One lucky sphere - which is actually pretty common - and you're there. Hell, you get a free Mastermind's Brain with every full win.

Gambler's Shield
: Is this actually possible? I don't believe I've ever seen a non-A100 game with this many levers in it, let alone I felt lucky/stupid enough to pull them all.

Gutts' Heart+Grammaton Cleric Cross: Being able to lift the DS should be worth a medal in itself; slaying the Mastermind with it would be the only logical result, I guess. Shooting (not even killing?) the MM with the GCB is only a matter of actually finding a GCB in a standard game (the only 2 I ever found were on A100), too arbitrary.

Thomas's Medal+Every Soldier's Medal+Spider Killer's Cross: Earning the first nearly automatically means earning the other 2 as well - at least it used to on 0996. Now it's only a matter of lucky level spawns. And besides that, it's kinda insane. Spider Killer could be done with a lucky invulnerability - I did the Spider's Lair on AoMC today thanks to exactly that - most other levels.....*shudders.

Iron Skull: blegh. No further explanation needed.

Hell Arena Pwnage Medal: Come on. The Arena on N! is enough of a challenge as is. Not suffering damage whilst trying to get shot in order to destroy corpses... nuff said.

These are my poorly phrased opinions, feel free to disagree. With all the creativity floating around the forum, though, I think we can come up with some better medals than these.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Matt_S on April 08, 2013, 13:24
Gambler's shield.  Definitely.

The dragon slayer reference really makes me want to comment, but I'm obliged to keep my mouth shut :(
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: ParaSait on April 08, 2013, 13:33
The head & brain requirements should be altered so it becomes without getting HIT, regardless of damage, and no bomb.
Gambler's shield needs to be less demanding. Levers also need to be less risky. :P (seriously, who in in his right mind EVER uses levers without intuition?)
Iron skull should be less demanding too.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: White Rider on April 08, 2013, 13:36
I voted Gambler's Shield and Iron Skull.

I guess the point of Gambler's Shield is to pull random levers, which is kinda subverted if you have one point into Intuition, since you know the effects of the random levers that you're randomly pulling.

Iron Skull seems like a grind to get, and funnily enough, you can't get it in the modes where the game turns into a grind. (Ao100/Ar666)

Also, I've gotten Cyberdemon's Head and Mastermind's Brain without invulnerability, in the form of Gunrunner + Missile Launcher for Cybie, and Gunrunner + Super Shotgun for Mastermind. I've only gotten Shambler's Head once though, and it was straight-up luck...though Gunrunner may have been involved. Don't remember.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 08, 2013, 13:42
Hmm.. I voted Iron Skull since that's something that's never going to happen on accident. Pulling levers is FUN, and with the new special levels, I think there might be plenty of space to get 25, though maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: AlterAsc on April 08, 2013, 13:43
Iron Skull. There's only one way to achieve it and it's extremely boring.
Getting gambler's shield requires either abusing or boring counting.
I see no problem in other badges.
Well, HA Pwnage is hard to get (i still don't have it), but why not?
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Rajhin on April 08, 2013, 13:47
Srsly guys, I was the only one who voted for Gutt's heart? You need to spawn DS (and that is... difficult), wield it and then go not for A, but for poor SM? It doesn't have any sense.
GCB cross\Gambler shield is just for random. Nothing interesting or challenging.

Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: AlterAsc on April 08, 2013, 14:00
To go for A, you also need BA. Oh, and you also need random nuke. Remember that you can't overload anything if you got DS. And if you're talking about guaranteed DS&BA - people who can pull this thing off can do it again.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Matt_S on April 08, 2013, 14:15
Remember that you can't overload anything if you got DS.
:o I never thought about that before.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 08, 2013, 14:31
The dragon slayer reference really makes me want to comment, but I'm obliged to keep my mouth shut :(

Good, although it annoys me not being able to wield DS, this is the one thing I wouldn't want spoiled. But my point is: killing MM with the DS pales in comparison to being able to wield it (unless there's some other secret I'm totally missing, but then I wouldn't know that).

Well, HA Pwnage is hard to get (i still don't have it), but why not?

