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My best character, and first to enter hell got killed when a baron used a rocket launcher on me and i died instantly.

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Discussion / Funny thing at the Wall.
« on: November 07, 2005, 18:20 »
I know, I know, how can anything funny happen at the Wall? But it did.

I entered with only 4 rockets and a load of doubt. I breached the wall with no rockets left :(. I moved up till I saw the enemy. I freaked out then used my phase device. I ended up RIGHT behind them. I could see 3 hell knights and 2 or 3 Barons. I thought it was over. So I decided to run for this door I saw. The knights engaded me in melee the entire way, and the barons and other hell knights totaly fragged eachother. NOTHING hit me. It was almost as if it sparked a war between them.

By the time i was near the door there was only a knight and baron left. I took out the chain gun because I knew the double shotty was too slow. I chaingunned the knight because he was closest. But the Baron fireballed him because he was in my way. Then I took out the baron rather easily. Because Iron man lvl3 and TaN level 2 with blue armor is GOD :D.

I grabbed the advanced launcher proclaiming my victory. Took the ammo. Ran out, I heard ALOT more roars. I freaked again. I only had about 63% health. So I camped and waited for them to come in view. As soon as they did BOOM. And they get pushed out of my view. They got me a few times but eventually I got them all. Then I exited and promptly died the next level at the very start because I only had 10% health :-P.

So dev's, what happened there ha, did they attack eachother on purpose? or did they just get stuck in the crossfire?

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Pre-0.9.9 / I won finally
« on: November 06, 2005, 17:51 »
Heh, one time I found an extended combat shotty. 8 shells, beat that!

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Discussion / Tips
« on: October 31, 2005, 05:28 »
Wow nice tips there.

ENEMY TIPS:

Zombies: Kill from a distance to avoid shotgun fire and these guys are simple to take out. Dont worry to much about them, stay away from doors if these guys are near and lure them out because shotty upclose to the face isnt realy a good thing.

Pinky demons: Keep moving and keep your distance, use shotty to kill and slow them down from ever reaching you with knockback. Simple.

Imps: These suck untill about level 6 when you start to get better  levels and also better equipment. Try to stay close with the shotgun so they wont shoot thier fireballs but will try to charge you. 1 shot this close will ususaly take them out. You must hug walls and keep your fronts of battle close and in controlled directions, having to watch for enemies to the north and behind greatly helps. So hug walls to eliminate 1 direction of battle and make things easier. This is how you sneak up on imps so you can shotty them up close. Your second option is to stay far away and attempt to dodge thier fireballs, or take them out before they fireball you. Either way its generaly going to hurt you a bit. So try to use the first method, its harder but saves your behind alot better if you do it right.

Lost souls: no problem for a combat shotty. They usualy come in swarms and can close in on you FAST, they sort of charge like in the original doom. Shoot them and they tend to stop right in front of you or close from the knockback and dont hit you. 1-2 hits take them out. just walk backwards to load a shell, shoot and walk away again to put more space between you and them.

I don't know how to kill the tougher enemies they seem to hard. Ive only killed 4 hell knights before, and i almost died each time. maybe somone could help me there?

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General tactics and logic.

1. Bottlenecks- stand 1 tile to the left of a door that is opened or locked for instance and make sure you cant see to the other side. Wait or fire off a few shots and wait a few turns. let them come through 1 by 1, it makes things 100000x easier for you when only 1 can hit you at a time. Same with corners stay by them and let them turn around it 1-2 at a time.

2. Stay away from containers when near enemies with explosive attacks or spray attacks, or you are using a shotgun. You will die quickly.

3. close all doors in rooms you know are clear so if they open again you know somone is there. This is of course optional and depending on how dangerous things currently are.

4. Don't hoard ammo, it makes you waste time, and i think it might slow you down somehow, I kinda noticed it a little. And theres almost always enough ammo for you to not grab all of the ammo lying around everywhere.

5. Use the weapon selection hotkeys. 1-9 selects weapons like in the original doom. Use them for quick access.

6. Too many monsters in the next room? Fire and hide behind a wall then wait. But dont let some monster flank you from behind, it will force you to move, and if they destroy the wall you are near the monsters on the other side will aggro you too. Not good either way.