'Hard to get' is a bit of an understatement I guess. And there's difficult badges and medals aplenty. The point of my inclusion is that, as with Iron Skull, this medal makes an entire game hang on just 1 little point (luckily on dlev2 instead of halfway through the game, but still): you enter the Arena and
1) you get hit and start again
2) you don't get hit, clear the Arena and the rest of the run is pointless. Personally, I'd jump into the nearest pool of lava and get it over with just to make sure my computer doesn't crash and lose my medal. But that's because what I named '2)' is more likely to be '2153)', with attempts 1 through 2152 having failed.
It's just no fun, same as Iron Skull.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 08, 2013, 14:41
'Hard to get' is a bit of an understatement I guess. And there's difficult badges and medals aplenty. The point of my inclusion is that, as with Iron Skull, this medal makes an entire game hang on just 1 little point (luckily on dlev2 instead of halfway through the game, but still): you enter the Arena and
1) you get hit and start again
2) you don't get hit, clear the Arena and the rest of the run is pointless. Personally, I'd jump into the nearest pool of lava and get it over with just to make sure my computer doesn't crash and lose my medal. But that's because what I named '2)' is more likely to be '2153)', with attempts 1 through 2152 having failed.
It's just no fun, same as Iron Skull.

Would you believe I got this medal while going for something completely different? Edit: And we're talking about a medal which, when I learned what it is for, I had to look up a youtube video demonstrating it or I wouldn't have believed it can be done.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: AlterAsc on April 08, 2013, 14:42
Well, it's definitely not pointless if you aim for DS in UC or one of low/no-damage badges. Also your logic could be applied to any badge that doesn't require you to win - but it's not like you need to suicide after that immediately.
And the fact that there's plent of difficult badges doesn't mean that number of them should be limited.
Iron Skull unlike HA Pwnge requires no skill.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Evilpotatoe on April 08, 2013, 14:55
Voted shield & skull coz it's only luck & unskill reward (you're not supposed to try to max damages taken -.-) I guess MvM + pain elemental is the only serious "strategy" to get this crap, so, I'll just never get it.

Also voted against GCB cross, since I got it on one of my first games (completely randomly) and won't get it anymore.
I'm sure I could get it easily with a nuke, though... but why not a medal for killing the mastermind with a napalm launcher or the mega blaster ?


AoHu medals don't seem too useful to me either, since they are too redudant.

Gutt's heart ? Well, I'd rather remove (or document) the dragonslayer itself. I don't see the point of such "mysteries".

Fully agree with the idea to change how head & brain work. Currently, we get most of them through invulnerability globes, they aren't relevant.


Hell's arena pwnage medal is the only one I love among thoses. I don't remember if I manage to get it outside of AoMC (which is so lame...), but it really needs playing carefully.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 09, 2013, 00:27
And the fact that there's plent of difficult badges doesn't mean that number of them should be limited.

No argument there - although for slow learners like myself, some of them (like HA Pwnage) seem too daunting. For the record, I voted for Gambler's Shield, Iron Skull and GC Cross, because there is indeed no skill involved in winning them.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: MaiZure on April 09, 2013, 00:41
I like shinies - no vote from me!

I don't see any problem with measuring the weird and wild. I guess it would annoy people with the completionist OCD, but arguing about irrelevant medals seems...irrelevant.

I won't get more than 30 medals ever, but seeing 30/32 or 30/48 feels the same to me. I got 30! woohoo!
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 09, 2013, 00:46
I guess it would annoy people with the completionist OCD

Erm... eh... that's to say... hehehe :S
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Fanta Hege on April 09, 2013, 01:09
Honestly speaking Gut's hearth is probably the only one I feel bit "eh" about
Killing mastermind is nothing compared to actually weilding the damn thing. You'll kill the thing if you get it up in a regular game 99% surely.

Iron skull might look like bit too demanding at first, but honestly speaking, as I've actually been trying to get this medal for a while now, will have to say that I wouldn't mind if its recruitment was lowered but I dont really see a need to remove it.
Forcing yourself through soaking all of the damage is a fun little challenge, though a real bitch when you get to deimos.

Gambler shield I could maybe agree on as pulling 25 in one game is really unlikely, unless it counts special level levers? I don't actually know I've never tried this badge so its hard to take a stance for it. It is just one of those medals that might have too high recruitment
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 09, 2013, 04:07
Gambler shield I could maybe agree on as pulling 25 in one game is really unlikely, unless it counts special level levers? I don't actually know I've never tried this badge so its hard to take a stance for it. It is just one of those medals that might have too high recruitment

It does. Chained court has 3, Phobos Lab two, I think, Deimos Lab a whopping 6, City of Skulls has one, and Dis has two, though the second one might get removed once you open the arena, I'm not sure. With these levels you have 14 already, which leaves 11 for the rest of the game if you're lucky with special levels.

Oh, and health, armour, or enemy spawning levers can give you up to 3 pulls. It's not that hard to get, if you plan your game around it. You should definitely get Intuition and some sort of perfect foot protection, so you can pull the ones that flood the whole level. I did it the hard way in 996, I believe, and there was a lot less guaranteed levers in the special levels.

Hmm... I think I'll try to get this badge when I get home, just to prove it's not hard to get =)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Radagast on April 09, 2013, 04:13
Gambler's shield is actually bugged and I got it by mistake in my first full run afair.
I just kept pressing the lever in Dis I think, cause I thought something might happen.
Was a cateye run, so I had used many levers in other levels as well. I'm pretty sure it would be more difficult without this "accident" btw, which seems like an exploit now that I think about it.

Anyway voted for iron skull obviously. It's too much of a "silly" strategicless grind if you ask me. Bored to do it. Like hell.
Guts heart is kinda silly as well since that weapon is uber hard to find anyway. Many of us have never even managed to encounter it in our runs.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 09, 2013, 04:23
Yeah, there was a bug which allowed you to press the levers in Dis and the one in Hell's Armoury as long as you wanted and it counted. It's been fixed AFAIK, though.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Radagast on April 09, 2013, 04:28
A ok, I didn't know it was fixed in latest version missed that.

Also wanted to mention that Cyberdemon and Mastermind brains are quite easy to get and also exploitable. IMO there should be strict rules to get these such as:

All of the following conditions must be met to get the boss medals:

In one sentence:
COMPLETE the level without nukes, without getting hit or damaged.

Finally for the GCB make the medal so that:
You have to kill the Spider mastermind by ONLY using the GCB beretta. No other weapons.
There, fixed. Now that's better.

This will make the medals actually somewhat challenging.
Now they are more of a cakewalk. xD
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: SageAcrin on April 09, 2013, 09:19
No option for Fallout Gold/Platinum? The medals that literally exist to show the world that you got really lucky and got to skip a whole lot of floors?

:(

Voted for Gutt's Heart/Iron Skull/Gambler's Shield. Gambler's Shield requires you to play negatively on purpose(not judging the switches, just randomly mashing them) and since mashing switches randomly can kill you randomly, but probably won't, this is less hard and more RNG. Iron Skull requires specific build boring degenerate play, from what I've heard.

Gutt's Heart...I'm not as fretted about Dragonslayer as some people. But simply getting Dragonslayer, and being able to equip it, probably means you're going to clear on whatever difficulty you're on, given the range of floors it can appear at and how powerful it is. That's not really something that needs a medal, and Dragonslayer wearers already get the entry in their uniques anyways to note that they did it. (And there's another medal related to Dragonslayer, I think.) So ehn, seems kinda trite. At least Cleric Cross means you may have had to swap to a pistol to finish off Mastermind, which is at least a little annoying...
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 09, 2013, 09:22
That's not really something that needs a medal, and Dragonslayer wearers already get the entry in their uniques anyways to note that they did it.

I heard you get an entry to the uniques list even if you just try to wield it without success.

And the fallout crosses? We need one for nuking 15 levels, that's for sure =P
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Rajhin on April 09, 2013, 09:26
I heard you get an entry to the uniques list even if you just try to wield it without success.
It worked that way in .996.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Thomas on April 09, 2013, 10:05
No-one better have voted for my goddamn-

oh hey, cool

Iron Skull sucks, I proposed the idea without really knowing how much damage I normally take in my runs and figured "10000 is probably a good estimate for a clumsy Vampyre AoB 100%" when it was really closer to 3000 or so.