7. You will often fight multiple monsters, so prioitze. Is that imp at the edge of your view the most dangerous? or is that former human sergant with a shotty right next to you the most dangerous?.

8. Some people prefer weapons that allow superior mobility and spread for max hits over multiple enemies. I.E. Combat shotty. And some like weapons with superior rate of fire or dmg with long range accuracy. I.E. chaingun or double shotty. Use both for different situations. Bunch of former humans in a group near you? Use shotty to hit the middle one 2 times and they usualy all die. Use chaingun and such for single realy difficult enemies where you are generaly at long range and need to move around in open space.

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Discussion / Tips
« on: October 31, 2005, 03:02 »
Not to double post, but yes, I wouldn't mind compiling a strategy guide :)

cratermaker@charter.net

AIM: Satatik

Just get a hold of me and we can discuss how you want to set it up and what format etc. Then we can proceed on doing a professional version for future releases.

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Discussion / Tips
« on: October 31, 2005, 02:53 »
Not that hard? Pfft, yea right, try having 3 pinky demons rushing you, with a coacodemon 10 squares away, and 1 lost soul charging you with more around the corner and you only have 78% health. Then tell me you can win with a normal shotty and pistol. Rofl I know its possible, you just need to be stealthy, make sure fewer than 3 monsters aggro you.

With a normal shotty you are anchored in 1 place, you move and you cant shoot, you still need to reload, but with the combat shotty, run in a panic and shoot, then do it again. Retreat but still take them out. With a normal one you get killed to easily, you are to stationary.

But in my experience its impossible to outrun the fireballs, but you can dodge them, but it seems 8/10 times the people shooting you with the fireballs shoot at your feet for splash damage and they never go past you.

And Devs, can you please explain the effect of the tactics?

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Discussion / Tips
« on: October 30, 2005, 03:28 »
Place your tips in this thread.

TIPS: Hit tab to set tactics, I usualy have mine on cowardly, don't know the difference but it seems to make your person more carfull. I.E. Blow up a barrel and he moves to dodge it.

SHOTGUNS: They have KNOCKBACK! Pinkydemons are medium speed and can keep your pace. Use the combatshotty to fire and then retreat 1 square to load a shell, then fire again, you will quickly outpace him. Shotguns are easily the best weapons in the game if you use cover properly. Single and double shotty pale in comparason because of combat shottys tactical usefullness.

Save your rocket launchers for later, those baron of hells and hellkngihts are a bitch, often taking more than 3 rockets to kill, while you get 6 fireballs in your face in the process.

TRAITS: The cateye trait is the most important trait you can have, it increases your sight range. With it at its highest level, you can outrange those pasky former human captains and thier pesky chainguns, and see HUGE threats before they supprise YOU.

SOUND: Sound is very important in this game, with all the original doom sounds imported, and with directional relevance, listen.... even stop and hit the '.' button to wait a turn, just to hear the sounds. Listen for strength of sound, direction of sound, and type. If you hear a baron of hells roar real close and to the left a bit, and your near a door... back away... FAST, and hope they don't hear you or open the door.

Clear levels, don't just skip to the next one if its right in front of you. Try to get all the nice weapons.

Always enter the red stairs to go to secret levels. Like hells arena, and the chained court, and..... the WALL (OMFG HARD)

HELLS ARENA: Never enter it unless you have a combat shotty, with usualy 3-5 pinky demons, and 5-7 lost souls, and also 1-2 coacodemons, you better be able to move while shooting, helling dodge and outrange. This is very hard considering its available often just only on the second level....

Chained court: Very simple, grab a berserker pack, OWN PEEPS, gab another to heal to 100% rinse and repeat.

The WALL: OMFG AVOID UNLESS UBER EXPERIENCED. comes at around level 7-15 this is a very deadly place. When you enter there you are outside in a hellish area, with a wall in the distance covered in blood gore limbs and pools of blood below with the screams of hell knights in the distance... multiple ones... At first theres no way for them to get to you, but with a rocket launcher that can be solved quickly... Blow open the wall about 4 times, they will rush out. Almost 100% of the time completely owning you. 2 hell knights and 1 baron of hell I saw...

Phase devices: save these and use when in a SOL situation. But it may just put you right back into one.

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