(my original proposal for Untouchables was also high - Kornel changed 1000/600/300 to 500/200/50)

Gutts' Heart is stupid. The Dragonslayer still curses on equip, right? So once you pick it up you literally cannot avoid getting this medal (well, you could die, but death is very easy to avoid when you have such a powerful weapon)

Hell Arena Pwnage is a pet peeve of mine. I really don't like playing Nightmare! for 90%+ kills, let alone actually trying to clear something completely. Without taking damage.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 09, 2013, 11:35
No-one better have voted for my goddamn-

Yeah, sorry bout that :)

No option for Fallout Gold/Platinum?

Hadn't given them that much thought. In hindsight, they are indeed luck based all the way, but less 'flip-a-coin' than GC Cross, Cyberdemon's Head or Mastermind's Brain (yes I realize the latter two can be done purely on gameplay as well, but like I said, chances that you find that 1 lucky Invul are just too high - up to 6 lucky invuls or perfectly placed stairs + a trigun or a small herd of nukes is a different story already).

I heard you get an entry to the uniques list even if you just try to wield it without success.

That is so 0996. No seriously, I ran into DS a couple of runs back and it didn't register. Dangdest.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: White Rider on April 09, 2013, 13:05
Has anyone ever wielded the Dragonslayer and died before getting to Mastermind?
I think I have as much of an issue (for the lack of a better word) with Gutt's Heart as I do with the GC Cross, as they're both "find an item and kill the 'last' boss with it". Though in contrast, I quite like Malicious Knives Cross/Sunrise Iron Fist/"YAAM on some challenge" badge, since those require a different style of play, and maybe even use one or two weapons (or no weapons!).

Maybe we should have a medal that requires having a certain percentage of kills that you weren't the direct cause of...

No option for Fallout Gold/Platinum?

I'd say the only reliable way to get Fallout Gold/Platinum is the Trigun early enough, knowing what the Angel Arm does, and knowing how to survive it. It's certainly more reliable than waiting for the RNG gods to hand you nukes.
After that it's a matter of asking yourself, "Do I want to explode a chunk of the Phobos Base, and possibly miss out on heals, mod packs, ammo, armors...all of which I won't need--but get a floor's worth of EXP for a measly 5 maxHP? And then repeat this for some shinies on my player profile?"
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 09, 2013, 13:14
After that it's a matter of asking yourself, "Do I want to explode a chunk of the Phobos Base, and possibly miss out on heals, mod packs, ammo, armors...all of which I won't need--but get a floor's worth of EXP for a measly 5 maxHP? And then repeat this for some shinies on my player profile?"

YES! (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6323.0.html)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Solarn on April 09, 2013, 15:03
The problem I see here is that medals have very variable difficulty. Some are intended to be fairly easy to get and some will only ever be achieved by the top players, while some are simply luck-based. I honestly have no problem with any of them. I know I will likely never get the Hell Arena Pwnage Medal or Thomas' Medal, but that doesn't make me want to get rid of them because they were never intended for me. Similarly, I will probably never have the patience for Gambler's Shield, but that doesn't make it any less valid.

So no, I don't think any medals need to be removed.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: SageAcrin on April 09, 2013, 15:08
That is so 0996. No seriously, I ran into DS a couple of runs back and it didn't register. Dangdest.

I can confirm this for this version-I found it once, poked at it a while, decided it wasn't worth time I'd rather spend playing the game to figure out, and wandered off. Despite trying a dozen or so times to pick it up, no register for me.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Thomas on April 10, 2013, 01:51
The problem I see here is that medals have very variable difficulty. Some are intended to be fairly easy to get and some will only ever be achieved by the top players, while some are simply luck-based. I honestly have no problem with any of them. I know I will likely never get the Hell Arena Pwnage Medal or Thomas' Medal, but that doesn't make me want to get rid of them because they were never intended for me. Similarly, I will probably never have the patience for Gambler's Shield, but that doesn't make it any less valid.

So no, I don't think any medals need to be removed.

Removing them based on difficulty is silly, yeah, but Iron Skull in particular needs either a large numerical change or removal simply because the only way to get it is to hang around in City of Skulls/Abyssal Plains for a few hours as a Vampyre marine. No skill or even luck involved, you just play for 4-5 hours and you get it.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: ZicherCZ on April 10, 2013, 02:10
Voted for Iron Skull and Gambler's Shield.
The reasons for this vote are pretty similar to what everyone else already said.
Iron Skull is a pure grind - you would have to lose and heal all your HP over eight times per level on average (not counting special levels - but even with all of them, it's still almost six times per level). No skill involved, no luck involved, it's simply an achievement for the sake of achievement.
Gambler's Shield is similar. Int1 at least is nearly a must there, cerberus boots or Enviroboots can help a lot here. But even then, it's one lever per level, and there are not that many games in which you can get this many levers generated at first.

The other medals either require some (serious) skill, or some luck, which I consider playable, and I'm fine with them.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Solarn on April 10, 2013, 05:03
Removing them based on difficulty is silly, yeah, but Iron Skull in particular needs either a large numerical change or removal simply because the only way to get it is to hang around in City of Skulls/Abyssal Plains for a few hours as a Vampyre marine. No skill or even luck involved, you just play for 4-5 hours and you get it.
Okay, that's true. I never even thought about Iron Skull before. That really needs to change.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: White Rider on April 10, 2013, 15:06
YES! (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6323.0.html)

I think you just made your point that Fallout Gold Platinum is more fun to get than Gambler's Shield, despite you originally setting out to get Gambler's Shield. ;)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 10, 2013, 15:10
Yea, I knew I'll be killing the argument I was supposed to make with that run, but it was so worth it.

Gambler's Shield on my first attempt which didn't get sidetracked by extreme nukage.
http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6328.0.html (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6328.0.html)

It might be that I got lucky, but I don't think GS is nearly as luck-based as it seems.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: grommile on April 10, 2013, 18:40
It might be that I got lucky, but I don't think GS is nearly as luck-based as it seems.
In the best case (assuming you skip the Arena), hitting the special levels nets you 17 levers (CC 3, PLab 3, DLab 6, Skulls 1, Limbo 4). In the worst (still assuming you skip the Arena), hitting the special levels nets you four (CC 3, Armory 1).
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 11, 2013, 00:11
Don't forget the two levers in Dis...
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 11, 2013, 02:10
I can confirm that it is possible to pull both of the levers. So in the best-case scenario you only have to find 7 levers (something that can sometimes be done on a single floor). Obviously, if RNG hates you, you won't get the medal, but seeing that I did it on my first try, I'd say the odds are not that bad.

My game gave me 12 levers in special levels, while 6 are guaranteed every game. It could have generated 7 more for me in the special levels (which would put the final tally to 35 levers pulled. If I was quite unlucky, I would only have 22 levers pulled at the end. Not enough, but close, and there are runs with a lot more levers than this one.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: White Rider on April 11, 2013, 12:18
Doesn't Mt. Erebus also have levers? At least 2 or 3, even?

Bah, maybe Gambler's Shield was difficult on 0.9.9.6, and now it seems feasible. That'll be my project this weekend.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 11, 2013, 12:35
Doesn't Mt. Erebus also have levers? At least 2 or 3, even?

Good one, I think you're right. Good thing I made the poll so you can still change your vote :)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: White Rider on April 11, 2013, 13:18
Good one, I think you're right. Good thing I made the poll so you can still change your vote :)

Yeah, I changed my vote. Still think Iron Skull could be changed to a lower damage requirement, and also voted on Gutts' Heart and GC Cross...though I have an idea on how to get GC Cross semi-reliably... *cough*

Also, I wanted to clarify: GC Cross says you "shoot the mastermind with GCB", but I believe it's "kill mastermind with GCB" ? I had a run with GCB and I definitely shot the mastermind with it, but killed it with something else.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 11, 2013, 13:53
Also, I wanted to clarify: GC Cross says you "shoot the mastermind with GCB", but I believe it's "kill mastermind with GCB" ? I had a run with GCB and I definitely shot the mastermind with it, but killed it with something else.

I believe I recently saw a mortem of a run ending in Dis, where the GC Cross was earned, but the GCD wasn't the weapon wielded at the time of victory.
To be honest, I don't think I'd take any chances.

And in regard to changing my vote: it seems that Gambler's Shield is within better reach than it was on 0996, but still: let's say you have the most fortuitous spawn of lever laden levels, then it runs the total to 21-22 regular levers; this leaves 4 or 5 to be pulled additionally. That makes it even less a gamble and more an RNG-fest; another no skill, pure luck thing. It may be easier to obtain, but still no more fun, IMO.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: White Rider on April 12, 2013, 12:28
I just got GC Cross, and it says "Mastermind killed with Cleric Baretta" on the medals page. Well, the more you know, I guess...
GCB is a hilarious weapon.

Bonus screencap: I had a mind to start/savescum Hell's Armory until a GCB happened--oh never mind
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: grommile on April 17, 2013, 06:57
A thing I just noticed about Iron Skull:

It's actually sane and reasonable on Ao666 (if one admits of Ao666 being sane and reasonable, which is an open question) - it works out as 15 damage per level (well, 15.015... to be precise).

I still think it's a terrible idea and should go :)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 17, 2013, 07:06
A thing I just noticed about Iron Skull:

It's actually sane and reasonable on Ao666

That's why you cannot get it on Ao666 (or Ao100 for that matter)... =)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 17, 2013, 07:55
And now for the fun part of the discussion: what alternatives can we come up with? Anything goes, from the genius to the outright rediculous.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Evilpotatoe on April 17, 2013, 08:15
Fallout angelic cross, definitly ! (10 nuked levels sounds fine to me)

Maybe one or several pacifist cross, for killing as few enemies as possible

I'd be tempted by some "lucker" medal, like "felt 3 times or more under 5 hp". Btw, this one wouldn't be interesting in term of challenge, but could be a nice ornament to runs with real close situations.

Something for gibbing everything ? Wait... it's completely retarded.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 17, 2013, 08:43
Fallout angelic cross, definitly ! (10 nuked levels sounds fine to me)

Maybe one or several pacifist cross, for killing as few enemies as possible

I'd be tempted by some "lucker" medal, like "felt 3 times or more under 5 hp". Btw, this one wouldn't be interesting in term of challenge, but could be a nice ornament to runs with real close situations.

Something for gibbing everything ? Wait... it's completely retarded.

Nice suggestions! Not long ago I would think that another Fallout medal is a stupid idea, but seeing that I would have already earned twice...

Anyway:

Die Hard Medal: Awarded for winning the game without wearing any boots.
Nudist Cross: Winning the game without wearing any armour
Pacifism Cross: Finish the game with less than 1% kills. (Free with Pacifist Angelic badge, but possible to gain in other ways (http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php/topic,6119.0.html)).
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: MaiZure on April 17, 2013, 08:51
Die Hard Medal: Awarded for winning the game without wearing any boots.
Nudist Cross: Winning the game without wearing any armour

Back before the wiki was kept up to date (.992,.993) - I was hunting for the secret medals and I attempted these very things. Sadly nothing happened.
Hey we may as well go all in and say with the game with every slot being empty (weapon, armor, feet, prepared)
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Evilpotatoe on April 17, 2013, 09:19
2Dev's medal
Win the game damageless on N! AAoHu/100% under 4 minutes as die hard nudist conqueror using fist only

Hmm... might be too hard.

But y, I like the idea of a "naked" medal. maybe the same for both boots & armor, no ?
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: LuckyDee on April 17, 2013, 09:43
Die Hard Medal: Awarded for winning the game without wearing any boots.

I like the reference :) Personally I was thinking of something like the 'Evil Dead Medal', for beating the Mastermind with a double shotgun and a chainsaw in the prepared slot.
Title: Re: Poll: which medals can we do without?
Post by: Klear on April 17, 2013, 09:43
die hard nudist conqueror

I love this.

But y, I like the idea of a "naked" medal. maybe the same for both boots & armor, no ?

Makes sense, but... I really want there to be a Die Hard medal, especially since I saw the movie again, in a theatre, from 70 mm film.

@Lucky
As far as Evil Dead references go, there needs to be a Boomstick uniue shotgun. Damn, why didn't I make this happen during the last fundraiser?